f'd up

to a die hard republican lady today. Totally cute. Totally smart and kind, but a Republican.

She hadn't heard about any of this and said "I wonder why they would vote that way"? I sent her the vote page of the Senate for this and the Habeas Corpus bill. Then I had to explain what a filibuster was so she could understand what they were voting for.

People don't have a clue how government works anymore. Even good otherwise smart people. She excused herself by saying she was too busy working 12 hours a day and running taking care of the house.

She has no kids, a dog, and a husband but too exhausted to get involved while her country self destructs under her own nose.

designed to limit popular participation.

Republican mayor of San Diego says daughter is gay, will support same-sex marriage
by John Aravosis (DC) · 9/19/2007 10:05:00 PM ET

Neat story.

http://www.americablog.com/2007/09/republican-mayor-of-san-diego-says.ht...

"too exhausted to get involved while her country self destructs under her own nose."

wait til she see's what coming as a result of her not making the effort.

ha! he's in the middle of a "catch 35"...

out in a month or so.

And Crank, your point was well taken.

They stomp on our inalienable right to pursue happiness. By they, I mean corporations. They exist on paper for the benefit and of certain individuals with their liabilities well defined.

Mean while within the group of certain individuals plots are hatched to remove as much of your access and wealth and concentrate it in their own hands.

Financial instruments such as stocks and bonds and insurance and dollars themselves are put in front of us as "opportunities". Meanwhile stocks and bonds and insurance and dollars themselves are produced within these entities.

Insurance throttles much of our well defined risks. Anything outside of that defined risk is not covered causing human suffering. The defined interpretation contracts too.

Holdings however have all their risks identified at discount rates. Defined risk interpretations skew during periods of devastations like Katrina or the Housing and Load collapse of the 80's. Corporations suffer by shedding assets whenever they make poor choices. That rarely happens at the serious enterprise level but can.

Mostly Corporate suffering is legislated. We'll have none of that. Instead we will legislate the citizenry. And if citizens start to get uppity penalties increase. Eventually any obstacle to chasing profits at the expense of human suffering is a simple trade. Any reason to take some one out of the human pool is just as irrelevant.

Someone erect a new prison and make those stupid stiffs over there build and pay for it, some legislator will say. Corporations applaud his courageous stance while lining up to subcontract the deals. And if there isn't enough prisoners, make laws that put those brown, and black and poor people in the clinck. Kick out those Mexicans, we have our own slaves now!

Great stuff those federalists.

as Thom would say. Damn these Republics that don't even know or care what they're voting for.

Now that I re-read it. That comment seemed like something to come out of a Spanish culture. All wrapped up in the futility of suffering.

Submitted by Fernando on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 10:50pm.
...All wrapped up in the futility of suffering.
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is where masochism shines.

Like Flies
Scandal-tarred Rep. Weller (R) to retire.

--Josh Marshall

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/report_gop_congressman_jerry_welle...

What is a catch 35?

Do either of you have a copy of PJ Sauter's e-mail to Danny Goldberg when he was pleading Marc's case for him to stay on Morning Sedition? I remember reading his beautiful explanation of why Marc was so special and stupid me I didn't keep a copy. Post a copy, please, if you have any idea what I'm talking about.

HOT off The Presses...

New Mr. Drinkwater 'toon is up:

http://www.mrdrinkwater.com/

~Nyc
Fox News... We Report... You Deride

Crank. That's private.

I think you may have shown this poor woman the light, Fernando. That's more than I did today.

thank you thank you.

When we were done the conversation had a rancor of that illumination covered up in shame. I think she won't talk to me for a couple of days now. I'm sure she will forget all about it thou.

That's how she gets to remain a Republican. That's very important in these North Texas parts.

But, sadly, I've heard all I've ever wanted to know about:

Rule 34

Though, initially, I was afraid to ask.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule+34

~Nyc W. Alberts
Fox News... We Report... You Deride

I hope all those lazy uninsured people go and cough in the faces of the anonymous cowards of the world.

There's tons and tons of material on the http://www.mrdrinkwater.com/ site.

Click on any thumbnail up top to navigate thru.

~Nyc W. Alberts
Fox News... We Report... You Deride

came into the Park District. He wanted to register his son in a Karate class. He had an Arabic name and he had an accent but it wasn't Arabic. I asked him where he was from and he told me Lebanon. I asked him about his accent, and he said he hasn't been in Lebanon in 28 years but lived in Italy for several years before coming here.

We discussed what happened in Lebanon today and also the Greek elections. Very nice man. He said his family left Lebanon because of what was happening there. He saw that the problem would remain and get worse.

We both agreed that the world was becoming very dangerous.

Anon's can't read.

The one of garbage identification, the bar scene. I thought that was great stuff.

Thanks.

If you like his stuff, please pass it along to any interested parties you might know.

He's been despondent of late, The Webb/Hagel Troop Amendment getting shot down today was no help, and he could use some reassurance that he's not laboring alone in the dark.

For my money, he's this generation's answer to Jules Feiffer, only with more bite and less snark.

~Nyc W. Alberts
Fox News... We Report... You Deride

but my blog is pretty much just a diary for me. Nobody goes there. I know I'll appreciate it and maybe a dozen more will see it.

getting sleepy. News is slow tonight.

LMAO...

that's a beautiful sentiment, meg

: )

//Insurance - Good for what ails ya - Vote Hillary!//

hmmm...

Clinton’s Prescription for Another Heath Care Reform Failure

~as heard on malloy

Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

//For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill.//

~as heard on malloy

♥ t.

WTF!!!

le purrrrr....

le mmmm

where you are air-ono?

it'll be 2pm here

(we're 14 hours ahead)

Get out of bed you lazy Auss!

Submitted by Fernando on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 11:07pm.
...That's how she gets to remain a Republican...
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I am not certain that I believe that a person can legitimately call herself a Republican (or a Democrat) if said person cannot define filibuster.

It is not a word likely to be forgotten. It cannot be mistaken for any other word. It is (was) taught in fourth-grade civics and then every year thereafter in social studies, current events, American History, etc.

It's sorta like a person claiming to be Conservative without being able to define fiduciary.

I know tons of self described Conservatives in ARM's.

by jesus

disorientated by the gospel, eric shifts the blame to the aclu, gays, & muslims

yes, eric is a republican

UPDATE: filibuster that, eric

I had some of the information taught to me under the title: "Social Studies" but not until 7th grade. I probably had some basics taught to me in grade school, but very minimal. I was in 7th grade in 1976-77. And I was in one of the top school districts in New York State at the time.

They didn't even use the word 'civics' in my day. I think it was the generation before me that actually got taught civics properly (i.e. spent a good amount of time on it).

that Crank is going to try big words on me, words I have problems spelling, damn that Crank and his pretzel logic. .

civics in my life. We had Texas history and Government classes that covered many civics related issues thou. It was hard to recognize the civics because we were focused on date memorization and what the laws are.

Submitted by Fernando on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:03am.
I know tons of self described Conservatives in ARM's.
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Now you're just being catty. Maybe they couldn't afford the fixed rate AND the health care insurance? Did you ever think of THAT, Mr. Smartypants? They were standing tall and being manly men, by god!

Insurance: Where men are men and exclusions include preexisting conditions known or unknown for periods of time which are not limited to personhood and may encompass periods of prepersonhood as defined in Section 14, subsection S under "Homo Sapiens And Related".

Dear Catharine,

As you may have already heard, this week I plan to once again introduce binding legislation that uses Congress's 'power of the purse' to safely redeploy our troops out of Iraq. Last May, with your help, we saw a majority of Democratic senators support a similar proposal. Unfortunately, too many of my colleagues, on both sides of the aisle, continue to be recklessly timid when it comes to blocking funding for one of the biggest mistakes in the history of our country.

But after yet another week of the same old rhetoric from the White House, Republicans in Congress, and through the testimony of both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker, my hope is that more of my colleagues will finally join the millions of Americans that agree - now is the time to safely redeploy our brave men and women in uniform out of Iraq.

Tell my colleagues to support Feingold-Reid

http://ga1.org/campaign/iraq0907_Reps?rk=qp315aM1mUYvE

To be clear, my proposal blocks further funding for the war AFTER the troops have been safely redeployed. That emphasis is an important one to make, as some Republicans, and way too many Democrats, have time and again incorrectly made the false claim that they couldn’t support my ‘power of the purse’ proposal because 'we can't cut funding for our troops.' Any elected official or talking head who puts forth that dishonest argument when discussing my proposal, knows the truth and is simply too timid to take on misleading attacks by the White House. The Feingold-Reid legislation sets a timetable to redeploy our troops by June 30, 2008 - at which time further funding for the war would be terminated.

Let my colleagues know the truth about Feingold-Reid

While many in Congress have acknowledged that the President has the wrong strategy when it comes to Iraq, Congress has thus far failed to do anything about it. With our military at the breaking point and our ability to go after those who attacked us on 9/11 hampered by an Iraq-centric foreign policy, the time has come for Congress to use its constitutional power - the 'power of the purse' - to end this misguided war in Iraq. I will need your help to take another step in our fight. Please contact your senators today and tell them to support the Feingold-Reid legislation.

Sincerely,

Russ Feingold
United States Senator
Honorary Chair, Progressive Patriots Fund

you get Russ? I get Cunt Baily Hutchinson. The world isn't fair.

Your insurance company recognizes evolution? Call the press!

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.

Dang Catharine

Submitted by Fernando on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:19am.

you get Russ? I get Cunt Baily Hutchinson. The world isn't fair.
***

I get Schumer and Clinton. Certainly not as bad as Miss Kay Bailey Hutchinson, though.

Israel declares Gaza Strip "enemy entity." Israel to cut off electricity, water, and food to the densely-populated Middle East's version of the "Warsaw Ghetto."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/19/world/main3274069.shtml

Rice: We Won't Abandon "Innocent" In Gaza
However, Secretary Of State Back's Israeli Move To Name Palestinian Territory "Enemy Entity"

At least 20 innocent civilians killed by Blackwater mercenaries in Iraq. Condoleezza Rice pressured Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki to reverse Blackwater expulsion order, proving that Iraq's government is America's Vichy/Quisling puppet in the Middle East and that Blackwater is Bush's "Waffen SS."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-19-iraq-wednesday_N.htm

Israel declares Gaza Strip "enemy entity."
Catharine

I had to pass a Civics class to graduate HS ..and that's what it was called Civics.

Vanderbilt University online editorial on tasering at the University of Florida. The Florida tasering incident may be the spark that ignites the college campuses against the fascist Bush regime.

http://www.insidevandy.com/drupal/node/4812

When I was in school in the late 50's and 60's we were taugh about government and the constitution in Social Studies class. I wonder if that explains why we were out in the streets protesting the Viet Nam war?

?

Submitted by BarbinMN on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:29am.

When I was in school in the late 50's and 60's we were taugh about government and the constitution in Social Studies class. I wonder if that explains why we were out in the streets protesting the Viet Nam war?

***

Like why they stopped teaching it. It was definitely on purpose.

One proposal here in New York City [which are still woefully underfunded] is to reintroduce a really strong curriculum of civics. I haven't heard anything about it recently, but the idea that the Schools Chancellor and Mayor Bloomberg spoke about... warmed my heart!

Submitted by Catharine on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:11am.
...I was in 7th grade in 1976-77...They didn't even use the word 'civics' in my day. I think it was the generation before me that actually got taught civics properly...
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Uh, I had been married for three years when you were in seventh grade (and, no, I wasn't in eighth at the time).

The nuns and the Jesuits had to balance all of our catechism instruction and religion classes and Mass time with something useful, so they taught us how the world worked. What were they thinking?

Having a Catholic President assassinated while I was in...in...the third grade probably was a wake-up call to the nuns and priests to fast-track us kids into political awareness.

Phony baloney ABC News expert was also consultant to Pentagon. Andy Marshall's Office of Net Asessment, another neocon cell within the bowels of DoD that should be abolished, had Alex Debat work on stidy on Islamic warfare.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/09/alexis-debats-pen...

California

U.S. running psyops "re-education camps" in Iraq. Indoctrination targeting children as young as 11.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/18/AR200709...

and Government was a class in the eighth grade. I think it was called History in high school...But the Government class in the eighth grade is where I heard the basic run down of who and what makes up the U.S. Government. What were civics classes like?

What decade?

where heaven is...

(as if proof was needed)

illustrated by colin powell

and funded by the all you need is faith foundation for war

maybe?

Eventually He'll Read One Of These
Submitted by Crank Bait on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 7:21pm.

Chubby,
Let me be the first to erroneously welcome you home twice on the wrong days.

Why is Chubbs not getting out for an extra month now? What's that 65 thing?

Myanmar: Buddhist monks join in anti-regime protests. Participation of monks creates dilemma for military junta.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/19/news/myanmar.php

Hello Sunshine Jim And Marc Maron Rules (when you're on)
Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 10:57pm.
Do either of you have a copy of PJ Sauter's e-mail to Danny Goldberg when he was pleading Marc's case for him to stay on Morning Sedition? I remember reading his beautiful explanation of why Marc was so special and stupid me I didn't keep a copy. Post a copy, please, if you have any idea what I'm talking about.
*******

http://morningseditionists.com/

Ask in the Blog too! They might know.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Sept. 19, 2007 -- Cynthia McKinney on University of Florida tasering incident.

The corporate media is "swiftboating" Andrew Meyer, the 21-year old University of Florida student who was arrested and tasered by campus cops while asking Senator John Kerry a series of questions about 2004 election fraud, impeachment, and secret societies like Yale's Skull and Bones, of which Kerry is a member. Meyer is being described by the Associated Press, a consortium owned by mostly conservative newspaper publishers, as a "prankster." The AP is the closest thing the United States has to an "official news agency" like Adolf Hitler's German News Agency, the former Soviet Union's TASS, the Shah of Iran's Pars news agency, or China's Xinhua news agency.

The AP and other corporate outlets are ignoring the fact that Meyer is a journalism major and a columnist for the Independent Alligator, the University of Florida's alternative campus newspaper. Not only did the campus cops violate Meyer's right of free speech but also infringed on the freedom of the press.

Former Georgia Representative Cynthia McKinney, who lost her seat because of the election fraud Meyer was trying to ask Kerry about, has written the following about the Florida incident:

"Not only residents of the United States are being subjected to illegitimate authority due to two stolen elections in 2000 and again in 2004. The entire global community is suffering because of it. When John Kerry, 2004 Democratic Nominee for President had the opportunity to tell us and the world why he didn't fight for his own victory that the voters of this country gave him, John Kerry proceeded to talk while the student who asked the question was violently tasered by the police.

That University of Florida student asked one of the central questions that the American people deserve to have answered.

Kerry didn't even fight for the victory that the U.S. voters had given him. He remained mute as the Libertarian and Green Parties demanded to know what happened in Ohio. And took their meager resources to investigate election theft by Republicans in Ohio. And all of the revelations that have come out since then can be placed at the feet of these two Parties, and not the Democratic Party that would have benefited. It was the Libertarian and Green Parties, not the Democrats, that demanded that the will of the voters be respected.

A student gets the taser for asking a simple question.

But what's more frightening is the reaction of those in the audience who sat through the screams of the student being tasered, listening to Kerry who obviously became a man bereft of his senses.

The student was harassed even as he attempted to ask his question, referencing Greg Palast's work, 'Armed Madhouse.' Pointing out the huge disfranchisement of black voters that marked both of Bush's 'wins,' he asked Kerry, "How could you concede the election on the day?"

He asks why Kerry is not in favor of impeachment, then the students applaud when the police attack him at the microphone. From the video, it appears that he is literally picked up by the police and carried to the back of the room where he is put on the floor, handcuffed, tasered, carried out, and in the background one can hear Kerry talking--not trying to get the police officers to stop attacking the student--but blathering on, reminiscent of George Bush when the towers were hit.

No police officer should be in the business of denying Constitutional rights to anyone; I am particularly chagrined when it appears that a black police officer participated in this attack on an innocent student.

What is happening to us???? How much more will the people accept?? I was outraged as early as 2000 when Florida was stolen and the Democrats said nothing!!!! Now, innocent students get tasered just for asking questions.

What kind of US Senator do we have who can't or won't answer a question about his own election that affects all of us???

We must channel our efforts into the kind of movement that has been successful in the past in our country. A movement that unites us all, regardless of the labels usually used to divide us. We the people must run for office and vote the current, non-representative crew out of office. We must become the government that is supposed to represent us. It is time for all of us to become involved now. There is room for everyone in this movement. I shudder to think what our country will become if we fail to act."

If you haven't seen it yet, here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaiWCS10C5s

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070919

Sept. 19, 2007 -- Military in revolt over Iran attack plans

WMR has learned that the U.S. military is in virtual open revolt over plans by the Pentagon to conduct a massive military strike on Iran. The opposition is especially prevalent in the Navy, according to our sources.

Summarizing comments by military members up and down the chain of command, from junior enlisted ranks to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, they include the belief that the neocons in the Bush administration are "insane" and "crazy."

Meanwhile, Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, a former National Security Agency director, told Congress that espionage against the United States by China and Russia are now at Cold War levels. What McConnell did not state is that both nations are now required to use their intelligence assets to gauge the intentions of the highly-secretive Bush administration. The recent breakdown in the command and control of U.S. nuclear weapons has both Moscow and Beijing concerned about the political and military situations in the United States.

During the Cold War, the CIA used Kremlinologists and psychiatrists to ascertain the actions and intentions of the secretive Soviet political hierarchy. Today, Russia, China, India and other countries are employing "White House-ologists" to determine American plans. If McConnell wants to call that espionage, he is welcome but he is also misleading the Congress in order to justify his new Congressionally-granted massive surveillance powers.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070919_1

You Have To Know Something To Be Something

Submitted by Crank Bait on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:00am.

I am not certain that I believe that a person can legitimately call herself a Republican (or a Democrat) if said person cannot define filibuster.

It is not a word likely to be forgotten. It cannot be mistaken for any other word. It is (was) taught in fourth-grade civics and then every year thereafter in social studies, current events, American History, etc.

It's sorta like a person claiming to be Conservative without being able to define fiduciary.

______________

Disagree.

School's is bad. The schools where my sister's kids go in Jacksonville are complete shit. (She has since moved them to another school that's incrementally less shitty.)

You prolly went to a (correct me if I'm mistaken) fine Catholic school where the nuns mighta been a scourge to yer daily existence, but you gotta edumaction drillt into yer head.

Speakin' for myself, I went to a high school w/a (very few) good teachers and a buncha maroons. My history/"civics" teacher were a former jock who didn't know a filibuster from a football.

It showed. He was routinely corrected by his students, among them smart-ass punks (like me) who had nothing but contempt for him. He hated my guts, but he couldn't legally kill me, so there it is.

Now you can argue that folks oughtta take an interest in spite of their schoolin's deficiencies. But it ain't been my experience that the assumptions you makes about what gets taught in 'Murican schools is actually what gets taught.

(On the separate point of people callin' themselves something when they ain't got the first clue what bein' one is, I think the hist'ry of Christianity provides ample empirical proof that that never stopped a body from mountin' the hill 'n claimin' a flag falsely.)

fwiw

incontroversial proof
Submitted by air-ono on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:43am.

where heaven is...

(A discussion with the Member of the German Bundestag, Willy Wimmer (CDU) about the US-American, the European and the German relationship to Russia)

In what European countries do you see an interest in a good understanding with Russia, and what countries will rather follow the US-American way?

I believe that at the moment everything is on the move. The important question is, which societies can cope best with the challenges of our time. Economic questions arise. Perhaps everything is on the move in such a way that we have to consider them all at the same time.
I personally would advise not to set our hearts on the one or the other side only because at the moment we are witnessing a development in which on one side the American industry, the American global institutions very strongly push towards globalization, while on the other side there are strong tendencies in Washington to somehow secure the territory of its expansion. This means not to rely on globalization because the United States may possibly be the political losers in the globalization process. We see that the People’s Republic of China strongly relies on globalization, because it sees that it cannot solve the conflicts surrounding it other than by globalization and economic connections. The United States seem to pursue a tendency – and now I return to the anti-missile defence, the resistance against the Baltic Sea pipeline and other things – to secure the territory on the western side of Europe within their interest zone by driving Russia out. This, however, means that we must not rely on globalization. There is a discord in Washington, that we have to accept and that will have consequences for us. I do not mean to judge these developments; we simply have to accept them and try to get the most out of them while taking great care not to be ploughed under.

http://www.currentconcerns.ch/index.php?id=408

Many people regard an escalation in the relationship between the USA and Russia as highly dangerous for the whole world. How should Europe, how should Germany position itself, in order to counteract?

If we look at the Russian President Putin, we can say: He did not furnish Guantánamo; he did not wage any wars violating international law. He tries to articulate the interests of his country in such a way that he must be heard at the negotiating tables of the world. I have to consider that when dealing with this neighbour. He may be too powerful for my taste or too big, but he exists. In view of these facts we must give preference to an open relationship, that observes the proprieties, considers the contents, a relationship in which our own moral values are upheld in dealing with the Russian Federation.

CB just got a letter from AO that was mailed in april.

catch 35:

new law mandates notifying the victim when an assult case is released in the original jurisdiction.

the victimn is dead.

Myanmar: Buddhist monks join in anti-regime protests.
Submitted by Catharine on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:42am.

The other day I found that story (similar one about the monks) and I lost it and never found it...

Believe it or not that Israel story and this monk one stood out in my mind for some reason. The Israel one was the first one I saw this morning when I woke up and I thought "uh oh"...Anyway point being you reminded me of why I like Democracy Now because it seems like the stories and see that catch my attention seem to be on her show the next morning or day after sometimes...it's uncanny..so that's why I stick with that show mostly...

"the victimn is dead."

well that wasn't me

dr: "(On the separate point of people callin' themselves something when they ain't got the first clue what bein' one is, I think the hist'ry of Christianity provides ample empirical proof that that never stopped a body from mountin' the hill 'n claimin' a flag falsely."

***

If you don't mind me askin'... did you go to public school and what decade was it?

I like her, thanks for posting that one too.

there is no hell...

EVERYBODY gets to go to heaven!

gays, weirdo's, muslims, assholes even politicians and corporate dweebs.

Submitted by Alice on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:36am.
What were civics classes like?
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I don't remember the true order and/or hierarchy of the various classes. I suppose that they can be made to be whatever an instructor using a textbook wants them to be? I may have taken Civics, Government, Social Studies (a broad subject), World History, American History and Citizenship at one time or another and more than once over the years.

When I transferred to public school, I was several years ahead so I snoozed through most of the classes. I remember one backwoods asshole who made us memorize the capitals of the fifty states. We had to score forty out of fifty to pass the class. I still consider that class and that instructor and his curriculum to be a waste of a significant portion of my life...but I know that Pierre is the capital of South Dakota and that it is pronounced Pier...and I never, ever have any use for that knowledge. (I think that South Dakota has fewer than a million residents, so it isn't exactly a mover and a shaker.)

incontroversial proof
Submitted by air-ono on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:52am.

where heaven is...

You're right. It's a great show.

How, Jim?!

is that you can't lie about anything in heaven because everyone can read yer spirit mind.

i wanna hang out with st pete just to see the shocked faces when they find out about that little detail.

"new law mandates notifying the victim when an assult case is released in the original jurisdiction."

So I guess we need to do a seance?

had a heart attack.

speed freak and a drunk, no wonder.

that's why he stiffed CB for the rent and utilities for three months...

don't fall asleep

did he get my 50 bucks

karma ..... Oooooooohmmmmmsssssss

and pushed off a cliff

...the Rajah has an iron-clad alibi.

i'm more concerned about global warming.

incontroversial proof of global warming:

(Pier is the pronunciation?)...

See. It was useful, because now I know it too.

Sept. 19, 2007 -- Bobby Kennedy's "Oh, shit!" moment

WMR has obtained declassified national security documents from the Kennedy administration that give a insight into the reaction to the fact that a U-2 flight launched over Cuba on October 14, 1962 discovered the presence of a Soviet SS-4 missile site in San Cristobal.

The minutes and memoranda of meetings between top national security officials show that the U-2s discovery of Soviet missiles in Cuba reflected an intelligence failure by the United States. One memo, dated October 15, 1962, indicates the first knowledge of the missiles came from the "latest readout from Cuban U-2 photography" that indicated "initial deployment of Medium Range Ballistic Missiles."

An acting Director of Central Intelligence memo dated October 16, 1962, outlined proposed plans to deal with Cuba. A "Special Group (Augmented)" met at 9:30 am in the White House situation room. The memo states the group "proposed nine various sabotage actions" that "received general approval except for those having a flavor of 'naval warfare' which appeared to need a closer look." The memo states, "all were approved with the exception of one" on October 17, 1962.

At an 11:45 am National Security Council meeting at the White House, President Kennedy "authorized as many U-2 flights as necessary."

At 1430 (2:30 pm), Attorney General Robert Kennedy attended a MONGOOSE meeting and expressed "'general dissatisfaction of the President' with Operation MONGOOSE." MONGOOSE, a covert operations program directed against Cuba, was the other name for the Cuba Project that included Operation NORTHWOODS, a series of false flag terrorist attacks on U.S. and foreign targets that would be blamed on Cuba.

The interesting item in the October 16 acting DCI memo is that the sentence about Kennedy's feelings about MONGOOSE was altered. The sentence originally read that Robert Kennedy expressed the "general satisfaction of the President" with MONGOOSE. MONGOOSE was run by General Edward Landsdale.

An October 16, 1962 memo is a transcript of a conversation between General Marshall Carter, director of the National Security Agency, and Roger Hilsman, the Director of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research.

Carter told Hilsman that he understood that Hilsman had to tell Secretary of State Dean Rusk about a "tremendous failure on the part of U.S. intelligence" concerning the failure to previously detect the Soviet missiles in Cuba. Carter told Hilsman, "you should also know that Dean Rusk, at the meeting this morning, said, substantially along these lines, 'This is really no surprise, Mr. McCone alerted us to it in mid-August.'" McCone is John McCone, the CIA director. What is fascinating is that McCone apparently had his own intelligence sources that told him about the Soviet missiles in Cuba but that somehow this information never reached President Kennedy or Attorney General Bobby Kennedy.

Hilsman replies to Carter: "none of us, with the exception of McCone, really expected this" and that none of State's Sovietologists expected to discover the missiles in Cuba. Carter replies, "none of our people [NSA] did either."

Carter told Hilsman: "Nobody expected it except Mr. McCone. Incidentally, if there isn't any secretary listening on your line, you'd be interested in Bobby's reaction -- Oh, s---!" [shit].

Carter then says none of NSA's "psychiatrists" expected the Soviet missiles to be discovered.

The SS-4 MRBMs did not arrive in Cuba until September 8, 1962 yet the Carter-Hilsman transcript describes McCone as having "it pegged" in August and alerting Dean Rusk to the shipment of missiles in "mid-August."

A June 18, 1975, letter from the CIA to James Wilderotter, President Gerald Ford's Associate Counsel, who requested all CIA files on MONGOOSE, states that "the attached memoranda and files, this collection of papers is incomplete, fragmentary, and by no means a coherent account of MONGOOSE or anything else."

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070919_2

On The Bright Side...
Submitted by Crank Bait on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 1:05am.
...the Rajah has an iron-clad alibi.

they're either crotchless

or the chicks had bigger flaps in those days

: )

If you see or hear DN soon, check out how sincere Juan Gonzales sounds just when he says Good Morning to Everyone and the World... (something like that, I should look it up..)

dr: "...(On the separate point of people callin' themselves something when they ain't got the first clue what bein' one is, I think the hist'ry of Christianity provides ample empirical proof that that never stopped a body from mountin' the hill 'n claimin' a flag falsely.)"
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In the original post, I started writing an analogy as evidence to support my argument. The analogy was of a Christian calling him/herself a Christian while not knowing...at this point I realized that the analogy was sinking my argument instead of making it float, so I abandoned it.

Sometimes when I am doing my debate gunslinging, I shoot more holes in my guys than anywhere else. That's why it is so much better to formulate an argument in text; I can delete before I am obligated to backtrack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7000000/newsi...

Sept. 19, 2007 -- The CIA's "Houston files" shed light on Bush's backyard

WMR has discovered a Rotary Club of Houston letter, [second page] dated April 21, 1976, written to George H. W. Bush's deputy director of the CIA General Vernon Walters inviting him to address the Rotary Club of Houston. The letter indicates that Walters had, a few weeks earlier, addressed the Rotary Club of River Oaks, Houston's most affluent community. WMR has learned that the Bank of River Oaks was "Bush's bank" in the 1970s. The bank reportedly catered to wealthy customers, many of whom were Bush's closest friends and business associates.

The letter to Walters from the Rotary's program chairman also states: "I am sure Director George Bush would recommend our rostrum highly for its excellent coverage of influential Houstonians." [emphasis added]

Walters later became the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations in the Reagan administration.

The senior Bush lives in Tanglewood, near River Oaks. And River Oaks was the residence of the late Enron chairman Ken Lay, a longtime Bush financial backer. The River Oaks Country Club has long been a hangout for Bush Sr. and Barbara Bush.

The presence of Bush's number two man at the CIA in River Oaks is an indicator that Bush was linking the intelligence agency to the business elite in Houston, particularly the oil industry. It is likely a major reason why Bush was perturbed that President Jimmy Carter did not keep Bush on as his CIA director in 1977, an event that infuriated Bush with Carter and likely led to the October Surprise "arms-for-no-hostages" deal that Bush, William Casey, Robert Gates and others engineered with the Ayatollah Khomeini's government to ensure that Carter was embarrassed by his failure to secure the release of the U.S. hostages in Iran before the 1980 election.

It is believed that Bush, Casey, and others, including active CIA agents, conspired to illegally transport weapons to Iran in October 1980 to hold a hostage release until after the election. According to a November 16, 1986 Washington Post article, CIA Director Stansfield Turner, who had sent many of Bush's cronies packing after taking over at Langley, was negotiating through middlemen, including independent presidential candidate John Anderson, the possible provision of spare F-4 and F-14 parts to Iran in return for the hostages' release before the election. The deal was being worked out with Iranian President Abol Hassan Bani-Sadr and would entail Iran's release of U.S. charge d'affaires Bruce Laingen as a show of good faith before the spare parts delivery.

However, the Bush conspiracy beat Carter to the Iranians. It is now believed that the SS Poet sailed from Philadelphia to Iran carrying weapons in its rear cargo hold. And the weapons may have included Phoenix missiles for Iran's F-14s, a shipment the Carter administration flatly refused to send to Iran. After delivering its cargo, the Poet and its crew of 34 American merchant mariners was reportedly "disappeared" to eliminate any traces of the secret Bush weapons shipment. The Coast Guard maintained that the Poet simply vanished at sea without a trace.

The close proximity of the Navy's Aviation Supply Office in northeast Philadelphia to Girard Point Piers, from where the Poet sailed on October 24, 1980, is a possible explanation for the choice of Philadelphia as the point of departure. The Poet suspiciously spent three days at another Girard Point pier before moving to the grain-loading Pier 3 to take on the cargo of corn, allegedly destined for Port Said, Egypt. The Poet's rear cargo hold was welded shut making it impossible for customs inspectors to examine its contents before departure.

The CIA maintained a copy of a UPI report from May 25, 1984 that stated: "Telephone logs from the 1980 Reagan campaign suggest the Republican camp may have obtained military intelligence on the movement of U.S. hostages in Iran from a Senate aide, a House subcommittee report says."

The report continues: "The hostage information, found in the logs of Reagan campaign adviser Richard Allen, is mentioned in the same notes in which Allen scrawled the telephone number of Angelo Codevilla, a Republican aide to the Senate Intelligence Committee." The information contained in the notes on the U.S. hostages in Iran was "Secret." Codevilla worked for Republican Wyoming Senator Malcolm Wallop.

The UPI report suggests that the Reagan campaign was trying to "head off an 'October Surprise' by President Carter."

The UPI report also quotes a House subcommittee report: "In an interview with House subcommittee investigators, Codevilla acknowledged being aware that active agents of the CIA worked for George Bush's primary presidential campaign, before he became Reagan's running mate."

WMR has previously reported on the links between Oceaneering International, the firm that helped the senior Bush spirit Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos' gold out of the Philippines to Bush financial tranches in the United States, Switzerland, and the Isle of Man. The Houston-based firm, in which Federal Judge Mark Fuller of Alabama, has a vested interest, was also of interest to the former Soviet Union. A CIA Foreign Broadcast Information Service translation of a Soviet paper titled "World Ocean Exploration and Engineering Problems," edited by A. I. Voznesensky and dated October 2, 1980, states that "thousands of divers are engaged in underwater engineering operations. In the North Sea alone about 2000 divers are engaged in marine extraction of petroleum and gas." The paper then cites one of the firms of interest: "Oceaneering International (United States)."

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070919_3

Submitted by Catharine on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:53am.

If you don't mind me askin'... did you go to public school and what decade was it?

________________

Public school in northern Michigan. (Everyone is astonished, I'm sure, by my hick roots.) Graduated in '86.

Didn't know nothin' from nothin' 'bout the world apart from hunting, fishing 'n sports. And the imaginative world a readin', I guess. (Hadn't never met anyone that were Jewish, e.g. Why, I didn't even discover "Jewish girls give the best blowjobs" till college; my girlfriend in college were from Brooklyn, 'n she tolt me that, which turned out to be a common sayin' on the campus (U. of Mich); she hadda proprietary interest in upholdin' the reputation, I guess, but I reckon, lookin' back, that Jewish girls were simply more forthright 'n had fewer hang-ups about sexuality, specially compared to some of the Christian 'n Muslim girls.)

Far's high school goes, we hadda exemplary math teacher at my high school (she were a whirlin' dervish dynamo 'n really cared 'bout her students, tho' alla her concern couldn't prevent Calculus from bein' my Waterloo; my brother was kind'uva math prodigy -- self-taught computer programmer later in life, now veep of a company, flies all over the world as the go-to Mr. Fix-It-Make-It-Right guy, this after spendin' time in the cooler when he were a young ne'er-do-well -- so he actually held over Roz on a coupla occasions, but she were proud, not defensive 'bout it). She were a tough broad, but one fine person/teacher.

Can't think of another teacher (in high school) who were more'n sorta just barely acceptable.

he darker

slimmed down

and more contemplative...

"damn, another month in this hell-hole"

Submitted by Alice on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 1:07am.
(Pier is the pronunciation?)...
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Yeah. Like the thing you tie your boat to. I probably should have used peer as an example instead. The capital is Pierre (like Pee-Air in France) but the South Dakota pronunciation is peer.

When I lived in the Virgin Islands, I subcontracted to a guy from Pierre (actually, he is from just outside of Pierre). When we first met, he was pretty stunned that I could pronounce it correctly.

Worthless Trivia

Submitted by Crank Bait on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 1:24am.

When I lived in the Virgin Islands, I subcontracted to a guy from Pierre (actually, he is from just outside of Pierre). When we first met, he was pretty stunned that I could pronounce it correctly.

_________________

Hey, at least Dale Carnegie would be proud.

A/O did you ever read Don Quixote?

Submitted by Alice on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 1:25am.

____________

If not, as el gran hidalgo sez:

"I [you] must now go do what all men must do."

Submitted by Kevin © on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:44am.
...When I was in HS you had certain things you needed too passed to graduate...
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I let this slide the first time around but I had to go back for another laugh. (I swear that I'm not making this up.)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

no i didn't

:)

Roman is cleaning two kittens and Eva is cleaning Tambu and Bunni and Louis and Tiny are sleeping..LaLa is just staring at me from the floor with a miffed look she does...Oddly, that Brindel cat who I've still only pet when she isn't looking is pretty close to me on a chair...that's a new one...

I got it a few days before you said you were going to read it..then you disappeared (Remember, Jerry, Dentyne? :)....anyway.. I was thinking of reading it if you did..but this is the sort of book you literally have to read at a library table..or some table..you can't hold it up or read it in bed or anything...too big and heavy...Tell me if you start it..I'll read some of mine too..

i'm tired and don't care 8-)

Washington Post
Webb's troop-rest bill blocked as Warner changes mind
The Virginian-Pilot - 1 hour ago

Gotta general interest question for all.

Hadda ideer 'bout a skit usin' pseudonymous blog names, i.e., specifically, them ones what's found here on this blog.

Put 'bout an hour into it 'n it kept expandin' in possibilities. Kinda likin' where it's a-goin' 'n were havin' fun w/it.

It's sorta in the spirit of "Who's on first?", and while it ain't that grand, I take comfort 'n consolation in knowin' nothin' is.

So. Would anyone:

a. have any innerest in readin' somethin' like that? 'n
b. be offended by havin' a bit a sport w/their blog name?

I reckon it's all in the spirit of tomfoolishness, but a body never knows what a person's like to take offense at.

So. Any innerest? Or any strong objections?

Lemme know [soon] or forever hold yer piece. I ain't sure if I'll finish it or not, but here's surely yer chance to put a stop to it.

Iran Leader Denied Bid to Visit Ground Zero
New York Times - 1 hour ago

you folks as always. I'm out for the night, early day tomorrow.

Anglican stance on gay bishops is put to test in Chicago
Chicago Tribune - 36 minutes ago

As Episcopal bishops begin historic talks with their spiritual leader Thursday on whether the worldwide Anglican Church can overcome differences about homosexuality, many point to Chicago as proof that minds are already made up.

no i won't tell you

yes i object

a. have any innerest in readin' somethin' like that? 'n
-YES

b. be offended by havin' a bit a sport w/their blog name?
-NO

Any innerest?
-YES

Or any strong objections?
-NO

yes it was good reading me

yes you are a public school, kevin

no...
Submitted by air-ono on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 1:49am.

no i won't tell you

you over-edited my objection post

yes i am k.

Submitted by dr on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 1:51am.
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Two words: Royalties and residuals.

You think this nick is an accident?

Two words, not counting "and". (Math isn't my strong suit.)

lol @ small world

my next post:

yes...

yes there is a pattern emerging

Think this leap-post-frog gambit might just qualify for Crank's edit-function evil-prankster ideer.

(Sgt. Schulz: "I know *nothink*!")

Goodnight, Fernando.

(i agree)

the check is always in the mail...

no, wait

i object

yes, i object

Submitted by Nobody on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 1:56am.

You think this nick is an accident?

___________

Nope.

B'lieve I is heard its origins before, Nobs.

What I started tain't nothin' to do w/personalities.

Purely havin' sport w/the names themselves.

It's kittenish mild, I assure you 'n all.

yes my nic is an accident

an accident that happened by foul play and chance, i say

did i hear someone say kittenish?

can it be true?

kittenish!

could it be...

who would dare say kittenish?

doth my ear deceive me?

yes!

get over it

Pro di immortales!

(Good Heavens!)

"A voice said, Look me in the stars"

Over 800 of our young men and women have died in Iraq since the Democrats took control of Congress on January 4th. Tell Congress to stop the double-speak about not having 60 votes in the Senate. All money bills originate in the House. The Democrats have a majority in the House. If the House appropriates only enough funds to insure the safe and rapid removal of our troops from Iraq, the war will essentially be over. If the Senate Republicans kill the bill, or if Bush vetoes the measure, then there are zero funds for Iraq, and the war will end.
Tell Congress to listen to the people. Stop funding the war. End this tragic war NOW. JCL

hark!

nobody approacheth...

the fly that descends upon the potato salad, i say

Well, I's gotta slap another coat a paint on upstairs.

Pink is a fine color, take it all around, but it ain't my cup a gumbo for interior decoratin'. (Sorry, Tracy.)

Night, owls.

The nick begs for just that sort of gag...

Just saying...

we're not living in elizabethan times, doc

no ones gonna challenge you to a duel

hark!

(hold thy tongue, hasty one)

nobody approacheth...

the fly that...

(oi)

don't taseth me, bro

Wheelchair-Bound Woman Dies After Being Shocked With Taser 10 Times

A Clay County woman's family said it's seeking justice after their loved one died shortly after being shocked 10 times with Taser guns during a confrontation with police.

[an edit is in order]

Run away the ray-gun is coming : We test US army's new secret weapon

Silent Guardian is making waves in defence circles. Built by the U.S. firm Raytheon, it is part of its "Directed Energy Solutions" programme.
One thing is certain: not just the Silent Guardian, but weapons such as the Taser, the electric stun-gun, are being rolled out by Britain's police forces as the new way of controlling people by using pain.

And, as the Raytheon chaps all insist, you always have the option to get out of the way (just as you have the option to comply with the police officer's demands and not get Tasered).

But there is a problem: mission creep. This is the Americanism which describes what happens when, over time, powers or techniques are used to ends not stated or even imagined when they were devised.

gotta work

now I have to look up that file... I thought I could just do...but didn't work ... so better find file ... eye-roll...
speaking about rats ...... they are cute and sweet... and I love my little GEMS, from the parents Karma and Dharma, which they passed away of old age.

wolves11-1.jpg picture by Druid-666 ... I'll read instructions soon ...eye-roll.

Fox anchor: 'officers should be commended' for tasering student

Kerry UF Taser Protest 18/09/07
new
Submitted by Nobody on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 2:29am.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING. YEA VERILY! Yippie.
Oh today is the Night of the Day of and for Pirates. Y'aar Matey.

Yea...."...that is what UNIVERSITIES ARE SUPPOSE BE ALL ABOUT (or doing)" from video, and what I was bitch'n 'bout yesterday YIPPIE!

Tasers not that safe

Medical examiners have found that Taser electric stun guns may have played a role in at least five deaths, contradicting the manufacturer's claim that the weapons never killed or injured anyone, a newspaper reported Sunday.

that got me at least to REGISTAR on photabucket or whatever. ;)

are well known to never panic...

Police Accused Of Firing Taser At Pregnant Bride

are well known to never panic...

UK: now police are told they can use Taser guns on children

is well known for it's restraint...

Pentagon orders Taser stun guns

The initial order is part of a five-year contract that could worth more than $22.7 million, Taser said. Shipment of the Tasers will be completed in the third quarter of 2007, the company added.

is a failure to communicate.

UCLA Police Taser Student For Not Showing ID

Police Tasered truant girl, 12

Police officer uses taser on handcuffed 9-year-old girl

scaring the bejesus out of an officer?

Police Taser Pregnant Driver

by Police or some general statement (assults by police using Tasers ...and h3 came up with 3 million plus hits ...
I think I might turn in for a few befor eith Cenk on TYT or Bill Press. C-Ya

and thank you again regarding showing the Student March. Now I will have pleasant dreams.

:)
Link-Click on Russ's Widget!-to the Right

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I just came back, since I heard of this but never seen, "Police Taser Pregnant Driver".

;)

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Police+Taser+Pregnant+Driver&mkt=e...

Did anyone ever get the Audio link to Sam,and Marc Maron??
Been out of the loop for a day or two..... Thanks! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Teen dies after being shot by stun gun

A teenager carrying a Bible and shouting "I want Jesus" was shot twice with a police stun gun and later died at a St. Louis hospital, authorities said.

Careful what you ask for?
Submitted by Nobody on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 3:24am.
Teen dies after being shot by stun gun

A teenager carrying a Bible and shouting "I want Jesus"

I believe they left some out info from story... he was calling for his mother...
another case was to an autistic child ... to control since he was running naked outside, the mother called for some help by the police...they, the police, couldn't control, so they tased him. The last words the mother heard was Mommy, mommy the're killing me. Then he went unconscious and they said he died on way to hospital ... but the mother said he died before, on the ground when the police were tasing him.

C-Ya in a few hours ::yawn:: (don't ask).
; Boo ;)

Re: I saw that DC
Submitted by DigitalComponents on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 11:29pm.
Thanks.

If you like his stuff, please pass it along to any interested parties you might know.

He's been despondent of late, The Webb/Hagel Troop Amendment getting shot down today was no help, and he could use some reassurance that he's not laboring alone in the dark.

For my money, he's this generation's answer to Jules Feiffer, only with more bite and less snark.

~Nyc W. Alberts
Fox News... We Report... You Deride
*******
He does Good Stuff!! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

.

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Standing on One Principle, Voting on Another

By Dana Milbank
Thursday, September 20, 2007; Page A02

To paraphrase the immortal words of John Kerry, Sen. John Warner actually did vote to shorten the Iraq war before he voted to lengthen it.

Just two months ago, the courtly Virginia Republican went to the Senate floor and sided with his Democratic colleague from the commonwealth, Jim Webb, on a plan that would shorten troop deployments in Iraq. Yesterday, he went to the same place to announce that he would now vote against the same bill.

"I endorsed it," Warner said. "I intend now to cast a vote against it."

With those dozen words, the former chairman of the Armed Services Committee put a surprise end to the latest efforts in Congress to limit the Iraq war.

Democrats had been hoping that Warner, who last month endorsed the start of a pullout from Iraq, would bring enough Republicans with him to vote for their best plan to accelerate the troop withdrawal: Webb's plan to limit the troops' deployments. But this effort, like previous ones, ended in failure.

"Senator Webb's amendment, I would say without any equivocation, is designed to help protect the concept of the all-volunteer force, and it was for that reason that I joined him," Warner explained in his discursive floor statement, which led to the conclusion that "I will have to cast a vote against my good friend's amendment."

Pro-war Republicans, who had been grumbling about Warner's perfidy for weeks, suddenly celebrated him as an American hero.

"Having now decided to change his vote on this particular amendment is of monumental importance and is the type of decision that makes all of us proud to serve in this great institution," Sen. Saxby Chambliss (Ga.) pronounced.

Webb was rather less pleased to discover that Warner had retreated from their shared foxhole. The White House "turned up the political heat, and that made people, like particularly Senator Warner, uncomfortable," he deduced.

And when did Webb learn of the betrayal? "Um," Webb replied, "he told me five minutes before the debate began this morning."

Webb should not have been surprised.

In January, Warner drafted a Senate resolution opposing President Bush's "surge" of additional troops into Iraq. Then, on Feb. 5, he voted against bringing up his own resolution for debate. The surge went ahead, unmolested. In the spring, Warner repeatedly flirted with opposition to Bush, but each time he returned to the fold.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/19/AR200709...

Webb's Righteous Amendment
Submitted by Digby on September 18, 2007 - 10:07pm.

The best thing about the grey eminence John Warner finally leaving the Senate is that he will no longer be around to play Lucy pulling the football away from the Democrats at the last minute any more. For some reason, the political establishment persists in seeing him as some sort of independent player when he has actually been one of the more destructive forces in the Congress, using his status as elder statesman to give cover over and over again to the worst excesses of the GOP.

Last fall the Democratic leaders in the Senate allowed Sens. Warner, Lindsay Graham and John McCain to negotiate the Destroy Habeas Corpus Act (also known as the Military Commissions Act) with the White House. High-fives were exchanged all around at what a brilliant idea it was to have the great and good Warner, the torture victim McCain and the always reasonable Graham stand up to the White House and force an internecine battle to save the Constitution on behalf of decent people everywhere. Except, as any sentient person could have predicted (and did!) Warner, McCain and Graham "caved." And the result was one of the lowest points in modern congressional history. (Senators Dodd and Leahy are going to try to get it restored this week.)

Now we find that one of the great statesman Warner's last acts may be to pull the football out from under Virginia Sen. Jim Webb, whose amendment to allow the military a decent interval between deployments is coming up for a vote. Like clockwork, Warner, who had supported the bill is now saying that he may not since the Bush administration has agreed to his propaganda ploy to bring home a handful of troops for a big Christmas pageant, (which I'm sure the president, the vice president and Senator Warner will milk for all its worth.) You could make big money in Vegas by betting on Warner to stab Democrats in the back every time and take some cheap shiny trinket from the White House as a reward.

The Webb Amendment is a powerful piece of legislation, backed by the Military Officers Association and many military families who are seeing their loved ones deployed over and over again until their marriages and their finances are at a breaking point. Although it may serve to force the administration to withdraw troops more quickly than they wish to, this is not a political ploy. Even before the surge, experts said that the Iraq war was breaking the military. Now it is far worse. Someone has to step in and do something about this problem and it's obvious it isn't going to be the Republican party.

Until today, it was looking very promising that Webb might get the 60 votes needed to override a filibuster. Vulnerable Republicans and those in states with a heavy military presence heard an earful from their constituents on this subject over the summer recess. But with His Eminence Warner now making little whimpering noises that he will accept the useless little Christmas sugar plum from the White House instead of backing it, he may give cover to enough wavering Republicans to derail this popular, necessary legislation.

This is one Iraq vote for which the Democrats should enthusiastically go to the mat. If it requires them putting the cloture vote up every single day, so be it. As Mark Kleiman suggests:

If the Republicans want to filibuster, fine. Don't pull the amendment. Just let them keep filibustering. As long as the amendment is on the floor, there can be no vote on the bill itself. Keep calling cloture votes, one per day. After a few days, start asking how long the Republicans intend to withhold money to fund troops in the field in order to pursue their petty partisan agenda.

If the Republicans in the Senate hold firm, it's their stubbornness that's holding up the bill. If they fold, and the bill gets to the President's desk and he vetoes it, then pass the same damned bill again. And start asking how long the President intends to block funding for troops in the field in order to pursue his petty partisan agenda.

As of October 1, there's no money to fund the war. So the usual move is to pass a continuing resolution, which keeps the money flowing until the appropriation passes. Fine. Pass a continuing resolution with the Webb Amendment attached. If the CR runs into a filibuster or a veto, ask how long ...

Really, this isn't very hard. With the voters overwhelmingly interested in getting us the hell out of Iraq, the Democrats can make full use of the power of the purse without worrying about a backlash, especially with Webb as the public face of the campaign.

http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/webbs_righteous_amendment?tx=3

China's Hot Stock: Orwell Inc.

By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, September 19, 2007; Page A23

The American economy may be teetering on the brink of a recession, but there's an industry our hedge fund gurus believe has an almost limitless future: the Chinese police state.

In a stunning report in the New York Times last week, correspondent Keith Bradsher documented the rise of China's electronic surveillance industry, whose leading companies have incorporated themselves in the United States and obtained the lion's share of their capital from U.S. hedge funds. Though ostensibly private, these companies are a for-profit adjunct of the Chinese government.

Li Runsen, technology director of the government's ministry of public security and the top cop policing China's Internet usage against the occasional appearance of a dangerous idea, now also moonlights as a director of China Security and Surveillance Technology, a company soon to be listed on the New York Stock Exchange.

CSST, according to Terence Yap, its chief financial officer, produces security cameras and computer software that can monitor crosswalks -- to ensure that demonstrations aren't forming -- and cross-check the faces of Internet cafe users against photos of known troublemakers. Thus will China protect itself against potential terrorists.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/18/AR200709...

Rep. Lynn Woolsey (CA); Rep. Barbara Lee (CA); Rep. Maxine Waters (CA); Rep. Ellen Tauscher (CA); Rep. Rush Holt (NJ); Rep. Maurice Hinchey (NY); Rep. Diane Watson (CA); Rep. Ed Pastor (AZ); Rep. Barney Frank (MA); Rep. Danny Davis (IL); Rep. John Conyers (MI); Rep. John Hall (NY); Rep. Bob Filner (CA); Rep. Nydia Velazquez (NY); Rep. Bobby Rush (IL); Rep. Charles Rangel (NY); Rep. Ed Towns (NY); Rep. Paul Hodes (NH); Rep. William Lacy Clay (MO); Rep. Earl Blumenauer (OR); Rep. Albert Wynn (MD); Rep. Bill Delahunt (MA); Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC); Rep. G. K. Butterfield (NC); Rep. Hilda Solis (CA); Rep. Carolyn Maloney (NY); Rep. Jerrold Nadler (NY); Rep. Michael Honda (CA); Rep. Steve Cohen (TN); Rep. Phil Hare (IL); Rep. Grace Flores Napolitano (CA); Rep. Alcee Hastings (FL); Rep. James McGovern (MA); Rep. Marcy Kaptur (OH); Rep. Jan Schakowsky (IL); Rep. Julia Carson (IN); Rep. Linda Sanchez (CA); Rep. Raul Grijalva (AZ); Rep. John Olver (MA); Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (TX); Rep. Jim McDermott (WA); Rep. Ed Markey (MA); Rep. Chaka Fattah (PA); Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. (NJ); Rep. Rubin Hinojosa (TX); Rep. Pete Stark (CA); Rep. Bobby Scott (VA); Rep. Jim Moran (VA); Rep. Betty McCollum (MN); Rep. Jim Oberstar (MN); Rep. Diana DeGette (CO); Rep. Stephen Lynch (MA); Rep. Artur Davis (AL); Rep. Hank Johnson (GA); Rep. Donald Payne (NJ); Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (MO); Rep. John Lewis (GA); Rep. Yvette Clarke (NY); Rep. Neil Abercrombie (HI); Rep. Gwen Moore (WI); Rep. Keith Ellison (MN); Rep. Tammy Baldwin (WI); Rep. Donna Christensen (USVI); Rep. David Scott (GA); Rep. Luis Gutierrez (IL); Lois Capps (CA); Steve Rothman (NJ); Elijah Cummings (MD); and Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX).
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UPDATE: Reps. Chris Murphy and Jesse Jackson, Jr., makes 72.

UPDATE: Reps. Watt, Brown (FL), Thompson, and Meeks makes 76.

UPDATE: Reps. Weiner and Loebsack makes 78.

UPDATE: Rep. Kucinich makes 79.

UPDATE: Peter DeFazio makes 80.
Con't

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Bloodied 70-year-old woman cuffed for having a brown lawn

OREM, Utah (AP) -- A 70-year-old woman arrested in a dispute over her brown lawn pleaded not guilty Tuesday, then stood by as a Los Angeles lawyer waved handcuffs for the cameras outside court.

Betty Perry is charged with resisting arrest and failing to maintain her landscaping, both misdemeanors.

She was arrested July 6 after failing to give her name to a police officer who visited her home.

During a struggle, Perry fell and injured her nose. She spent more than an hour in a holding cell before police released her.

by Donald L. Barlett and James B. Steele, Vanity Fair
October 1st, 2007

(The simple truth about the missing money is the same one that applies to so much else about the American occupation of Iraq. The U.S. government never did care about accounting for those Iraqi billions and it doesn't care now. It cares only about ensuring that an accounting does not occur.)

Between April 2003 and June 2004, $12 billion in U.S. currency--much of it belonging to the Iraqi people--was shipped from the Federal Reserve to Baghdad, where it was dispensed by the Coalition Provisional Authority. Some of the cash went to pay for projects and keep ministries afloat, but, incredibly, at least $9 billion has gone missing, unaccounted for, in a frenzy of mismanagement and greed. Following a trail that leads from a safe in one of Saddam's palaces to a house near San Diego, to a P.O. box in the Bahamas, the authors discover just how little anyone cared about how the money was handled.

Hidden in plain sight, 10 miles west of Manhattan, amid a suburban community of middle-class homes and small businesses, stands a fortress-like building shielded by big trees and lush plantings behind an iron fence. The steel-gray structure, in East Rutherford, New Jersey, is all but invisible to the thousands of commuters who whiz by every day on Route 17. Even if they noticed it, they would scarcely guess that it is the largest repository of American currency in the world.

Officially, 100 Orchard Street is referred to by the acronym EROC, for the East Rutherford Operations Center of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The brains of the New York Fed may lie in Manhattan, but XEROC is the beating heart of its operations-pa secretive, heavily guarded compound where the bank processes checks, makes wire transfers, and receives and ships out its most precious commodity: new and used paper money.

On Tuesday, June 22, 2004, a tractor-trailer truck turned off Route 17 onto Orchard Street, stopped at a guard station for clearance, and then entered the EROC compound. What happened next would have been the stuff of routine--procedures followed countless times. Inside an immense three-story cavern known as the currency vault, the truck's next cargo was made ready for shipment. With storage space to rival a Wal-Mart's, the currency vault can reportedly hold upwards of $60 billion in cash. Human beings don't perform many functions inside the vault, and few are allowed in; a robotic system, immune to human temptation, handles everything. On that Tuesday in June the machines were especially busy. Though accustomed to receiving and shipping large quantities of cash, the vault had never before processed a single order of this magnitude: $2.4 billion in $100 bills.
Con't

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What a Loser !!

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good morning yourll

We can have universal health care. It will be just like automobile insurance. The government can take the payment right out of your checking account. The more wrecks you have the more you pay. If you don't see a doctor in 3 years you start to get a discount. People have not been buying the insurance, Hillary's plan will help them to get started.

Bush Dog Brian Baird Feeling More Pressure at Home
by: Matt Stoller
Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 18:59:47 PM EDT

Win without War's Tom Andrews and Lt. General (USA, Ret.) Robert Gard announced a town hall meeting in Vancouver tomorrow. And so today we learn that Baird is doing one as well.

U.S. Rep. Brian Baird said today he'll hold a town-hall meeting in Olympia at the end of the week, giving local residents their first chance to quiz him about his position in support of keeping U.S. troops in Iraq longer. The event is at 7 p.m. Friday evening at Capital High School on Olympia's west side. Baird is under increasing fire from anti-war critics, who plan their own town hall meeting in Vancouver on Thursday evening. The anti-Baird meeting is at Fort Vancouver High in Vancouver.
Baird is a weird, smart, and manipulative politician. He thinks that pretending to listen while holding firm on supporting Bush will matter to his constituents.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1452

If you live in Vancouver, let him know it doesn't.

Took awhile to get on and I had to reset my signin.

Tons of people in Jena Louisiana.

Hundreds join Jena 6 rally in Louisiana By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 9 minutes ago

JENA, La. - Hundreds of people dressed in black, from college students to veterans of the civil rights movements, boarded buses bound for Jena and a rally Thursday in support of six black teenagers who were initially charged with attempted murder in the beating of a white classmate.

The Rev. Al Sharpton said it could be the beginning of the 21st century's civil rights movement, one that would challenge disparities in the justice system.

"You cannot have justice meted out based on who you are rather than what you did," Sharpton told CBS's "The Early Show."

The six were charged a few months after the local prosecutor declined to charge three white high school students who hung nooses in a tree on their high school grounds. Five were initially charged with attempted murder; the sixth was charged as a juvenile.

"Six black kids indicted as adults for attempted murder, and the weapons charged in the indictment is their sneakers, this is the most blatant example of disparity in the justice system that we've seen," Sharpton said Thursday. "You can't have two standards of justice

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_re_us/school_fight_10;_ylt=AsK...

I thought we had a Blog Virus!

Viva La Jena 6 ! :)

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Did you hear Cenk run his mouth about Middle East politics this morning. Sounded like a mindless hawk. Shut the fuck up, Cenk, Orospu Cocugu.

"You see those mountains?" he asked softly. "Impossible to reach, the greatest of them. Just so do men stare at justice and righteousness. An unattainable goal, but one which we must always keep in our sight. Or we will drown in the madness of the pit."

He puffed his cheeks, and then blew out the breath slowly. "It's a pity, all things considered, that democracy doesn't work," he mused. "But the Greeks proved that, along with so much else. Smartest people in the world, Greeks. Who else would be deluded enough to try running a country with no king?"

He shook his head sadly. "All they ever did was fight and bicker and squabble. Endless wars between petty states—never could run more than a city, at best!—and all for nothing. Ruin and destruction—just read Thucydides." Another shake of his head. "Finally, of course, sensible people like the great Philip of Macedon put an end to the silly business."

Still staring at the mountains, Ousanas sighed heavily. "Got to have kings, and emperors, and the whole lot of puffed-up pigeons. No way around it. Somebody's got to give the orders."

spied on again....

yeah viva la jena 6, for real!!!!

Sorry, got a phone call.

Euro hits new
record high against dollar

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The euro on Thursday surged to a new record of 1.4065 dollars as a hefty cut to US interest rates took a toll on the US currency. Markets were also nervously awaiting statements on the American economy by US officials later in the day.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/20/business/20euro-market.php?WT.mc_...

Bin Laden tape to
declare war on Musharraf

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Osama bin Laden will release a new message soon declaring war on Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, al-Qaida announced Thursday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/20/ap/middleeast/main3280530.shtm...

Let's see..Potato Famine..Early Genocide..
For One !

Just a bunch of In-Bred Wankers!!

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...this US administration could refrain from adding stupid words of appreciation to UN resolutions in order to support the right-wing party in japan and put pressure on the opposition parties (which won big in the last election here) that oppose japan's participation in these occupations... japanese people actually pay attention to the UN.

UN Council Extends Mandate for Forces in Afghanistan (Update1)

" Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura said he welcomed the inclusion in the resolution of appreciation for Japan's navy, which is supplying fuel to U.S. and other ships in the Indian Ocean to support operations in Afghanistan.

Japan, the U.S. and U.K. lobbied to get the wording in the text after Japan's opposition, which objects to the naval operations, won control of the country's upper house, according to local press reports.

Support for Japan

Machimura said at a news conference in Tokyo the opposition needs to be ``sensitive'' to the international appreciation for Japan's activities. The Democratic Party of Japan has said it will oppose attempts to renew the legislation, which allows for the naval operations and expires in November, because it doesn't believe they have UN support."

Now 80 Congress Members Have Signed Peace Pledge

Submitted by MMRules on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 6:53am.

Oh, see.... THAT was the problem! The Dems in Congress couldn't end the war until they had gotten 80 guys to sign a "Peace Pledge"!

Well, the boys will be home by Christmas now, huh?

ROFL at hippie mind-set (it never changes)----Gare

O'Reilly: Tasered UF student "biggest wimp in the United States of America"

During the September 18 edition of his Fox News television show, while discussing the recent incident involving University of Florida student Andrew Meyer, who was shocked with a Taser after a confrontation with police that began while he was asking questions of Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) during a September 17 campus forum, Bill O'Reilly asserted: "I've been tasered for a story, and all I can say is: He is the biggest wimp in the United States of America." O'Reilly added: "And I don't say that with any kind of bravado, but the overreaction to being tasered -- it's not -- it's an electrical shock is what it is." Also, only moments after showing a video clip of Meyer being shocked, during which the he cried out, "Don't tase me, bro. Don't tase me," O'Reilly stated: "It's not pleasant, but that idiot, he wanted this to happen. He wanted the cops to do it."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709190009

Our enemies see a weakness and are beginning to pounce!

Housing downturn could
spiral to Great Depression level

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An economist who has long predicted this decade's housing market bubble would deflate said the residential real estate downturn could spiral into "the most severe since the Great Depression" and could lead to a recession.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/09/19/financial/f1...

AP) - Oil prices kept rising Thursday after reaching record highs in the previous session on U.S. refinery outages and declines in U.S. oil inventories.

A decline earlier in the day was reversed in part by worries over a potential tropical storm threat to oil and gas installations in the Gulf of Mexico, analysts said.

Light, sweet crude for October delivery gained 17 cents to US$82.10 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange by midday in Europe.

The contract Wednesday rose 42 cents to settle at a record US$81.93 a barrel after jumping to a new intraday high of US$82.51 a barrel.

A weather system with the potential to become a tropical storm appeared to be heading toward the U.S. state of Louisiana, prompting emergency officials to be on guard Wednesday. Shell Oil Co. announced evacuation plans for hundreds of staff from its rigs in the region.

"The threat of a storm ahead of the weekend will likely keep oil prices on the boil," said Victor Shum, an energy analyst with Purvin & Gertz in Singapore. "Nobody wants to be caught short ahead of the weekend in case a storm turns into a major hurricane that causes damage in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico." The U.S. National Weather Service said the low-pressure area could affect southeast Louisiana and south Mississippi Friday night or Saturday and that it would have the potential to become a subtropical or tropical storm.

Shum added that prices also remained well supported by tight supplies, highlighted in a U.S. Energy Department report Wednesday of a larger-than-expected drawdown in crude inventories last week.

Crude inventories fell by 3.8 million barrels during the week ended Sept. 14, said the Energy Information Administration, the department's statistical arm. This was more than double the 1.5 million-barrel decline analysts surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires had expected. However, crude inventories remain at the upper end of their average range for this time of year, the EIA said.

http://www.sharewatch.com/story.php?storynumber=31172

tonid, good morning. how're you doing today? wanted to check if you got the email i sent out earlier. i have two addresses for you and wasn't sure which was right. the one with the 44?

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is here again. Has to make his small change for the week.

I have both emails but I use the one without the 44 most often.

I will look for your email though.

Doing okay right now. How're you?

I am sending your link to my cousin who is an ESL professor. I wanted here to see your vids.

Mary Matalin, a former Cheney aide, is working pay the legal bills of her old co-worker, “Scooter” Libby, who the President granted clemency to earlier this year. “Make no mistake, Scooter’s battle is not yet over,” Matalin wrote in a recent fundraising letter. He “still has hundreds of thousands of dollars in outstanding legal bills from his trial” that “need to be paid immediately.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070920/NATIO...

White House officials say that, after the attorney general confirmation, the nomination of Steven G. Bradbury to head the Office of Legal Counsel “is their next priority this fall, though they have nine major slots at a depleted Justice Department to fill.” As acting OLC chief, Bradbury has been “advising President Bush on the extent of his terrorism-fighting powers,” but several Democratic senators have placed secret holds on his official nomination.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070920/NATION/109200057/1002

works fine.

we've written volumes on it.

we just don't have it. not yet anyway.

i sure missed it yesterday!!!

best to yer gang!

Fox’s goddamn hypocrisy. During the Fox broadcast of the Emmy Awards this week, Actress Sally Field’s acceptance speech was censored because she used the word “goddamn.” “If mothers ruled the world,” Field said, “there would be no god-damned wars in the first place.” Robert Greenwald’s Brave New Films catches Fox pundits using the word “goddamn” repeatedly on air. Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/foxs-goddamn-hypocrisy/

Maybe we should do what Frist wanted to do and install the Nuclear option!

What would the freepers say then?

If it were me I'd do everything I could to tie up the Senate so that nothing gets passed! And vot down every piece of pork the repubs put in any bill!

Fillibuster the Sh*t out of them!

Sorry Lucille,I was out of
the loop yesterday..

Did anybody ever get the Audio,or Video Link to The Sammy & Marc Maron Show!?
Thanks! :)

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thanks, tonid. i really appreciate you thinking of me. i'm still working on updating the website with more interviews. it's just that i get so easily overloaded with all the personal experiences and find myself pulling away. i really have to toughen up. glad to hear you're feeling well. it's so hot and humid here right now. having a hard time concentrating on anything.

hey, sunshine. everyone's doing pretty well. though the highschool teaching is 24/7 plus right now. i saw your post on chubby. just sent a couple of postcards - one from me and one from miho-chan. that boy owes me! i'm singlehandedly setting the reputation of japanese women back a couple of decades on his account - at least in the WA correction center. ;)

to dan about something regarding that taping MMRules---i may have not heard correctly but that is the assumption i came off with!!

let me know if you didn't get the email. i'll resend it. i can't remember which address i eventually chose.

why the fuck dont they let the pubs fucking filibuster... why are they falling into these bastards web....i just dont get it with them too man....i am trying to hang in there but aint shit happening man!! the pubs are still in power as far as i can tell......FUCK!!!

When it's hot and humid it saps your energy. Don't overdo. Lots more fight to do!

I'll ask Dan when he pops in..
I fell asleep(I'm on Westcoast time)
and only saw the last 10mins or so..Bummed!!
Thanks again.. :)

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Filibuster: The Pachyderms' Club
Senate Republicans killed three major measures via filibuster threats today: habeas corpus for enemy combatants, a House member for DC, and the Webb Amendment on troop rotations. It is part of an unprecedented use of the filibuster by Senate Republicans in the 110th Congress. I don't use "unprecedented" lightly. McClatchy ran the numbers, as we noted back in July (thanks to Kevin Drum for the reminder). At that time, Republicans were on pace this term to nearly triple the previous record high for the use the filibuster in the modern era. It's worth taking a look.

--David Kurtz

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/053667.php

Just kidding! ;)

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NEW THREAD ALL....THIS SITE IS CONFUSING ME TODAY...NEW THREAD....

mmrules, you don't know the half of it. i sent a letter with lipstick kisses (long story) on it that was confiscated. apparently "foreign substances" aren't allowed in. yes, i know.

cincinnati is being targeted with a pro-peace (i like that better than anti-war) message asking mean jean to condemn john boehner:

who would've thunk that war is an "investment" and that deaths are a "small price"

IT'S A MIRACLE!!! Iraq has SUDDENLY gotten MUCH BETTER in the past 24 hours!!! Praise Jesus, it's a freaking MIRACLE!!!

by John Aravosis (DC) · 9/20/2007 09:14:00 AM ET

That headline is never going to get old. Well, the latest miracle in Iraq: Baghdad is now MUCH MUCH MUCH safer!

That's why land travel for US government employees has been banned everywhere in Iraq, including Baghdad (other than the Green Zone) - because Baghdad is now a LOT safer than it was when we COULD travel by land safely. That's also why George Bush couldn't visit Baghdad only two weeks ago - because it's a LOT safer than it was the last time he was ABLE to visit.

You can spin a lot of things. A dead body isn't one of them.

http://www.americablog.com/2007/09/its-miracle-iraq-has-suddenly-gotten....

New Thread

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After the Senate actually had the gall to vote on the Cornyn amendment after not voting on any significant bill or forcing the Republicans to fillibuster, I've pretty much had enough. No more money to any democrat; in fact, I'm seriously thinking of following Mike Pappantonio's lead and quitting the party altogether. They will get my vote as a significant lesser of two evils; however, I am ashamed of the party and of many of those that I financially supported. Fuck!

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those, that in the time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality"

Ultimately, I will vote "yellow dog dem" however, I may go to a Independent,
just to awaken the DEMS since I have been there's since 13 years old and I am only 108.
Brava! YEA! Regarding voting ultimately as a Yellow Dog Dem. Yea! ;)
ARREST! IMPEACH!(or threaten those elected telling the phone Answers of The Offices of Senators and similar ...
Send/DELUGE them with spay/neuter with on each of the Post Cards a sweet face of a kitten or puppy ... and they all know folks throughout state or en route to nation. On card, Bold lettering and succinct. Just a baby strategy. ;)