Deep Bench

Hello!

A*

you.

New One

Online and Active! (in the last 5 min)
There are currently 9 users and 17 guests online.

Online users

MMRules
CharlieNine
dr
Nicky Rose
Alice
Nobody
dada
drshatterhand
Crank Bait

_____________

drshatterhand?

I's a-bilin' to know how that name come about.

If it's Saturday, it's football!
Submitted by GBC on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 3:28pm.
Off to the game.

Going to watch my Utes get creamed by UCLA. Should be fun.

Oy vey... this is going to be a very looooong season.

toodles~
*******
Coach Dorrell Gotta Go!!
Ben Olson's a Poser!!
UCLA looks like a JV team today!
34-7 4th quarter comeback?Not Likely.*&^%$#^*#!!

Now how are My Longhorns doing?
Ah.......They Won! But,barely 35-32.. :)
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

that is if you'd like to characterize it thusly...

or something.

Take That Freakshofar on the Road!

sounds like an accident involving a hammer, excrement, or both.

Take That Freakshofar on the Road!

Is Keyes Jewish?

Ouy Vey.Sammy !!
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Hiyas Sammy...

I shaved...lost weight...and you got fat and hairy...NICE!

Missed you too bud...

Hey!

Submitted by Nicky Rose on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 8:17pm.
Take That Freakshofar on the Road!

Is Keyes Jewish?

_____________

No, but perhaps Lieberman can exhume Sammy Davis Jr.?

No, but perhaps Lieberman can exhume Sammy Davis Jr.?

You are a mindreader.

Submitted by Nicky Rose on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 8:22pm.
No, but perhaps Lieberman can exhume Sammy Davis Jr.?

You are a mindreader.

________________

Yes, but I use my powers for good.

Now get off you-porn.

(Wait a minnit, that didn't come out right.)

returned...I guess not. Ghost in the machine. Or something.

Nice blogging with y'all. I will be back. Refreshed and ready to go.

♡*

turn your head and cough please...

Off the top of my introspective head, I think the desire to say something to you(to n), but not knowing what to say, led to searching deeper into the reasons why I didn't know what to say, and why I didn't have anything to say.

I also suspect that having played music with you(n) has something to do with a certain connection I feel towards him.

I don't think I can go any further into detail now, here.

Will Bunch, Attytood

The neocon link to the ABC News scandal

As predicted yesterday, the scandal over disgraced ex-ABC News consultant Alexis Debat continues to spin out of control, with major implications for the way that Americans have been getting their news about the flashpoints that could determine war or peace in the Persian Gulf and South Asia.
[...]
more at:
motherjones.com
update:
disgraced_abc_consultant

Times Online

AMERICA’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.

In his long-awaited memoir, to be published tomorrow, Greenspan, a Republican whose 18-year tenure as head of the US Federal Reserve was widely admired, will also deliver a stinging critique of President George W Bush’s economic policies.

However, it is his view on the motive for the 2003 Iraq invasion that is likely to provoke the most controversy. “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says......

Free Democracy

LET IT BE!

Keyes is a purrfek candidate to round out their bunch. Please let it be.

While it is clear that the trend towards online news has led to diminishing returns for print publications, it is extremely shortsighted to ignore the death-grip that corporate and bureaucratic cronyism have over today’s beleaguered journalists. To Keen’s contention that it is the Internet that is destroying our culture, I must disagree. When runaway capitalism and politics collude in our newsrooms, we can expect a fascist pamphleteering campaign waiting on our doorsteps each morning. The same oppressive forces beset our musicians and artists, whose opportunities for renown have until recently been strictly doled out by self-interested businessmen. Our greatest hope may be that the spirit of creativity and objective thought finds a new home online, where the halls of power shrink against the expansive web of a connected world.

http://www.realitysandwich.com/node/506

I don't think that it's the music that connects but I have made a buttload of progress sitting in the woods on the accoustic...

Got excited when some campers down the road had a battery powered amp and in their drunken state called me "great"...Nothing like a little ego pump to reignite that fire.

Free Democracy

Submitted by Nobody on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 8:25pm.
turn your head and cough please...

___________________

I guess I were thirty 'n Rose were inna sweat for me to get a physical.

I ain't never been one for doctors 'less there's a pressin' need, but I assented.

Doc sez: "Pull down yer pants 'n stand next to the table."

OK, thinks I, not havin' the first clue what he was on about.

Snap! goes one rubber glove, then snap! goes a second.

Hmm, thinks I, I ain't likin' the sound a this.

Then I feels me some cool jelly bein' rubbed round my bung.

Sez I: "Doc, you best tell me what yer on about b/c I ain't sure just where this is goin'."

Sez he: "Evidently you never hadda prostate exam before?"

Evidently I hadn't.

________________

Yes, but I use my powers for good.

________________

Y'all r scarin' me.

Alan Greenspan claims Iraq war was really for oil

Submitted by Kevin © on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 8:29pm.

However, it is his view on the motive for the 2003 Iraq invasion that is likely to provoke the most controversy. “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says......

__________

Wow.

Ayn Rand-lovin' Uncle Alan is a dirty fuckin' hippie.

Who knew?

IIRC...
Submitted by Liberal-at-large on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 8:18pm.
--[Madelaine Albright] challenged the general:

"What's the point of having this superb military that you're always talking about if we can't use it?"

*

Albright was always a little jealous of Maggie Thatcher's monicker:

The Iron Lady.

And as far as that goes, Maddie A. was a pol/diplomat & never wore the uniform.

Though to take small issue w/ crankie's thesis, terrible numbers of troops were lost at the outset of WWII 'cause of our (lack of) military preparednes. [IMHO,] that level of preparedness should be a happy medium 'tween Pearl Harbor & Richard Perle.

*

dr: Old school "selfish" conservatives are "simply left behind" types to the hard GOP'ers hereabouts. We lefties (the few that exist) call 'em fiscal democrats. : )

more like back psychobench...

is he kidding? now?! what a tool.

crank, you should hear the japanese pronounce asshole, almost exactly the same as aso. which is fitting.

the TV is now on a rugby game and the portuguese just lost to new zealand 110 to 13, or something like that. too sad to watch.

hello all you old men...and dada ; ) and of course all the women.

where to you go to find the right idealogue to fill that objective journalist slot?

thinktanx-R-us?

The John Bolton Fanclub newsletter?

Eschatology Monthly want ads/personals?

monster.com?

UCLA looks like a JV team today!
34-7 4th quarter comeback?Not Likely.*&^%$#^*#!!

*

Charley's gonna be hoarse & severly hung over. *snark*

[Yeah, and I took the Utes & the points. : ) ]

EPU'ed

Submitted by Liberal-at-large on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 8:18pm.

dr: Old school "selfish" conservatives are "simply left behind" types to the hard GOP'ers hereabouts. We lefties (the few that exist) call 'em fiscal democrats. : )

______________

"Left Behind" types? I.e. PMDs? Really?

I allus thought of rapture-rightist PMDs as up for anything that'd bring the world to an end, just so long's it's delivered by the reactionary right.

Otherwise they'd just as soon join a militia.

When I thinks of the brood Galbraith's a-citin', I thinks of the Barry Goldwater fan-boys of the world.

(I.e. the Pat "Paleo-'n-proud" Buchanans of the world.)

aka 9/11

Can you believe he was also a musician?

***

Not a huge fan, but thank GODDESS he has the 'balls' to write the obvious in his book.

Ayn Rand-lovin' Uncle Alan is a dirty fuckin' hippie.

Submitted by Catharine on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 8:56pm.

... Not a huge fan, but thank GODDESS he has the 'balls' to write the obvious in his book.

_____________

Four long years after it makes any earthly differnce, balls might be overstating the case.

Can we agree on Uncle Alan bein' a truth-tellin' grape-smuggler inna Speedo?

in this issue:

Planning that Perfect End of the World Party

Can't We All Just Not Get Along?

10 Secrets to The Second Coming Your Messiah Doesn't Think You Know About

Border Skirmishes for Every Occasion

Man of the Month: "Hottub Tom" Delay
Hot Centerfold Enclosed

Americans remain astonished with what happened to us on 9/11, yet we remain relatively ignorant and dispassionate about an unconscionable amount of death and destruction which routinely occurs elsewhere.

Although Iraqis had nothing to do with the terrorist attack in the United States on 9/11, Americans are directly and indirectly responsible for a considerable amount of the devastation which has occurred and is occuring daily in Iraq. How much time and thought have we given to the deaths and suffering of more than a million people?

Online and Active! (in the last 5 min)
There are currently 7 users and 14 guests online.

Online users

dr
pee.ey.yoo.el
mm
Sunshine Jim
allie
bibimimi
jenise

______________

pee.ey.yoo.el

This mean "paul"?

the first sentence in this article looks awfully strange...

Deep flaws in Afghan peace drive

By M K Bhadrakumar

This might look like the finest hour in the foreign-policy record of the George W Bush administration. Officials from Washington are camping in the leafy US Embassy compound in Islamabad, painstakingly putting together a new power structure for Pakistan.

Yet the international community doesn't say a word about "unilateralism" or international law or interventionism. It is hard to imagine we are living in a "multipolar" world.

What is unfolding in Pakistan could have been enacted in any of the banana republics in Latin America in which US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte served as ambassador in the Cold War.

yes. new paul, or as he prefers, just 'paul'

u 2 snorky boy.

gonna rent a flat in B'ham?

shoulda seen the ol mans face when he glommed on to "The Gibson" and saw it in one piece again...

was sweet... wayyyy sweet.

"self-righteously complacent"

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 9:02pm.

... How much time and thought have we given to the deaths and suffering of more than a million people [in Iraq]?

_________________

Taking the atrios line of simple answers to simple questions:

Apart from a small group a 'Murican folks, virtually none.

Of either.

dr: Four long years after it makes any earthly differnce, balls might be overstating the case.

Can we agree on Uncle Alan bein' a truth-tellin' grape-smuggler inna Speedo?

***

As soon as it slipped out, and *click* I knew I shoulda rewritten that to say, way too little too late, Aso.

just paul ... lol ... the new paul

Haven't been around much lately and haven't chimed in in ages, but hi blog.

-paul

Submitted by jenise on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 8:50pm.
...crank, you should hear the japanese pronounce asshole, almost exactly the same as aso. which is fitting...
--------------
I suppose that it's too much to hope that Fukuda is pronounced like a Brooklynite would say "Fuck, you de (fill in blank)" so that my headline

--Fukuda, Aso Launch Negative Campaigns--

has a nice ring to it?

Bibi! You are on fire, grrl!

good to read ya!

welcome back. troll boy says they have complete control of the blog!

maybe he'll give us new threads more often.

I really do take it back. Completely.
new
Submitted by Catharine on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 9:06pm.
dr: Four long years after it makes any earthly differnce, balls might be overstating the case.

Can we agree on Uncle Alan bein' a truth-tellin' grape-smuggler inna Speedo?

***

As soon as it slipped out, and *click* I knew I shoulda rewritten that to say, way too little too late, Aso.

________________

I warn't tryin' to indict yer judgment on the inestimable judgment of Uncle Alan.

If you took it that way, I apologize. Warn't my intent.

fwiw, I'ma glad he said it.

Damn few of us is courageous when called upon (perhaps I'd quail myself, who knows?; I ain't claimin' no high ground here), and it takes a goddamn long time before folks girds up their loins 'n just sez what ever'body knows.

It's like Orwell sez: "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

Good to see you again.

we shined on the camp out and went for reading the paper and naps!

(yawn, stretch! felt good!)

dr and Catharine,

For months (or longer) I have neglected to make a comprehensive list of government servants who have bad-mouthed the Bush administration. It would necessarily be a work in progress since folks like Greenspan pop up every few weeks.

I often think about it when Gare is busy being an ass. The list is a very long one. I can always remember between a dozen and two dozen big-league names but I know that there are three times that, at least.

If anyone sees such a list of names and their years of service (and administrations served) along with their job titles, please let me know.

I figure that Richard Clarke was #3 or so and Greenspan is the latest.

"10 Secrets to The Second Coming Your Messiah Doesn't Think You Know About"

"way too little too late, Aso."

much better start to my day than rugby!

crank, yes, it's foo-koo-da. i always think of it as how a scotsman says fuck you, but then again i get my accents mixed up easily. your headline works for me. sure you don't want to visit kyoto right about now? at least until this campaign is settled?

But I was hidden!

Evening all!!!

Reading like the old MRR blog. Good

The Roster Of Shame

Submitted by Crank Bait on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 9:19pm.

... If anyone sees such a list of names and their years of service (and administrations served) along with their job titles, please let me know.

I figure that Richard Clarke was #3 or so and Greenspan is the latest.

_______________

Just for the sake-a curiosity, let's start one.

Only stipulation: They gotta be "conservatives" or national-security apostates in some way, not Michael "surge whore" O'Hanlon liberal-hawks.

I'll throw a couple Bush-crickets out there and feel free to pile on:

Francis Fukuyama
Bruce Bartlett
former Mich. governor Wm. Milliken
former President H.W. Bush
Richard Clarke
Uncle Alan Greenspan
Pat Buchanan
Wm. F. Buckley
Anthony Cordesman (man is he ever)
Gen. Shinseki
Gen. Casey
Gen. Odom
Baker-Hamilton commish members

"Proud to be a 'Murican, where at least I knows I'm freeeee!"
Submitted by dr on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 9:05pm.
-------------
I suspect that you have a passable singing voice, owing to your fondness for theater.

But when you use the literary device like the one you used above, I hear an awful, off-key and straining crackle.

Don't spoil it for me.

Sadr group quits Iraq ruling bloc
The political movement loyal to radical Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr has withdrawn from Iraq's governing Shia alliance.
The move deprives Prime Minister Nouri Maliki's coalition of 30 votes - leaving it in control of about half the seats in parliament.

The decision, announced at a news conference in the holy city of Najaf, comes five months after Mr Sadr pulled out his ministers from the cabinet.

The group has complained that Mr Maliki has not consulted them over decisions.

Other grievances voiced in the past by the Sadr bloc include their call - ignored by the prime minister - for a timetable for the withdrawal of US-led forces from Iraq.

In August, the main Sunni alliance also withdrew from the Iraqi cabinet, which currently has 17 ministers - with 23 other portfolios left unfilled.

'Demands not met'

Nouri Maliki became prime minister largely because of Mr Sadr's support, so the latest move is a significant development, but not necessarily a crisis, says the BBC's Hugh Sykes, in Baghdad.

Despite being in a precarious position, Mr Maliki should be able to stay in power with support from other groups.

While there has been no official explanation of the timing of the announcement, our correspondent says Mr Sadr may be worried about continuing to support a government that is so close to the Americans.

Mr Sadr supporters have also been unhappy with Mr Maliki's moves to allow former members of Saddam Hussein's regime back into the administration, our correspondent says.

In a statement made in Najaf, the Sadr group said: "The political committee has declared the withdrawal of the Sadr bloc from the alliance because there was no visible indication that the demands of Sadr's bloc were being met."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6996942.stm

tonid, it does read like old times, doesn't it? are you feeling alright these days?

sunshine, naps and reading sound great. i'd like to spend my sunday that way, but have a wedding to go to tonight.

crank, i know you have a TV with rabbit ears and all, but if you can find "flight of the conchords" on HBO... i saw a couple of episodes in the states this time and kept thinking of you. in the first episode, a guy trying to pick up a woman sings to her, "you're so beautiful you could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job"

Jenise: "hello all you old men"

*

I resemble that remark! : )

*waves*

Oh, & for the purpose of that post's header...

...wait for it...you can call me Al. *snark*

Paul fuckin' O'Neil, fer chrissakes.

Add former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill to the list. I think that he was the first to exit the Bush administration and speak out against it.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Several thousand protesters marched Saturday from the White House to the Capitol to demand an end to the Iraq war, and at least 160 people were arrested when they jumped a barricade at the foot of the Capitol steps.
Many of the protesters were arrested without a struggle after they jumped over the waist-high barricade. But some grew angry as police attempted to push them back using large shields. At least two people were showered with chemical spray. Protesters responded by throwing signs and chanting: "Shame on you."

The arrests came after protesters initially decided to lay down on the Capitol lawn with signs on top of their bodies to represent soldiers killed in Iraq. When police took no action, some of the protesters decided to start climbing over the barricade.

Before arriving at the Capitol lawn, the demonstrators marched on Pennsylvania Avenue holding banners and signs and saying, "What do we want? Troops out. When do we want it? Now."

Counterprotesters lined the sidewalks behind metal barricades. There were some heated shouting matches between the two sides.

The protesters gathered earlier Saturday near the White House in Lafayette Park with signs saying "End the war now" and calling for President Bush's impeachment. The rally was organized by the ANSWER Coalition and other groups.

Organizers estimated that more than 100,000 people attended the rally and march. That number could not be confirmed; police did not give their own estimate. But there appeared to be tens of thousands of people in attendance, and the march stretched along multiple blocks of Pennsylvania Avenue.

Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan told the crowd is was time to be assertive.

"It's time to lay our bodies on the line and say we've had enough," she said. "It's time to shut this city down."

Army veteran Justin Cliburn, 25, of Lawton, Okla., was among a contingent of Iraq veterans in attendance.

"We're occupying a people who do not want us there," Cliburn said of Iraq. "We're here to show that it isn't just a bunch of old hippies from the 60s who are against this war."

About 13 blocks away, nearly 1,000 counterprotesters gathered near the Washington Monument, frequently erupting in chants of "U-S-A" and waving American flags.

Retired Air Force Lt. Col. Robert "Buzz" Patterson, speaking from a stage to crowds clad in camouflage, American flag bandanas and Harley Davidson jackets, said he wanted to send three messages.

"Congress, quit playing games with our troops. Terrorists, we will find you and kill you," he said. "And to our troops, we're here for you, and we support you."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-15-war-protest_N.htm?csp=34

John fuckin' DiIulio, he of the Mayberry Machiavellis formulation.

now yer just pilin' on
Submitted by dr on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 9:39pm.
Paul fuckin' O'Neil, fer chrissakes.

---------

Paul O'Neill
Submitted by Crank Bait on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 9:40pm.
Add former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill to the list. I think that he was the first to exit the Bush administration and speak out against it.

______________

Guess I am I mind-reader.

No wonder I gotta banish alla them dirty thoughts alla time.

"you're so beautiful you could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job"
----------
I have read or heard that line and some more like it. I must have read or heard an interview with someone associated with the HBO show?

It comes from the humor school of "For a fat girl you don't sweat much" backhanded compliments.

dr: "Guess I am I mind-reader."
-----------
(The post-editing clock is running.)

I can hear Bush now when he meets him "Fuck You Dude"

Former judge Michael Mukasey top AG pick. AMERICAblog notes that CNN is reporting that Michael Mukasey appears to be the administration’s top pick to replace Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General. Mukasey is a former federal judge who “presided over many high-profile trials, including that of Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 11 co-defendants, who were charged with plotting to destroy New York City landmarks.”

UPDATE: Mukasey also issued the first ruling in the Jose Padilla case after 9/11. While he ruled that “President Bush did have the authority to hold Mr. Padilla as an enemy combatant without charging him for a crime,” he also “ruled that the government must allow Mr. Padilla to see his attorneys.”

UPDATE II: Mukasey is an adviser to Rudy Guiliani’s presidential campaign.

UPDATE III: AP reports that some conservatives are already “drafting a strategy to oppose him.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/15/fmr-federal-judge-michael-mukasey-to...

there's no direct link, but you can get a word or pdf file here. it's from volume 5I, issue 15.

WATERTOWN, N.Y.-- About 50 people attended a September 1 send-off party for soldiers with a September 5 date for deployment to Iraq. The event was held at the Different Drummer Café, a GI coffeehouse here, and organized by the Fort Drum chapter of Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW).

Soldiers, veterans and antiwar activists spent the evening discussing the state of the struggle against the war and listening to musical performances.

Several people also joined the IVAW that night as they walked in the storefront.

Overall, the event gave a sense of the great potential of GI resistance.

As one IVAW member who is deploying in a few days put it, “One or two soldiers can be squashed if they resist. What it’s going to take is a whole battalion to resist the war.”

Pronounced FOO-koo-da? ///

Submitted by Kevin © on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 9:46pm.

I can hear Bush now when he meets him "Fuck You Dude"

_____________

It's prime, no doubt, but don't nothin' beat this bit for world-leader pun-fun:

Hu's on first?"

Condi: "Kofi?"

Jr.: "OK, cream 'n two sugars."

Hurry

Submitted by Crank Bait on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 9:46pm.

dr: "Guess I am I mind-reader."
-----------
(The post-editing clock is running.)

____________

Hurry? Why?

Like Jr., I is looked into yer soul 'n I can launch a mind-readin' attack at a date 'n time a my choosin', buddy.

Albright: Bush ‘must think we’re all idiots.’ Yesterday in Iowa, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said that Iraq will “go down in history as the greatest disaster in American foreign policy. That means that I am acknowledging it is worse than Vietnam.” She added, “I don’t think I have ever seen the world in such a mess.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/15/albright-bush-must-think-were-all-id...

"Left Behind" types? I.e. PMDs? Really?

*

Bad choice of words. Didn't connect the dots between the rapturists & what I was tryin' to say.

The new hardline gop'er consevatives around here view the old school Goldwater cons as unable to keep up w/ the new Rovian wingers. They view 'em as "left behind."

L@L,
I posted a response to you on the tail of the previous thread. It's too tedious for general consumption.
-------
(I wonder how many petty Anonymous readers are scurrying over to the last thread in a fruitless attempt to gather some gossipy ammo?)

What about Colin Powell's assistant. Forgot his name.

dr:
new
Submitted by Liberal-at-large on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 9:57pm.
"Left Behind" types? I.e. PMDs? Really?

*

Bad choice of words. Didn't connect the dots between the rapturists & what I was tryin' to say.

The new hardline gop'er consevatives around here view the old school Goldwater cons as unable to keep up w/ the new Rovian wingers. They view 'em as "left behind."

____________

I see.

Yes, that makes much more sense.

The politics-trumps-principles crowd.

(As Barry Goldwater spins in his grave.)

I mean, c'mon. How'z'a young Republican to get on in the world today if he ain't willin' to imitate a true-believin' Trotskyite?

After all, a horse's-ass justifies a horse's-means.

Larry Wilkerson, toni.

Well done.

The Roster Of Shame
Submitted by Crank Bait on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 9:19pm
*******
Been googling like crazy for about 45mins.
But,no luck!Sorry!
I'd like to see that list too! :)

.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I ain't done nothin' but natter on like an blitherin' idiot for a coupla.

I is gonna go feed my face.

Night, owls.

I guess I would be on "the" other side, then. LOL.
(but I was the clasic "poor starving student" and "they" HAD to take me. HAHAHA
( due to auditions and "panels" Mwah HaHa.) ;)

$2 billion withdrawn, 30% stock crash by British mortgage lender
by Chris in Paris · 9/15/2007 11:00:00 AM ET

The real estate bubble is bursting and it's not pretty. Just as the GOP has some explaining to do concerning their blatant disregard for basic economic fundamentals, the British Labour government and Gordon Brown ought to explain why they thought "easy money" was such a good idea now that everything is falling apart so quickly and violently. Considering how connected banking has become in recent years it has been obvious that problems in one country, especially a country as large as the US, could trigger problems in other countries.
Branches of Northern Rock were besieged by savers yesterday as fears grew in the City that the Bank of England rescue package for Britain's fifth-biggest mortgage lender could herald a slide in house prices and further financial collapses.

Amid news that property prices were already falling sharply before the Bank's first use of its lender-of-last-resort facility in more than 30 years, the Newcastle-based Northern Rock was forced to keep branches open late to allow savers access to their money. By last night it was reported a total of £1bn had been withdrawn.

Customers ignored reassurances from the chancellor, Alistair Darling, the British Bankers Association and Northern Rock itself that funds were safe.

In the first real test of internet banking, websites at Northern Rock and many other banks crashed as savers tried to access their accounts. Police had to be called to a branch in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, when a couple barricaded the manager in her office when she refused to let them withdraw their £1m savings.

Shares in Northern Rock fell more than 30% yesterday, dragging the stock market down. With speculation other mortgage lenders were at risk, the FTSE 100 index closed down more than 1%. A sharp drop in shares of buy-to-let lender Paragon Mortgages made it issue a statement that it had no need to resort to the Bank of England, while Bradford & Bingley and Alliance & Leicester denied they had problems.

http://www.americablog.com/2007/09/2-billion-withdrawn-30-stock-crash-by...

*Senator Hagel
*Paul O'Neill--Treasury Secretary
Francis Fukuyama
Bruce Bartlett
former Mich. governor Wm. Milliken
former President H.W. Bush
Richard Clarke
Uncle Alan Greenspan
Pat Buchanan
Wm. F. Buckley
Anthony Cordesman (man is he ever)
Gen. Shinseki
Gen. Casey
Gen. Odom
Baker-Hamilton commish members

dr, what about george will?

crank, never underestimate the power of a trite joke sung like barry white, right?

i have to get going. good to see you guys again.

also, i start teaching a seminar on "alternative media and society" in november. if you have any favorite blogs, etc. you think i might've overlooked, please let me know.

*Larry Wilkerson (title? Powell's assistant)
*Colin Powell
Senator Hagel
Paul O'Neill--Treasury Secretary
Francis Fukuyama
Bruce Bartlett
former Mich. governor Wm. Milliken
former President H.W. Bush
Richard Clarke
Uncle Alan Greenspan
Pat Buchanan
Wm. F. Buckley
Anthony Cordesman (man is he ever)
Gen. Shinseki
Gen. Casey
Gen. Odom
Baker-Hamilton commish members

Michael Scheuer?

Christine Todd Whitman?

I need to feed mine also, maybe later, cuz I am up during the "cool/dark" times. ;)
...and I even signed in. teehee

Start a list on an open Mic and let people add to it.

is a reeepeet. I know I saw his name on dat list b4.

John Cole?

I'll send you an email

*Michael Scheuer--CIA bin Laden/terrorism expert
*Pat Buchanan--Pundit
*George Will--Pundit
Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson--Chief of Staff (Powell)
Colin Powell--Secretary of State
Senator Chuck Hagel--Senior Senator R. Nebraska
Paul O'Neill--Treasury Secretary
Francis Fukuyama--PNAC Charter member
Bruce Bartlett
Governor Wm. Milliken--Former R. Gov. Michigan
President George H.W. Bush--President #41
Richard Clarke
Uncle Alan Greenspan
Pat Buchanan
Wm. F. Buckley--pundit
Anthony Cordesman (man is he ever)
Gen. Shinseki
Gen. Casey
Gen. Odom
Baker-Hamilton commish members

Andrew "Fifth Column" Sullivan

---------

Yes, goddammit, it's me.

I is experiencin' that phenomenon a body goes thru when he or she visits then leaves a DVD store.

-- dr

A run on the Bank in England
Submitted by toniD on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:12pm.
$2 billion withdrawn, 30% stock crash by British mortgage lender
by Chris in Paris · 9/15/2007 11:00:00 AM ET

That was read and debated a bit yesterday (or what day is this, since I work at night)

; however, "REPETITION IS THE KEY" ;)
YEA!

Hillary fucking Clinton?

(she's a toughie; think the jury's still out on her)

John Edwards is hadda come-to-Jesus moment, I reckon.

"I only know that there are Dick Cheney's among us who will use whatever we give them whether it is necessary or not."

As do I. It's why when chickenhawks (of any ideological stripe) are in power, they're dangerous.

And why I said:

"The level of preparedness should be a happy medium 'tween Pearl Harbor & Richard Perle."

To restate my (horrible) metaphor, we are in agreement: The more "prepared" (& funded) our military is, the more apt a raving neocon (or neolib) will abuse it.

Nor do I want our military to revert back to muskets & shot, either.

Dollar's retreat raises fear of collapse

By Carter Dougherty
Published: September 13, 2007

FRANKFURT: Finance ministers and central bankers have long fretted that at some point, the rest of the world would lose its willingness to finance the United States' proclivity to consume far more than it produces - and that a potentially disastrous free-fall in the dollar's value would result.

But for longer than most economists would have been willing to predict a decade ago, the world has been a willing partner in American excess - until a new and home-grown financial crisis this summer rattled confidence in the country, the world's largest economy.

On Thursday, the dollar briefly fell to another low against the euro of $1.3927, as a slow decline that has been under way for months picked up steam this past week.

"This is all pointing to a greatly increased risk of a fast unwinding of the U.S. current account deficit and a serious decline of the dollar," said Kenneth Rogoff, a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund and an expert on exchange rates. "We could finally see the big kahuna hit."

In addition to increased nervousness about the pace of the dollar's decline, many currency analysts now also are willing to make an argument they would have avoided as recently as a few years ago: that the euro should bear the brunt of the dollar's decline.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/13/news/econ.php

Tell you what doesn't count as critics or apostates, fo' my money:

Them motherfuckers like Richard Perle 'n Wm. Kristol what think our glorious invasion of Iraq was an anointed ideer from heaven on high, just that dear leader fucked it all up for 'em.

"Let's try it again in Iran, and *this* time, if ever'one just lissens to me, we'll WIN!"

Fucking pointy-headed amoral bastards.

*

L@L: "Nor do I want our military to revert back to muskets & shot, either."
-----------
There's not much chance of that. Like, zero. I don't harbor much hope that there will be anything other than increases in defense expenditures.

Since hardware and technology is what gets Pentagon and politico rocks off, I don't harbor much hope that the increases will improve the lot of the rank and file nor its readiness, either.

I don't think that you and I agree on the need for readiness for a nebulous and phantom threat. Defense spending didn't do shit for protecting the nation on 9/11. The only success on that day was launched by civilians on an airplane.

I also believe that economic security and international goodwill is every bit as important as military security; maybe more so. We are willingly fattening the coffers of China...as if China can't use our cash to build its own military strength.

The schizophrenia astounds me.

A very TRUE Fear . ...and people in America refuse to "see" aka "For What It's Worth." B.S.

Dollar's retreat raises fear
new
Submitted by toniD on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:43pm.
Dollar's retreat raises fear of collapse

By Carter Dougherty
Published: September 13, 2007

FRANKFURT: Finance ministers and central bankers have long fretted that at some point, the rest of the world would lose its willingness to finance the United States' proclivity to consume far more than it produces - and that a potentially disastrous free-fall in the dollar's value would result. (cont) see above for LINK

Gen. Wesley Clarke endorses Hillary Clinton
By: John Amato @ 7:02 PM - PDT The Fix:

In the midst of what promises to be an extended back and forth between Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) over the war in Iraq, the Democratic frontrunner rolled out an endorsement from retired General and 2004 presidential candidate Wesley Clark today.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/15/gen-wesley-clarke-endorses-hill...

THINGS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO SAY WHEN DRUNK:
1. Innovative
2. Preliminary
3. Proliferation
4. Cinnamon

THINGS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY WHEN DRUNK:
1. Specificity
2. Anti-constitutionalistically
3. Passive-aggressive disorder
4. Transubstantiate

THINGS THAT ARE DOWNRIGHT IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY WHEN DRUNK:
1. Thanks, but I don't want to have sex.
2. Nope, no more booze for me!
3. Sorry, but you're not really my type.
4. Taco Bell? No thanks, I'm not hungry.
5. Good evening, officer. Isn't it lovely out tonight?
6. Oh, I couldn't! No one wants to hear me sing karaoke.
7. I'm not interested in fighting you.
8. Thank you, but I won't make any attempt to dance, I have no
coordination. I'd hate to look like a fool!
9. Where is the nearest bathroom? I refuse to pee in this
parking lot or on the side of the road.
10. I must be going home now, as I have to work in the morning.

i can't believe i supported him and this is the eventual outcome.
*
hillary is just gwb in a skirt

shit, its even harder to type

Man, I can see the guy & can't think of his name.

Head CIA field spook, European ops, been on KO a dozrn times. Made a big splash when he first came out on 60 Minutes about poo-pooing the connections between the 911 hijackers & al Queda supposedly meeting in Czeckoslovakia.

Help me, Rhonda!

A man met a beautiful lady and he decided he wanted to marry her right away.

She protested, "But we don't know anything about each other."

He replied, "That's all right; we'll learn about each other as we go along."

So she consented, and they were married, and went on a honeymoon to a very nice resort.

One morning, they were lying by the pool when he got up off his towel, climbed up to the 10 meter board and did a two and a half tuck gainer, entering the water perfectly, almost without a ripple.

This was followed by a three rotations in jackknife position before he again straightened out and cut the water like a knife.

After a few more demonstrations, he came back and lay down on his towel.

She said, "That was incredible!"

He said, "I used to be an Olympic diving champion. You see, I told you we'd learn more about ourselves as we went along."

So she got up, jumped in the pool and started doing laps. She was moving so fast that the froth from her pushing off at one end of the pool would hardly be gone before she was already touching the other end of the pool. She did laps in free-style, breast stroke, even the butterfly! After about thirty laps, completed in mere minutes, she climbed back out and lay down on her towel, barely breathing hard.

He said, "That was incredible! Were you an Olympic endurance swimmer?"

"No, she said, 'I was a hooker in Memphis and I worked both sides of the Mississippi River."

Iraqi Gov’t tells the U.S. to take some responsibilty for this mess
By: John Amato @ 6:10 PM - PDT Looks like sombedy is tired of constantly being blamed for all the problems in Iraq:

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi lawmakers said on Saturday that Washington should take responsibility for the turmoil in Iraq and stop blaming Baghdad, Iran and Syria. Frustrated by criticism from the United States over their slow progress towards political goals meant to foster national reconciliation, Iraqi leaders said Washington would be better served by examining its own progress in the unpopular war.

“The Americans always try to pretend the responsibility for cleaning up this mess isn’t theirs and tend to shift blame onto Iraq, Iran and Syria for everything that goes wrong,” said veteran Kurdish lawmaker Mahmoud Othman.

Take that William the Bloody!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/15/iraqi-govt-tells-the-us-to-take...

An Irish girl went to London to work as a secretary and began sending home money and gifts to her parents. After a few years they asked her to come home for a visit, as her elderly father was getting frail and very hard of hearing.

She pulled up to the family home in a Rolls Royce and stepped out wearing diamonds and a full-length fur coat. As she walked into the house her father said, "Hmmm--they seem to be paying secretaries awfully well in London these days."

The girl took his hands and said "Dad--I've been meaning to tell you something for years but I didn't want to put it in a letter. Obviously I can't hide it from you any longer. I've become a
prostitute."

Her father gasped, put his hand on his chest and keeled over. The doctor was called but the old man had clearly lost the will to live. He was put to bed and the priest was called.

As the priest administered the Last Rites with the mother and daughter weeping and wailing nearby, the old man muttered weakly, "I'm a goner--killed by my own daughter! Killed by the shame of what she's become!"

"Please forgive me," his daughter sobbed, "I only wanted to have nice things! I wanted to send you money and the only way I could do it was by becoming a prostitute."

Brushing the priest aside, the old man sat bolt upright in bed, smiling.

"Did you say PROSTITUTE ?? I thought you said PROTESTANT!!

The man and the little boy entered a barbershop together.

After the man received the full treatment - shave, shampoo, manicure, haircut, etc. - he placed the boy in the chair.

"I'm going to buy a green tie to wear for the parade," he said.

"I'll be back in a few minutes."

When the boy's haircut was completed and the man still hadn't returned, the barber said, "Looks like your daddy's forgotten all about you."

"That wasn't my daddy," said the boy. "He just walked up, took me by the hand and said, 'Come on, lad, we're gonna get a free haircut!'"

Kevin,
This one is stolen from Tina Faye: Rural jury.
--------
(Put a rural jury on a toy boat and you're sunk.)

A successful rancher died and left everything to
his devoted wife. She was a very good looking
woman, and determined to keep the ranch, but knew
very little about ranching, so she decided to place
an ad in the newspaper for a ranch hand.

Two men applied for the job. One was gay and the
other a drunk. She thought long and hard about it,
and when no one else applied, she decided to hire
the gay guy, figuring it would be safer to have
him around the house than the drunk.

He proved to be a hard worker who put in long
hours every day and knew a lot about ranching. For
weeks, the two of them worked, and the ranch was
doing very well.

Then one day, the rancher's widow said to the
hired hand, "You have done a really good job and the
ranch looks great. You should go into town and kick
up your heels."

The hired hand readily agreed and
went into town one Saturday night. However, one
o'clock came and he didn't return. Two o'clock and
no hired hand. He returned around two-thirty and
found the rancher's widow sitting by the fireplace.
She quietly called him over to her.

"Unbutton my blouse and take it off," she said.

Trembling, he did as she directed.

"Now take off my boots."

He did so, slowly.

"Now take off my socks."

He did.

"Now take off my skirt."

He did.

"Now take off my bra."

Again with trembling hands he did as he was told.

Now," she said, "take off my panties."

He slowly pulled them down and off.

Then she looked at him and said, "If you ever wear my clothes to town again, I'll fire you on the spot."

L@L: "Help me, Rhonda!"
---------
If you are thinking of Michael Scheuer, he's on the list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iBWXSadpXA

In the days of the Wild West, there was a young cowboy who wanted more than anything to be the greatest gunfighter in the world. He practiced every minute of his spare time, but he knew that he wasn't yet first-rate and that there must be something he was doing wrong.

Sitting in a saloon one Saturday night, he recognized an elderly man seated at the bar who had the reputation of being the fastest gun in the West in his day.

The young cowboy took the seat next to the old-timer, bought him a drink, and told him the story of his great ambition. "Do you think you could give me some tips?" he asked.

The old man looked him up and down and said, "Well, for one thing you're wearing your gun too high. Tie the holster a lil' lower down on your leg."

"Will that make me a better gunfighter?" asked the young man.

"Sure will." said the old-timer.

The young man did as he was told, stood up, whipped out his .44 and shot the bow tie off the piano player.

"That's terrific!" said the cowboy, "Got any more tips for me?"

"Yep," said the old man. "Cut a notch out of your holster where the hammer hits it. That'll give you a smoother draw."

"Will that make me a better gunfighter?" asked the younger man.

"You bet it will," said the old-timer.

The young man took out his knife, cut the notch, stood up, drew his gun in a blur, then shot a cufflink off the piano player.

"Wow!" said the cowboy. "I'm learning' somethin' here. Got any more tips?"

The old man pointed to a large can in a corner of the saloon. "See that axle grease over there? Coat your gun with it."

The young man went over to the can and smeared some of the grease on the barrel of his gun.

"No," said the old-timer, "I mean smear it all over the gun, handle and all."

"Will that make me a better gunfighter?" asked the young man.

"Nope." said the old timer, "But when Wyatt Earp gets done playin' the piano, he's going to shove that gun right up your ass, and it won't hurt as much."

I think I know who you mean but I can't remember his name but McLean or something comes to mind.

Is that the guy you were thinking of?

Petty? Petty?!? Inquiring minds wanna know, but perhaps we don't really care about yer all's personal convos.

So stick that in yer can and ferment it.

(i.e. so there!)

Sincerely,

Anonymouse

http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/archives/2001/09/september_...

September 19, 2001
President Bush tells CIA chief George Tenet, "I want to know about links between Saddam and al Qaeda. The Vice President knows some things that might be helpful." Vice President Cheney tells Tenet about a report that one of the hijackers, Mohammed Atta, met with senior Iraqi intelligence officials in Prague. Tenet promises to investigate. Two days later, Tenet reports back: CIA's Prague office thinks the Atta story "doesn't add up." Moreover, the intelligence community knows that Atta's credit card and phone were used in Virginia during the period in question. Cheney, however, will continue to cite the alleged meeting in public appearances.

If you are thinking of Michael Scheuer, he's on the list.

*

I'll check it manana.

Anyways...

Gonna go curl up w/ my wee-sick Muffin.

Tis been a grand day on the ol' bloggie.

Good peeps, ol' friends & informative news-n-views.

And wanted to repeat that you overnighters put up some fab musics last night. Danke!

ImPeaches, gang!

Peace

WTF is up with prohibiting weed . That is a grossly underutilized battle cry that lies very close withing the center of the whole attack on Freedom loss of free will thing.

Guess I aint saying anything new. Still. Sure seems like quite a repressive measure to me.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s1RwfjdM2Ro

Besides the regular "daily" prayers and "wake" for the Dead and Dying, especially in Iraq amd NOLA ...

I feel a deep distubance in "the Force" or whatever one chooses to call it. I have been in tears ... although it was a good protest ... and as ome who has done many types of protests for "4" DECADES. (I was 13 laying on my bed when B.S. played again and again "For What It's Worth..."
"Stop baby what's that sound, ... Everbody Look What's Going Down..." ... I was 13 yrs listening and protesting and learning. I started the movement IN MY SCHOOL, to wear PANTS whatever ;) (So there were a zillion protesters throughout this NATION.)

Have differant strategies. We use to talk in "passing and "burning".
Take pictures of them taking pictures of you. Just a few fun comments. I would be joining DEAR others in an ugly space had (and I almost did) I "trusted" what I was told by a few really trusted friends, blindly.
What? Again? Bloody "L".

It started on the sunny-side of Sunset to the Evening.

ma bad. 2 in a row. Sorry.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TQ5bkRGgNZc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lIDKZSF6y8k

I'm brushing my teeth & BAM!

Tyler Drumheller is the name. Right description, wrong scenario.

That is, he knew Curveball was tellin' fibs about Iraq havin' WMD's before...BEFORE...shock & awe.

Career spook. Coulda kept his mouth shut & no one'd been the wiser.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Drumheller

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yctj5h7-Tcg&mode=related&search=

WiccanDruid: "...I started the movement IN MY SCHOOL, to wear PANTS..."
--------
(Sort of the anti-Britney.)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ctv2N7EEBg0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2HA4BhVc8es&mode=related&search=

Cat Chew guess

Tired and not paying careful attention :P
Cat Chew
G'night!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oiRsdxjcC2w&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ciJmTbQ9SS0&mode=related&search=

so sorry, I was busy cussing. LOL

I kmew the Mass in Latin by 6yrs, called a Catholic Witch (in a good way) by dear friends. Have been a practicing Buddhist for 22-25 yrs, until recently ... even was going to be a Buddhist Nun ... after RETREAT. I take none of this with humour. (I did until the 80's have a good sense of humour.) That's why I care so very much to things that make me smile or laugh. But these are Grave Times. ;|

Chinese officials admitted this week that the ground water in 9 out of 10 Chinese cities is polluted. They also said that once you drink it, you're still thirsty for polluted water 2 hours later.
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

been yakking with friends.

walking the doggers, eating our yellow tomaters.

it is always good to breath ... Nice video.

:)

Rose Mattus, the co-founder of Haagen-Dazs ice cream, died recently after fatally choking on her newest flavor, Pralines 'N Fur. Her husband first came up with the now celebrated name of Haagen-Dazs using two ancient Scandinavian words that when put together mean "diabetic coma."
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

evening!

howz yer crew doing?

Delish

Ima bout to walk up the gas station , get a can o pop, and some chips. Or sumthing.

:)

*

just clicking along.

laying out the day for tomorrow.

before i left for escondido i built some shelves

in the shop, i'm still sorting things out.

;)

some good music and dance there!

nice one!

Alison Krauss - A Hundred Miles or More

off to the side

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weqtLCtfkc

Alison Krauss sings a James Taylor song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn8tixOYiZ0

Pretty cool..Especially if you haven't seen it before..

Motherjones.com:
In this timeline, we've assembled the history of the Iraq War to create a resource we hope will help resolve open questions of the Bush era. What did our leaders know and when did they know it? And, perhaps just as important, what red flags did we miss, and how could we have missed them? This is the second installment of the timeline, with a focus on how the war was lost in the first 100 days.
Bush War Timeline
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

My Commputer Is ALWAYS Slow...
I think you are a bit "sightful" yourself -- I use to dance similar unless with another certain "beat". ;) ... I kinda still do, but I don't look exactly that way now -- sorta. LOL ;)

LMFAO @ Malloy
Jan 02 2007 Montage then Malloy takes a bow. Funny as he can be.

Iraq Vets Arrested

175 individually arrested while stepping onto and then standing on wall surrounding the Capitol steps, during a "die-in" protesting continuation of Iraq War. Many members of Iraq Veterans Against the War contingent were arrested, including family members and mothers of vets and active duty, and Vietnam vets.

Capitol Police refuse to say what the charge is for the arrests. No response from Public Information Office. As of 4pm, the Capitol police tried to stop arresting anyone. Someone in charge yelled that the protestors had made their point, and the police at the wall started to push back anyone trying to get arrested, and sprayed chemicals on those who tried to get arrested.

Earlier, single line on Penn Ave of "Gathering of Eagles" and Young Republicans, a majority of whom never served in Iraq, yelled "traitor" at the Iraq Veterans Against the War contingent, heading the antiwar march of thousands. The Iraqs vets were chanting, "We are the troops! Bring us Home!," while marching with flags printed with the names of big war contractors, Bechtel, Lockheed Martin, Blackwater, CACI.

************
Sept 15 Noon White House: "We have made the theme, 'Protesting is not enough. Come for the rally, stay for a week of direct action.'" - Iraq Veteran's Against the War Schedule

Lie by Lie--Bush War Timeline
Submitted by MMRules on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 12:45am.

Seen similar, but thia sounds even more succinct. It will save me Time ;)

Cheers, amd Good Tunes :heart: ;)

;)

175 Arrested Protesting Continuation of Iraq War
Submitted by Alice on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 12:54am.
Iraq Vets Arrested

...last I had was 160 Cool... :fist: ;)

-stay for a week of direct action-

Also promising...

one of the fox news local channels showed Cindy and Ralph - as well as what appeared to be War Dog's wife calling protestors Loony Left and saying the should move to a country they can support.

More importantly, the news said that the marchers are staying until there are one million citizens amassed in DC.

(Sort of the anti-Britney.) (Everytime I am going t
o say something, I see your words ... and just laugh. LOL. ;)

Sorry Fernando.Couldn't resist.. ;)

.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Sorry about last night..
Asking you about the Tull CD then saying nevermind..
I'd just forgot I already had so many Tull CD's..5 I think..
But,I wanted to Thank you again for offering to copy,and send it to me.
My mouth moves quicker than my brain sometimes..Sorry.
Thanks again though! :)
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

http://progressiveboink.com/b/images/kiss/7/harpo10.jpg

if you change your mind again, lemme know.. :)

I tried different way, but (no subject) (or cannot find)
http://progressiveboink.com/b/images/kiss/7/harpo10.jpg :( ;)

:)
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

AP Video
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

it was a photo of Harpo looking at Zeppo... one I'd never seen..oh well.

War of Words: Protestors take on Iraq war
Submitted by MMRules on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 2:05am.

**
"Parodies for Peace Movement"
(It's called a protest movement.)
PEACHES (aka "Soft and Fuzzy Anonymous")

AP Photo:
Link
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

:)
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Moonstruck ~ Dolphin
Submitted by Peaches Pseudonymous on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 2:15am. ;)

http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/

Not a problem ... there is always somthing to say ... like Bloody F.I.N.E Mess We Are In, Now Oli (or sp? Oly) ..... :smack on forehead: ... or WTF ;)

**
"Parodies for Peace Movement"
(It's called a protest movement.)
PEACHES (aka "Soft and Fuzzy Anonymous")

Link
.
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/

**
"Parodies for Peace Movement"
(It's called a protest movement.)
PEACHES (aka "Soft and Fuzzy Anonymous")

http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/info/index.htm

I Missed Our Fights and (kinda) You, LOL
(a Led/Lead Balloon Humour = a joke or LBH.)

The Goblin King In Labyrinth said, "LAUGH"

Great about the Meows. Did Ya See, Alice?

Strays live outside -- all FIXED, and some under house, sharing the water and dry food with the Raccoon familys -- that the Christians Next Door started filling in the little bit of "natural" water nearby until this WONDERFUL woman of 84 or 85 and this one of 108 brought The City out and stopped them... It was The City's Property and SHE caused the signs to be posted. .. ...anyway, regarding the strays ones I can FINALLY touch then I start to get them use The Home. -- Gosh, I even have Ex-Dead Rats Walking, living in Rat Mansions. (Shoot, How did I miss Out being taken care of?) Rats ;)

**
"Parodies for Peace Movement"
(It's called a protest movement.)
PEACHES (aka "Soft and Fuzzy Anonymous")

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /b/images/kiss/7/harpo10.jpg on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhaDtSBmIrI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5RQM6BtEbg

~~~~~~~~

vs. "Jive Talking" ~ The Bee Gees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8XVJx5bjrI

**
"Parodies for Peace Movement"
(It's called a protest movement.)
PEACHES (aka "Soft and Fuzzy Anonymous")

I was going to post some BeeGee stuff. Saturday Night Live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RDa9GKDjC0

I wrote something earlier that reminded me of this tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl7swikAr2Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zeydt8NAMU

Hey Alice,

Is TNR ok?

The Bum went MIA for a whole day. When he showed up I gave him something to eat. A few hours later I noticed and fed his gray, tan and black feral tabby girlfriend too. (She's a beauty) :)

What do you mean ok? It works when the whole colony gets done. Then is fed regularly. I'm glad he has a friend...You and his girlfriend...did the lady call back for the appointment yet? If not, call again and again...There must be some place to help there...

it is just My Bad :smank: computer is forever SAYING NO. ;)

especially North Beach in the 60's ... Wonderful...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8R03fq3nEw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF7_BdHi_NA

I attended a workshop.
Cats and kittens all over the place. :(

Yeah.

I'll bet they could put birth control in cat food ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXKBuTyTY9g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ3U3v3wXMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDR9Xh0GPeQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8pOl1RKLsU

Generally, the problem for the police is how to exercise control over crowds, over dense and moving populations, how to confine them or otherwise keep them orderly. Foucault, of course, famously writes about the roles of hierarchical observation and examination in this process. But control within the crowd, as a function of its own self-organization, is of another nature altogether. The affects that govern the internal organizations of crowds are haptic, tactile and immersive. Police technologies for controlling crowd affects are evolving in network societies. No longer content with passive surveillance (cameras, listening devices), the new technologies seek to control crowd affect directly, by informating tactile qualities of crowds -- texture, concentration, pressure, attraction and repulsion -- generating those qualities through technical means.

Tactile networks are the technical horizon of crowd control. This I take to be the whole logic of haptics understood as an information control technology and means of capitalist accumulation. The dream of police technologies is to harness the tactility of crowds and place it at the disposal of the new information economy. This demands not just control of visible space, but parametric control using tactile feedback.

In the 1973 sci-fi story "Flash Crowd," Larry Niven envisages a society that has invented teleportation. An argument in a mall covered by a TV crew becomes the impetus for an instantaneous riot, as people from everywhere teleport to the scene. The modern incarnation of this is the "flash mob." Flash mobs are populations that suddenly assemble in a public place, do something interesting, then disperse. They are mostly self-organizing, taking advantage of the potentials in digital networks and instant messaging, and are often unpredictable and disruptive. We can imagine contemporary social control as a problem in the anticipation and policing of flash mobs. This is what occupies the authorities today. (In Niven's story, a policeman dryly says of flash crowds, "we watch for them").

Imagine a society where instead of teleporting to an event, you are plugged into an interface that is a node in a highly policed haptic network. In such a society, the police (or authorities of other kinds) are able to control the generation of flash crowds, mobilize them in advance and assemble them at the necessary times and places, in ways that invest the full tactile participation of their members. This is the logic of televised "pay-per-view" events, where the goal is to provide paying customers with realistic spectacles of remote happenings (e.g., sporting and entertainment events, political and educational events, sex and violence). Or Capital's dream of an automated and mobile labor force, capable of being outsourced over computer networks to wherever it needs. The remote workplace is already a reality for many "affective" laborers in the professional administrative and service sectors of the economy. The once enclosed site of the industrial workplace is becoming a relic of the past as the corporate tactile model spreads through information networks across the planet. The new networked worker, as Hardt and Negri observe, is already the common figure of the postmodern economy. Finally, it is the dream of completely liquid consumption, the instantaneous mobilization of crowds of dividualized consumers online, buying everything in site, flash crowd shopping. Artificially induced tactility.

http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=581

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwMfphqbYbk

She lives in Mojave in a Winnebago
His name is Bobby, he looks like a potato

She's in love with a boy
From the rodeo
Who pulls the rope on the chute
When they let those suckers go
(Yeah-hey! Suckers!)

He got slobberin' drunk at the Palomino
They give him thirty days in San Ber'dino

http://dailyrefill.blogs.com/daily/files/04_san_berdino.mp3

People who are not activists concoct that sort of stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BITiY8M_oDo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbUYsQR3Mes

We Haven't Started To Pay For This Damned War Yet
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/15/85335/0608

It's good to know what the non-activists are thinking. 'What you don't know can't hurt them,' as it were.

Research in evolutionary biology offers the comfort of vast expanses of time. 250 million years ago and 96% of all marine species were dead. But then the Triassic announced its arrival with great fanfare and a new era of life’s flourishing diversity. Come the Cretaceous-Paleogene and half of all life vanished in a geologic instant, now captured in glorious Technicolor quality limestone snapshots from 65 million years ago. Then there was the Holocene extinction. Up to 140,000 species went extinct every year. Towards the end a third of all species on land, sea and air vanished within just one generation of the species that caused their demise. Half of all life was expected to disappear in their lifetimes and the Dow reached a high of 13,000.

http://primatediaries.blogspot.com/2007/09/twin-towers-on-pale-blue-dot....

Chile, September 11, 1973: The Ingredients of a Military Coup
by Michel Chossudovsky

The IMF's deadly economic prescriptions under the "structural adjustment program" had not yet been officially launched. The experience of Chile and Argentina under the "Chicago boys" was "a dress rehearsal" of things to come.

In due course, the economic bullets of the free market system were hitting country after country. Since the onslaught of the debt crisis of the 1980s, the same IMF economic medicine has routinely been applied in more than 150 developing countries. From my earlier work in Chile, Argentina and Peru, I started to investigate the global impacts of these reforms.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO309A.html

Not sure if it's finished yet. Will probably be added to a big piece of canvas with some other stuff.

night

Gingrich calls Petraeus's report "wholly inadequate", eyes campaign
by Chris in Paris · 9/16/2007 04:15:00 AM ET

I think Newt is exactly what the GOP needs in this presidential campaign. It's just not crazy enough or far-right enough nor has it properly alienated enough people so it's about time they find a serious divider who can push the party over the edge and into a ravine. With all of the leading candidates doing their best to talk about the successful war in Iraq, Gingrich would spice up the debates with his criticism, dividing the party faithful even more. Run, Newt, run.
Republican Newt Gingrich is so unimpressed with his own party's 'chaotic' line-up of candidates to replace President Bush in the 2008 elections that he has threatened to make a dramatic late entry into the race.

The 64-year-old former Speaker of the House spent last week making speeches attacking Bush's handling of Iraq and the 'war on terror' and calling for 'big ideas' that would unite a disillusioned America behind a strong rival to Clinton.

He called General David Petraeus's report to Congress on the military surge in Iraq 'wholly inadequate', adding: 'The gap between where we are and where we should be is so large it seems almost impossible to explain.'

http://www.americablog.com/2007/09/gingrich-calls-petraeuss-report-wholl...

Mr Bubble criticizes Bush and GOP economic policies
by Chris in Paris · 9/16/2007 05:34:00 AM ET

All valid criticisms but let's not forget who had one of the most (if not the most) influential economic positions in the US, perhaps in the world. Greenspan accepted all of this bad policy including radical tax cuts during a war plus and he ignored traditional reason with the sub-prime lending programs so to listen to all of his criticisms today is an amazing display of chutzpah by the former Fed chief. As much as Mr Bubble loves a microphone or interviewer today, it's clear that the man knows how to work the media and exert influence so to pretend as though he could do nothing to stop Bush and the GOP when he was at the Fed is laughable.

It's unfortunate for Greenspan that we lived through that period and when all of the insane GOP policies were being shoved through Congress, he offered no criticism and did nothing to stop the insanity. In fact, Greenspan even went on the offensive against Hillary when she dared to ask questions and criticized the 2001 tax cuts. Funny how it was fine to attack Hillary but it was so difficult to criticize the GOP. I hope Hillary reminds him again that not everyone was wrong about the 2001 tax cuts which he embraced. His selective memory routine is getting old.

http://www.americablog.com/2007/09/mr-bubble-criticizes-bush-and-gop.htm...

Impeach or It's Armageddon
by BooMan
Sun Sep 16th, 2007 at 12:50:38 AM EST

Andrew Sullivan in the Times of London:

Some cynics argue that George Bush is playing a small, domestic game of keeping the ordeal [Iraq] going so that the next Democratic president can be accused of losing Iraq – not him. But this theory, while not totally implausible, does not quite fit with the messianic ambitions of the president and apocalyptic fears of Vice-President Dick Cheney.

Okay, so Andrew Sullivan doesn't have any special insight. But the word has definitely gotten out that Dick Cheney is frothing at the mouth to make more evil. There's not a constant amount of evil in the world, you know. It's not a zero-sum game. Cheney makes evil where evil did not previously exist. And his brush-clearing sidekick is too eager to go along. Here's the news coming out today.

Helene Cooper in the New York Times:

Mr. Cheney and hawks in his office, however, have become increasingly frustrated with the slow pace of progress in curbing Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

Allies of Mr. Cheney continue to say publicly that the United States should include a change in Iran’s leadership as a viable policy option, and have argued, privately, that the United States should encourage Israel to consider a military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Julian Borger and Ian Black in the Guardian:

The US has called a meeting of major powers in Washington next Friday to discuss Iran's defiance of UN resolutions calling for its suspension of uranium enrichment. It comes amid signs that the Bush administration is running out of patience with diplomatic efforts to curb the nuclear programme. Hawks led by the vice-president, Dick Cheney, are intensifying their push for military action, with support from Israel and privately from some Sunni Gulf states.

"Washington is seriously reviewing plans to bomb not just nuclear sites, but oil sites, military sites and even leadership targets. The talk is of multiple targets," said Mr Cronin. "In Washington there is very serious discussion that this is a window that has to be looked at seriously because there is only six months to 'do something about Iran' before it will be looked at as a purely political issue."

Philip Sherwell and Tim Shipman in the U.K. Telegraph:

Now it has emerged that Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, who has been pushing for a diplomatic solution, is prepared to settle her differences with Vice-President Dick Cheney and sanction military action.

In a chilling scenario of how war might come, a senior intelligence officer warned that public denunciation of Iranian meddling in Iraq - arming and training militants - would lead to cross border raids on Iranian training camps and bomb factories.

Not convinced? How about this?

Wesley Clark in the Washington Post:

Think another war can't happen? Think again. Unchastened by the Iraq fiasco, hawks in Vice President Cheney's office have been pushing the use of force.

There is still a possibility that this is all part of a game to pressure Iran to do anything from backing off in Iraq to abandoning their civilian nuclear power research. But with rhetoric this heated, things can quickly spiral out of control. Consider this:

Iran's leaders have so far shown every sign of relishing the confrontation. The supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, declared yesterday that American policies had failed in the Middle East and warned: "I am certain that one day Bush and senior American officials will be tried in an international court for the tragedies they have created in Iraq."

That doesn't sound like a man that is thinking about backing down. The U.K. Telegraph article has some alleged inside baseball.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/9/16/05038/9409

Sunday Talking Head Thread
By Christy Hardin Smith on Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 05:05 am
Here’s the Sunday Talking Head line-up.

“C-Span’s Washington Journal”: 7:45am - Matt Bai, New York Times Magazine, Contributing Editor; 8:30am - Newspaper Articles & Viewer Calls; 9am - Olga Oliker, RAND Corporation, Senior International Policy Analyst; 9:30am - Lisa Curtis, Heritage Foundation, Asian Studies Senior Fellow.

“Meet the Press” (NBC): Sens. John Kerry, D-Mass., and John McCain, R-Ariz.

“This Week” (ABC): Defense Secretary Robert Gates; Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I.

“Face the Nation” (CBS): Sens. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., and Carl Levin, D-Mich.

“CNN Late Edition”: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark; Sens. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Christopher Dodd, D-Conn.; Rep. Tom Lantos, D-San Mateo.

“Fox News Sunday”: Defense Secretary Robert Gates; Gen. David Petraeus; Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del.

It’s a whole lotta Iraq and bloviating, and not much else, frankly. But there could be some interesting sparks on CNN’s Late Edition if Rep. Tom Lantos gets asked about why Rush Limbaugh is an ill-informed, bloviating moron. (Here’s hoping Blitzer gives him the chance…but I’m not exactly holding my breath.)

All Pictures and Videos were Grand. Micky Rose, I have been trying to Ask You ...did you ever see Grease, the movie? And I really like seeing again that Hildegard Video ;)

dada, all posts are profoundly true. You worked for an S.O....correct? So did I. ... OOOoooOOOooo we can talk "code". (Just a tad bit of a LBH joke, with a "seed" of "truth" teehee) And cool painting.
This is not a problem of surveillance, but of immersion.
Submitted by dada on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 5:00am. 10-4 :nod:

Kevin @ I even like your dolphin photo, I think. 8) :D ... ;)

I thought I posted before...if not MMRules Thank You for all the pixs ... I saw on a "traffic" Cam there in D.C. TRES Cool. but your pictures defrosted me, that kept me a bit calmer working Computer.with Rage

And Alice ... wow put your energy and mine and ... near your posts in the early Eve, is when My Compter decded to slow and freeze, the first of many... Timing... GRRR.
Be Well All. ;)

WiccanDruid

N not M and it might help to 1) proof read "eye-roll,2) add more light, even if leaving when typing ADD LIGHT,3) REMEMBER to USE the READING GLASSES4)...and get more than a few hrs of sleep, thus SLEEP, almost. G'Night.

WiccanDruid

Bush setting America up for war with Iran
By Philip Sherwell in New York and Tim Shipman in Washington
Last Updated: 3:20am BST 16/09/2007

Senior American intelligence and defence officials believe that President George W Bush and his inner circle are taking steps to place America on the path to war with Iran, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

Pentagon planners have developed a list of up to 2,000 bombing targets in Iran, amid growing fears among serving officers that diplomatic efforts to slow Iran's nuclear weapons programme are doomed to fail.

Pentagon and CIA officers say they believe that the White House has begun a carefully calibrated programme of escalation that could lead to a military showdown with Iran.

Now it has emerged that Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, who has been pushing for a diplomatic solution, is prepared to settle her differences with Vice-President Dick Cheney and sanction military action.

In a chilling scenario of how war might come, a senior intelligence officer warned that public denunciation of Iranian meddling in Iraq - arming and training militants - would lead to cross border raids on Iranian training camps and bomb factories.

A prime target would be the Fajr base run by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Quds Force in southern Iran, where Western intelligence agencies say armour-piercing projectiles used against British and US troops are manufactured.

Under the theory - which is gaining credence in Washington security circles - US action would provoke a major Iranian response, perhaps in the form of moves to cut off Gulf oil supplies, providing a trigger for air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities and even its armed forces.

Senior officials believe Mr Bush's inner circle has decided he does not want to leave office without first ensuring that Iran is not capable of developing a nuclear weapon.

The intelligence source said: "No one outside that tight circle knows what is going to happen." But he said that within the CIA "many if not most officials believe that diplomacy is failing" and that "top Pentagon brass believes the same".

He said: "A strike will probably follow a gradual escalation. Over the next few weeks and months the US will build tensions and evidence around Iranian activities in Iraq."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=EFDIUIFOYLUCJQFIQM...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/09/16/wiran116a.gif

The GOP finally has its savior! Alan Keyes
by kos
Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 03:44:58 PM PDT
As if the GOP pigmies weren't a sorry enough bunch.

On Friday, Sept. 14, Alan Keyes filed a Statement of Candidacy (Form 2) with the Federal Election Commission–thus officially announcing as a Republican candidate for President of the United States.

Keyes told Janet Parshall, host of a nationally syndicated radio show, that he’s “unmoved” by the lack of moral courage shown by the other candidates, among whom he sees no standout who articulates the “key kernel of truth that must, with courage, be presented to our people.”

He added, “The one thing I’ve always been called to do is to raise the standard . . . that there is a national standard of our allegiance to God and His authority that has been the foundation stone of our nation’s life”–and he decried the lack of “forthright, clear, and clarion declaration” from the other candidates concerning this issue…

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [deep breath] ha ha ha ha ha ha

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/15/18423/9849

I'm trying to recall the name of the democratic politican which Sam has played on his show and featured on this blog. Young guy, impassioned, he taunts Republicans by condescending calling them 'REPUBLIC Congressman'.

.

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

watching the sun come up in a bit.

New favourite in Japan's PM race
Japan's former foreign minister Taro Aso has conceded he is unlikely to win upcoming party elections to replace Shinzo Abe as prime minister.
Speaking on a television chat show, he agreed that his rival Yasuo Fukuda was most likely to win the ruling Liberal Democratic Party's leadership vote.

Mr Aso said he was continuing in the race to give party members a choice.

He was the initial front-runner to replace Mr Abe, who resigned on Wednesday after a year in office.

Mr Aso is the Liberal Democratic Party's (LDP) deputy leader, but support for Mr Fukuda has shot up since he announced his candidacy on Friday.

Consensual figure

In a televised debate with Mr Aso on Sunday, he said Japan's relationship with the US would continue to be the "cornerstone" of his foreign policy.

Mr Fukuda said he wanted to continue logistical support for the war in Afghanistan despite growing opposition at home.

He also said he wanted to pursue a more conciliatory approach with Japan's neighbours China and North Korea.
On Saturday, Mr Fukuda announced he would not visit the contentious Yasukuni shrine, which Japan's neighbours see as a symbol of the country's past militarism.

His rival, Mr Aso, called China's growing military spending a threat to Japan and the region.

Correspondents say the LDP is returning to a more consensual figure in Mr Fukuda following the abrupt resignation of Mr Abe last Wednesday.

A day later he was admitted to hospital suffering from a stress-related stomach complaint.

The party will pick its new leader on 23 September.

The LDP controls the lower house of parliament, so its new leader is guaranteed to become prime minister.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6997190.stm

Free Democracy

House Dem Leaders Slam Boehner Over "Small Price" Remark
By Greg Sargent - September 14, 2007, 6:49PM
Two House Dem leaders have now added their voices to the growing criticism of John "Small Price" Boehner:

Democratic whip Clyburn:

“Minority Leader John Boehner calls the cost in American lives and taxpayer dollars a ‘small price’ to pay in Iraq. The loss of American lives is never a small price."
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer:

From President Bush’s repeated use of the word strategy (5 times) while offering no new strategy, to Minority Leader Boehner’s declaration that 3,775 American dead is a “small price to pay,” Republicans once again showed Americans that they just don’t get it.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/house_dem_leaders_slam_boehner_ove...

****

Boehner Spokesman: Dems Are Criticizing "Small Price" Because They Want America's Defeat
By Greg Sargent - September 15, 2007, 10:30AM
This is fun. John Boehner's office has hatched a new explanation for why Dems and others are criticizing his "small price" remark: Because they want American troops to get defeated in Iraq.

The Cleveland Plain-Dealer asked Boehner's office about his comment, in which he said that the loss of American lives was a "small price" to pay for defeating Al Qaeda, and here's what the paper got from Boehner spokesperson Jessica Towhey:

A Boehner spokeswoman said his remarks referred to the monetary investment the United States has made to win the global war on terror and ensure U.S. security. She observed that Boehner visited Iraq this week to thank U.S. troops for their service and assess the "progress on the ground that some Democrats are so desperate to ignore."
"It's apparent that some Democrats and the far-left wing of their party are deeply afraid we are winning in Iraq now, and it's clear they will do anything they can -- including making false representations -- to ensure our troops come home after defeat, not victory," said Boehner spokeswoman Jessica Towhey.

It's worth noting, of course, that Ms. Towhey is, well, not telling the truth. In fact, Boehner was answering a question that very clearly was about the loss of American lives, not just money.

It's also worth noting that Navy veteran and Republican John McCain agrees with the Dems who allegedly are only criticizing Boehner because they want our troops to lose. Just yesterday, McCain said that Boehner should "retract" is remark.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/boehner_spokesman_his_critics_want...

Pentagon: Rudy Ad's Use Of Petraeus Image Done "Without His Consent"
By Greg Sargent - September 15, 2007, 1:42PM
Rudy's new political ad attacking Hillary Clinton features multiple pictures of General Petraeus in uniform -- but now the Pentagon says that the General "has not condoned" the use of his image in Rudy's ad or any other political ads, adding that it was done "without his consent."

Rudy's Web ad -- launched yesterday -- features images of a uniformed Petraeus as a narrator's voice in the background accuses Clinton of slandering the General. In the ad, the Giulilani campaign also faults Clinton for not forcefully condemning a MoveOn ad in The Times that also features a picture of Petraeus.

Giuliani's ad, in addition to featuring multiple pictures of Petraeus in uniform, also features photos of uniformed American soldiers in Iraq that are "shown as Mrs. Clinton is accused of turning her back on them," as today's New York Times piece on the ad puts it. You can view the ad here, on Giuliani's campaign Web site.

Defense Department regulations prohibit uniformed personnel from appearing in political ads. And while these are stock photos, meaning that neither Petraeus nor the other military personnel actively moved to appear in Giuliani's ad, their use in this ad makes the question of whether Petraeus or the Defense Department condone the use of images of him or other military uniformed personnel a fair one.

It also raises the question of whether the Giuliani campaign perhaps should have asked Petraeus' permission to use his image in the ad -- particularly since the ad is designed to portray him as respectful of the General while painting Clinton as disrespectful, even disdainful, towards the top commander in Iraq.

So we posed the question to Petraeus' spokesman, Colonel Steven Boylan: Does General Petraeus condone the use of his image in political ads? He emailed this reply:

"General Petraeus has not condoned the use of his photo in political ads. Use of his photos in recent ads was without his consent or advance knowledge."
We've emailed the Giuliani campaign for comment about this, asking whether Petraeus should have been informed of the use of his image in a political ad in advance. We also asked whether the ad would continue to remain posted now that Petraeus's spokesperson has confirmed that he "has not condoned" its use in any political ad.

We'll keep you posted.

Late Update: Quick clarification. I should have made it clearer in this post that the point I'm making here isn't that the ad is a violation of DOD regs. Rather, it's that the spirit of the regs, which frown on the appearance of uniformed personnel in political ads, makes the question as to whether Petraeus condones the use of his image in ads a fair one.

It's also a fair question in light of Petraeus' high profile and in light of Rudy's aggressive use of his image to paint Hillary as disrespectful, even disdainful, of the top commander and of the military in general.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/pentagon_raps_use_of_petraeus_in_p...

Happy Sunday!

Hope Everyone's doing well. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

It's Seder on Sunday!
One Seder is never enough.

One election at a time...

Quote of the Day
"You have an unpopular President going onto prime time television, interrupting Americans' TV programs, to remind them of why they don't like him."

-- A "frustrated Capitol Hill Republican strategist with ties to the G.O.P. leadership," quoted by Time magazine, on President Bush's recent address on Iraq.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/09/15/quote_of_the_day.html

SEIU Leaning Towards Edwards
Bloomberg reports that Andy Stern, president of the 1.9 million member Service Employees International Union, says that John Edwards has more support from his members than any other presidential candidate.

"About 2,000 of the union's leaders will meet September 17 in Washington to listen to pitches from the major Democratic candidates and take a straw poll that will help guide the group's endorsement." The SEIU will decide whether and who to endorse by late October.

Said Stern: "Edwards has done an awful lot with leaders and members in our union," but noting "If Obama rocked the place," he said, or if Clinton did well, "you don't know what's going to happen."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aFkLgs2eMgXg&refer=u...

Arctic ice drops to record low levels. AP reports:

Arctic ice has shrunk to the lowest level on record, new satellite images show, raising the possibility that the Northwest Passage that eluded famous explorers will become an open shipping lane.

The European Space Agency said nearly 200 satellite photos this month taken together showed an ice-free passage along northern Canada, Alaska and Greenland, and ice retreating to its lowest level since such images were first taken in 1978. […]

A U.N. panel on climate change has predicted that polar regions could be virtually free of ice by the summer of 2070 because of rising temperatures and sea ice decline, ESA noted.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070915/ap_on_sc/northwest_passage

News Channel. My cable box has never been on this channel. I'm looking for Petraeus/Gates interview. Did I miss it? It replays at 5 I think.

I found Fox
Submitted by Fernando on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 11:18am.
News Channel. My cable box has never been on this channel...
---------
Maybe later you can find a ten-year-old to program your TiVo and set the clock on your microwave?

This is a pretty good albeit ancient joke revisited. I couldn't resist editing it to better mimic the decades-old joke.
------
Jim Earl
Submitted by MMRules on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 12:16am.
Chinese officials admitted this week that the ground water in nine out of ten Chinese cities is polluted. They also said that two hours later, you're thirsty for polluted water all over again.

New Thread