Seder v Maron show thread

me?

anyone else?

I'm not getting anything on the cam, but Sam says 'they're here'

I'm sure it's just a technical glitch, we all have to be patient.

Hi Sam and Marc

Took awhile to get on. Must be all the people signing in!

the blog is being SLAMMED right?

getting in

Please make sure someone is recording VOD and posts is ASAP.
Reality. TV. Two more reasons to read.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

great here

>>Since when did a little part of backwoods (literally) USA become the new 'must win' area?

that "little backwoods area" is a mountain range that stretches from Alabama through Maine and into Newfoundland.

The Applalations are in about of a third of the states.

but, even if you want to limit it to halfg a dozen states, it makes sense to campaign there.

Or, do you think It's wise to assume everyone who lives in the region is a redneck racist hillbilly yahoo?

being recorded.should be up shortly after the end of show.

getting ALL the press today and Obama hardly any.

This should be a great day of celebration for uor country and SHE is ruining it all.You MUST go HILLY!!!!!

on firefox, opera and ie

At least not yet

No cam action for me today I guess.

I think I'm gonna go outside and pick some roses for my wife.

Be back later!

viv48

Cam Is Not Working!!!! Is anyone else having a problem. Had a problem getting blog too. This sucks.

http://www.smackchannel.com/sidebyside_viewer_samseder_secure.swf

that's not working for me either

That one doesn't work either.

Bigger though, which would be cool...if only

look into new technology for this. He should talk to TYT or golefttv

Too little, too late.

viv48

Thanks for the link but it doesn't work either. This is the first time I had problem.

Thanks but it will not open for me at all.

Reality. TV. Two more reasons to read.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Thanks but it will not open for me at all.

Reality. TV. Two more reasons to read.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

on last weeks end of show
am i missing sam and marc?

viv48

Thanks for the link but it doesn't work either. This is the first time I had problem.

cam working fine

So are some people getting the cam? I usually have no problems, but I am getting blank logo screens today. And I tried the last link posted.

nada. Not even a blip. And I took vacation so I could record it but can't. Maybe someone else will record it.

bbl

I'm sitting on the back up blog with KateAnne
http://samsedershow.blogspot.com/

forever what is happening

I just see pictures of Sam waving goodbye at the end of his last show. I am at work with firefox, and who knows if there is some sort of firewall or the IT guy in the other hall is monitoring what I'm doing.

"So are some people getting the cam? I usually have no problems, but I am getting blank logo screens today. And I tried the last link posted."

Same here.

Will you stay on at AAR if you only edit the website and have no on air time or will you leave if you dont get a new show?

I now have Marc on the link you gave and Sam on his link on my other computer.

either...Colorado

best reception and clarity i have seen here.Dont know whats happening with the rest.

Just keep refreshing

here

that could be the problem.They have all sorts of problems, especially with censorship.

Nada.

FWIW

on safari

either. Lauren from Sunday. Nothing from the Sam side. On Firefox.

just frozen sam & Lauren from sunday

try here:

http://www.smackchannel.com/sidebyside_viewer_samseder_secure.swf

You are so mean

It has always been reliable in the past. This is so frustrating.

Boo hoo!

excellent show!

some amazing rants!

Wahhh...I got nada

The cam with blog isn't working, but the regular cam appears to be working ok But There is no marc of course

i'm refreshing with no luck

that link doesn't work

on IE with verizon DSL - no probs before now

time to refresh - my drink - again

I signed into SammyCam about noonish and left it open. So when Sam signed in it went on automatically. Maybe that would help.

Could be the isp server problem also.

we need to have them ask us for bucks,

we need to do their tech update,

which means getting Maron

to let us help him

directly, and they

could change their

opinion of us,1 that

rcognizes our abilities

and truly global diversity!

I guess.

I hope Harold is missing it too, so he'll get it up fast. (Sorry Harold, wouldn't wish to spread the pain around if it weren't important ;).)

Didn't help.

I guess I'm just progressively (of course ;}) being banned from everywhere today.

See why I know so much about Hillary? ;}

Thanks...

I told him up front, yeah.

After a thousand I.M.s from us I'm sure he got the message.

normally cam never works for me so i just got lucky toda.

AND,I turned the sammy cam on at 2:45 so as to get in early.

I also had the cam open about noon (a little before) and it always starts automatically. Oh well, VOD will work, but it sure screwed up my day.

toniD you know i am here at the crack of dawn but i can not get anything

I'll try to find it in my heart to forgive you since it has now started working for me too.

((GUY))

What happened?

Sam does need new technology.

I posted on the alternate blog:

He (Sam) should start a blogger radio program with hosts from the blogger world to have an internet radio program on all day.

It's June 4 not June 24!

Seder withdrawal is the worst

VOD up soon

any mention of AAR?

rantabulous

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hdj/collections/

The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. ~ George Bernard Shaw

Much appreciated.

show just ended - it was great but where is everybody?

So I finally got it to work by doing the following:

1)I Opened one window with the normal sammycam using Firefox
[http://samsedershow.tv/sammy_cam.htm] In that window I could only see marc

2)I Opened another window with the wide cam using IE [http://samsedershow.com/YKCam] In this window I could only see sammy - and a frozen pic of Lauren

3)I could now see and here BOTH halves of the conversation. ;)

The last ten minutes were great!

weird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGUt7ropzNA

Did you see this YouTube contest from Aimee Mann? I don't know if you feel good enough about her or this particular song to do this, but if so, maybe it's worth a whirl?

Hope you see later on.

Hosting the cam and the blog traffic on the same sever?

viv48

That didn't help me though. Got the last 10 minutes too. I have to restart my computer and then it finally work. What a bummer, missed the show (except the last 10 minutes). How was the show? Anything interesting?

but the blog was down the whole time then when it finally looked like it had come back it appeared like a new thread (just sam's first post on it and no other comments)

guess we /dotted again,

we have 91 people here!

can't believe i sat here and hit refresh on the thread and the sammy cam for an hour
I'm an idiot... LOL

what did they speak about?

Amy's new album came out yesterday.already listened to it 5 times.

It's called #%@#*# Smilers,a must have.

New album came out yesterday.

Stupid Amazon won't get it to me until the 9th...

me too!

Melina
www.RIPCoco.com
www.BrilliantatBreakfast.blogspot.com
www.SweetJesusIHateChrisMatthews.blogspot.com

About how AAR is toning down the inflammatory speech on the network...same thing we've all been saying...this led to whether or not there is a true counter-culture in America anymore of if what looks like counter-culture is just a bunch of empty fashion-ey posing (Maron's argument)

Caroline Kennedy On Obama's Team To Vet Vice Presidential Candidates

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama named a three-person team including Caroline Kennedy to lead his search for a running mate Wednesday while expressing confidence that the Democratic Party would soon unify after a bruising battle for the presidential nomination.

"I'm very confident of how we're going to be able to bring the party together," Obama said after a brief conversation with Hillary Rodham Clinton, his vanquished rival.

Campaign officials said Kennedy, who is the daughter of the late President John F. Kennedy, as well as former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder and longtime Washington insider Jim Johnson have already begun compiling information on potential running mates. They disclosed no names.

Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on Tuesday, taking a major step toward his goal of becoming the first black president. While Clinton has yet to concede defeat, she and associates have been maneuvering for the past 24 hours to gain her a place on the ticket.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/caroline-kennedy-on-obama_n_105...

The blog was another matter..
Couldn't get on it the majority of the time..
Just gave up after awhile..
A very good show though..

I hope The VOD comes up Very Soon For Everybody ! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

probably give us a report later when the VOD is posted.

surely they realise how many people four years of these glitches have cost them and us?

Oh, that's right. Dissent is treason. Fuck that shit.

about the 3-6 slot not been offered to him?

viv48

I guess since Green took over the air waves the politicians have a say. I kind of figured that.

Good !

She's a Very Bright and Compassionate Person..

I'm Glad She is in Obama's corner !

And,I don't think She will appoint herself,either....

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Outstanding show today, fellas! Will definitely have to rewind the VOD, some pretty weighty topics explored. Wish I could've chimed but unfortunately no IM at work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENLAfKdH66s

who doesn't. Go here

http://books.google.com/books?id=GypcZTvZoC8C&pg=PA244&dq=Mister+Taylor&...

You'll get the gist. Although the end's left off.

Btw, please give me the code to do that tinyurl thing if you want to.

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Sammy did say he had a meeting Tuesday for a potential thing that he wouldn't talk about publicly yet. Maybe a 6-9 slot? Anything would be better than Bill Press. What a milktoast! GOD! This morning he finally admitted to voting for Hillary... like we didn't fuckin' know that already...

Make it Cindy, The ANTI Hil-LIAR-y.

marc started with one of those masks on that people in china use when they ride bicycle in traffic, then proceded to try and smoke his cigar through or over or sideways with the mask, jus marc weirdness, then he wanted to make coffee but when he got up to go into the kitchen he left his mike on so sam had an echo and sounded like he was talking to himself

on the serious note it was a very serious conversation, very deep and i found a little sad

yes they did talk about aar of course, and a lot of other themes, about the state of counterculture in today's culture, is it still possible? a little politics, hillary and obama and mcain, hints at future projects, sounded a little bit like two disgruntled midlife crisers

but i love them both and wish there was a way for them to achieve what they want and deserve because they're so smart and deserving and it's just so frustrating at the moment

sam ended with a tease

that's a quick sumup for those of you who missed the show

seem very well scheduled.

*adjusts foil*

You really have to wonder about the remarkably timed outages in mics, too.

(AIPAC ADDRESS)

Did Obama make one mention of the illegal Israeli blockade of Gaza's 1.5 million people and the UN-documented resulting humanitarian disaster there?

He did not.

Instead, Obama talked about "a Gaza controlled by Hamas with rockets raining down on Israel."

Did Obama mention U.S. government supplied Israeli firepower resulting in Palestinian civilian casualties in Gaza at a ratio of 400 to 1 (Palestinian to Israeli)

He did not.

Many peace loving Israelis and Jewish Americans will be disgusted by Obama's speech today.

Like the editor at the Israeli newspaper Haaretz who wrote that the Israeli government has "lost its reason" through the brutal incarceration, devastation and deprivation of the innocent people in Gaza.

Obama told AIPAC today that "we must isolate Hamas." (In its current form.)

Did he mention that a March 2008 Haaretz poll showed that 64 percent of the Israeli people want direct negotiations for peace between Israel and Hamas, while only 28% oppose it?

He did not.

Instead, Obama said this morning that "Egypt must cut off the smuggling of weapons into Gaza."

Did he say that Israel must stop bombing the people of Gaza?

He did not.

Obama this morning told AIPAC that "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided."

Did Obama mention that this pledge undermines the widespread international consensus two-state solution peace plan?

He did not.

So, in a nutshell:

In this critical election year, Nader/Gonzalez stands on these issues with the majority of Israelis, Palestinians, Jewish-Americans and Arab Americans.

Obama/McCain stand with the hard-line minority position of AIPAC.

*TLL*

Yeah, but she could do worse.

McConnell shuts down the Senate.

This afternoon, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) essentially shut down the Senate floor “by forcing the Senate clerk to read aloud the entire 500 page global warming bill.” McConnell alleged that the Democratic leadership “refused to honor its commitments” and push through a significant number of judicial nominees.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/04/mcconnell-shuts-down-the-senate/

the shows a 'must see'!

Maron and sam had an excellent discussion on humor, blogs and theatre. Maron rants were superb.

whole show was a hoot! )

http://tinyurl.com/

I stuck it right in my bookmark toolbar in Firefox.

Lieberman Questions Obama's Judgment On Iran and Israel
By Matthew DeLong 06/04/2008 12:52PM
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), a McCain supporter, challenged Sen. Barack Obama's judgment and experience on Israel and national security issues, following the Illinois senator's speech this morning at the influential pro-Israel lobbying group American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, conference in Washington. Lieberman said there was "a disconnect between some of the things [Obama] said today" and some of his past statements.

"To be specific, I was troubled earlier in the campaign season when Sen. Obama compared Iran and other rogue and terrorist states to the Soviet Union, and minimized the threat represented by Iran. I think that’s wrong. Today he said he thought Iran represented a grave threat. I think the statement he made today was right."

Lieberman brought up Obama's opposition to the Kyl-Lieberman amendment that labeled the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization, pointing out it was supported by 29 Democratic senators. The amendment passed 76-22.

"That measure was supported by three-fourths of the Senate, including Sens. Reid, Schumer, Durbin and Clinton. Sen. Obama opposed it, saying it was saber-rattling referring to the threat of military force. If you look at the Kyl-Lieberman amendment as it was passed, it has none of that in it regarding military action. I still hope he will say that vote was a mistake and he will support that resolution."
Lieberman also challenged Obama's assertions that U.S. policies have had a negative impact on Israel's security.

"Sen. Obama today argued American foreign policy in recent years has essentially strengthened Iran. At one point he almost seemed to suggest it helped to elect (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad and has made Israel less safe. I just disagree with that. Iran(ians) elected Ahmadinejad for their own reasons. If Israel is in danger today, it’s not because of American foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way. It's not because of what we’ve done in Iraq, it’s because Iran is a fanatical terrorist expansionist state. Iran has a leader -- and leaderships -- that constantly threatens to extinguish the state of Israel."

Lieberman, who was close to Obama when the Illinois senator first came to Washington, opened by congratulating him on apparently securing the Democratic nomination. While they remain friendly, Obama, like many Democrats, supported Lieberman's 2006 Democratic challenger Ned Lamont, which Lieberman certainly hasn't forgotten. It could be one reason for Lieberman's decision to campaign with the GOP candidate. Obviously, with McCain stepping up his rhetoric against the regime in Iran, the issue could figure prominently in the coming campaign.

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/lieberman-questions

cam to be posted...i like NOW news

Conversation
From Roll Call ...

Furthermore, during a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman by the hand to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.
While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.

Using forceful, but not angry, hand gestures, Obama literally backed up Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances.

Still, Obama and Lieberman seemed to be trying to keep the back-and-forth congenial as they both patted each other on the back during and after the exchange.

Afterwards, Obama smiled and pointed up at reporters peering over the edge of the press gallery for a better glimpse of their interaction.

Obama loyalists were quick to express their frustration with Lieberman's decision and warned that if he continues to take a lead role in attacking Obama it could complicate his professional relationship with the Caucus.

--Josh Marshall

http://www.rollcall.com/news/25627-1.html?ET=rollcall:e2084:80056086a:&s...

sure!

http://tinyurl.com/

What happened?

Nothing worked for me!
Didn't hear or see anything!

I will go listen to the speech right now. It sounds awful. Shit.

i am still at work using the library's wonderful computers...if it was my computer at home i would understand which is of course dial up

i got the feeling he was trying to be diplomatic, he put it like they (the bosses) don't want anything that is too political, too liberal, that makes waves, sam had some good things to say about this kuby guy, but mostly that aar is trying to be business like and don't care abou the politics, i don't know, it was kind of muddled, maybe sam doesn't want to burn all bridges yet.

as for marc, he said he's so used to rejection that it doesn't make any difference

;-)

Yes I know He's working on the VOD..Just Kidding.. ;)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

good read

my blog was down too for the whole hour, only came back up when the show ended

but i was lucky to get the cam

haha! poor thing----sounds like me!

True..Very true..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Rohrabacher: Torture At Guananamo Simply ‘Hazing Pranks From Some Fraternity’

Today, the House Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights, and Oversight held a hearing on detainee treatment at Guantanamo Bay, focusing on a recent FBI inspector general (IG) report documenting abusive practices at the facility. The report describes, among other things, a “war crimes file” created by FBI agents concerned about the interrogation tactics they witnessed at Guantanamo.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), however, sees nothing wrong with the accounts of abuse. While questioning IG Glenn Fine today, Rohrabacher insisted the report documented nothing more than “fraternity boy pranks and hazing pranks,” and hardly constituted torture:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/04/rohrabacher-torture/

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) -- Federal prosecutors are no longer seeking stiffer prison sentences for former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman and former HealthSouth CEO Richard Scrushy, but have not said why.

Prosecutors filed a motion this week with the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals asking that their appeals of the sentences be dropped. Their appeals had called for a longer prison term than Siegelman's more than seven-year sentence and Scrushy's almost seven-year sentence .

The latest filing does not spell out why prosecutors want to drop their appeals. It just says "the government has elected not to proceed with its cross-appeal as to either defendant."

Prosecutors originally asked that Siegelman be sentenced to 30 years in federal prison and Scrushy to 25 years.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SIEGELMAN_TRIAL_SENTENCE?SITE=AP&...

“fraternity boy pranks and hazing pranks”

Isn't that truly disgusting?

I hope all these war mongers get canned come November.

Grrrr

and video stalls out sams server bandwidth.

best fix is more bandwidth and slightly faster sata hard drives.

lots of other reasons too but that would address the bottleneck.

sigh! four years of this... still, i love hearing them when i can. was lucky this time.

with no luck!

First time it has ever happened!

WTF ?
The Dems should have Kicked he's Rethug Kissing Ass Out Months Ago ! !

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I Am Not a Bargaining Chip, I Am a Democrat

Senator Clinton's speech last night was a justifiably proud recitation of her accomplishments over the course of this campaign, but it did not end right. She didn't do what she should have done. As hard and as painful as it might have been, she should have conceded, congratulated, endorsed and committed to Barack Obama. Therefore the next 48 hours are now as important to the future reputation of Hillary Clinton as the last year and a half have been.

I am disappointed. As a long time Hillary Clinton supporter and more importantly, an admirer, I am sad that this historic effort has ended with such a narrow loss for her. There will be the appropriate "if onlys" for a long time to come. If only the staff shakeup happened earlier; if only the planning in caucus states had more focus; if only Hillary had let loose with the authentic human and connecting voice she found in the last three months of the campaign. If only. If only. I have written many times on this site about the talents of Hillary Clinton and why I thought she'd make a great President.

After last night's final primary, she was only about pledged 100 delegates behind him. Ironic that after not wanting to make the decision for so long, it was in fact, the superdelegates who made the decision. But I guess they did so for another reason. It just isn't her time. It is his time. It's a new day that offers a freshness to our party that many have longed for. We felt the rush of new voices and a new energy in the Congressional sweep of 2006 and the sweep continues. It has been an organic shift. And a healthy one.

The life's work of Bill and Hillary Clinton in partnering with so many African Americans uniting our purpose and promoting our mutual issues is as responsible for Barack Obama's success as our first African American nominee as anyone. And yet, that joy is being denied for them by themselves. It is so sad.

More here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hilary-rosen/i-am-not-a-bargaining-chi_b_1...

"the government has elected not to proceed with its cross-appeal"

Things are tough all over for NeoCon enablers...

:)

Our big-time ISP for the live stream had a 'hiccup' preventing many users -- but not all -- from connecting to Seder v Maron live. The VODs are fine, though, and you can get them here:

• Seder On Sunday - 1 June 2008
• Seder V Maron 4 June 2008

A Hopeful Sign
From Minnpost.com ...

The crowd kept pouring into the Xcel Energy Center. All ages. All races. All backgrounds. Young Somalis chanting "O-bama!" And older, white women, bedecked in sparkling red, white and blue and holding up a sign, "Women for Obama!''
But most noticeable was the arrival of such people as Buck Humphrey, who once had headed Hillary Rodham Clinton's Minnesota campaign. And Jackie Stevenson, a DFL activist, a feminist and a Clinton-supporting superdelegate, who at the last minute had changed her mind about attending the event. And St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman, who was a Clinton supporter until sometime Monday. And Rick Stafford, another Clinton superdelegate.

--Josh Marshall

http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2008/06/04/2100/clinton_supporters_wowed...

I'd worry that my italics in the last thread brought down the blog during the show's start.

At Long Last
The long, long, long-awaited Phase II report, from the Senate intelligence committee, on pre-war intelligence on Iraq, is scheduled to be released tomorrow, according to a press release from Chairman Jay Rockefeller (D-WV).

--David Kurtz

:)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

that was quick! WTG!

Maron, Sam, AAR - it's all changing. Kennedy, Byrd, Hillary and Bill are going out. Obama is the new deal. It's all about change.

talk about Ron Kuby getting the 3-6 spot?

I wonder if Chairman Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) will want to give them all Immunity Too !

Guess it all depends on who has paid him off..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Ford!

DC checkpoint plan latest 'police state' tactic: Councilman
Nick Juliano

Over the last few months, city officials in Washington, DC, have instituted an array of tactics that has civil libertarians fearing the nation's capital is looking at the Bill of Rights as little more than a suggestion.

The latest proposal from DC's mayor and police chief would have officers patrolling Soviet-esque checkpoints limiting residents' ability to travel to and from targeted neighborhoods. The plan was reported Wednesday in The Examiner:

D.C. police will seal off entire neighborhoods, set up checkpoints and kick out strangers under a new program that D.C. officials hope will help them rescue the city from its out-of-control violence. Under an executive order expected to be announced today, police Chief Cathy L. Lanier will have the authority to designate “Neighborhood Safety Zones.” At least six officers will man cordons around those zones and demand identification from people coming in and out of them. Anyone who doesn’t live there, work there or have “legitimate reason” to be there will be sent away or face arrest, documents obtained by The Examiner show.
A city councilman who represents some of the affected neighborhoods -- in the District's northeast quadrant -- was cautiously optimistic about the proposal's potential to "crack down on ... open-air drug markets." But the local lawmaker, Harry Thomas, did express worries about DC "moving towards a police state."

Local blog DCist mocked the proposal and its defenders.

"Interim Attorney General Peter Nickles actually said that measures of this sort have 'been used in other cities,'" the blog noted. "Which cities are those, Mr. Nickles? Warsaw?"

Libertarian blogger Megan McArdle asked, "Where the hell am I living?"

More here:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/DC_checkpoint_plan_latest_police_state_060...

Submitted by Hope on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 5:09pm.
Maron, Sam, AAR - it's all changing. Kennedy, Byrd, Hillary and Bill are going out. Obama is the new deal. It's all about change.

Heh. I thought it was all about Hope.

Say goodnight, Gracie.

we'd just about forgot yer grevious error...

til you reminded us!

ten hale mary's of the nets for you kid!

start mumbling!

Everyone wants the goods right now and it is appreciated. Now if the tech thing could just get nailed down to start selling the thing...

Just Alot of folks on the blog due to the show..

It's been going tits up during the show for the last couple months or so..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I think it's both

The Hope for Change!

They did..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

They were rolling pretty good there and seemed they could go on for another hour at least.

Just curious...