Sir Real - Sam,... Sederites,... I am withdrawing my appeal for your help (re: AZ State Sen. Tim Bee), with my apologies.

You can find Bee's wife's maiden name through the following site:
http://www.agave.cosc.pima.gov/PublicDocs/
just type in Bee Tim and change the search function to Name. You will see the names on the marriage license.

As someone who has adopted in Pima County, I can't believe that an adoption could go through unless the parental rights of the biological parents was terminated (via the court)first.
Since Bee's website shows the adoption finalized in April, It would seem that Charles and Joy's parental rights must have been terminated by the court before that. If that is not the case, Charles and his wife need to seek legal help.

I just did that.

Grace Bee's maiden name was: Stelmach

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From public records...(below)

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Timothy Shawn Bee (Groom)
Grace Elizabeth Stelmach (Bride)

Married ... 4/13/1994

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Charles H.R. McCarty (Groom)
Joy Estelle Stelmach (Bride)

Married ... 9/7/2004

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From Classmates.com ...

Mt. Zion Christian School, YUMA, AZ, Class of 1988

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(I super appreciate the help, Ezsuds81.)

The little girl's name was Amy Rose, not Mary Rose, ... prior to Grace and Tim Bee changing her name to Anneliese.

Also:

When Joy was pregnant, she complained to Charles about smoking pot in the house. This eventually led to him punching her in the arm. She went down to police headquarters and had pictures taken. She didn't press charges, and the cops didn't arrest Charles. Joy also then moved in with her sister, Grace. She left a note on his bed saying he needed help and had to go to counseling.

Charles went to counseling.

I was informed that Charles' wife, Joy, was on medication for bi-polar disorder.

When the baby was born, Security prevented Charles from seeing the baby. He upended a table and was then chased out of the parking lot by Security.

After the baby was born, Joy got back together with Charles and lived both at Grace's house and sort of at Charles' house. Her sister, Grace, kept the baby the whole time.

For the last approximate year and a half, Joy and Charles have been together but not allowed to keep their baby. (And, I don't think Joy has even been able to see her baby. ...not sure though, ...yet.)

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Grace and Joy's father sent Charles a "sympathy" card expressing his sadness for what was transpiring.

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Grace Bee apparently did go to court.

The judge ruled that Grace could keep looking after the baby. (I'm not sure if legal custody was granted, or what... yet.)

Charles and Joy spoke with Grace Bee in the court room and said, "Take good care of our baby." To which Grace Bee responded, "It's not your baby."

The judge also told Charles and Joy that they were not permitted to give birth to another baby for
"2-3 years."

Charles and Joy were not even given visitation rights.
They still do not have them.

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My friend maintains that there is no doubt that the way the judge ruled was based on the political influence of Tim Bee.

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My phone call with my friend was then cut short,...and he is calling me back in a few hours.

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Obviously, there is much more to this story.

And, Charles' account to be was somewhat muddied & not 100% true to facts. (I now have many new questions for Charles.)

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And, obviously Charles' actions precipitated some of the events that led to losing the child. But, there appears to be no wrongdoing whatsoever on Joy's part, and the judge's ruling (the parts I've heard so far) don't quite add up.

How is it that Joy is not even allowed to see her baby girl? What did she do that was so wrong to lose all her rights as a mother? (...if that was the official court ruling, which I don't know all the details of yet.)

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I will add more details as I get them.

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To all of you who have commented & devoted time to helping me with this story, I thank you so very much.

And, also thank you to all of you who have taken the time to at least read this.

I really appreciate your time, as well.

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More to come...

I'm a day late and a peso short but I'll catch up now...

I probably should have kept the story to myself for a couple days until I was sure of the facts, but this guy's story broke my heart. And, all the original details Charles gave me were just bouncing around in my head driving me crazy.

I mean, of all the people in the state of Arizona to visit my house, I get a visit from the brother-in-law of this Republican guy who is running for Congress in my district. It was bizarre and surreal, especially since I've been trying to stay clear of the news for a bit, for my own sanity.

And, then, just like that ... a metaphoric meteorite hits me in the head.

And, I wasn't wearing a helmet.

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I sure hope you had a nice visit in Sacramento, Alice. :)

I gotta run, but I hope to check back later tonite.
I wrote something from my heart that I want to share on this site.
I may not post it until tomorrow. Not sure.
Depends on my energy,...
I'm a little tired.

I hope you're doing well, Alice.
I look forward to talking with you again, soon.
The other night when we talked... was really nice.

Thanks.

xoxox

With trying to help someone who is hurting. You can only go on the information you are given.

I really appreciate you saying that.
It means a lot.

Thanks also for showing me exactly how to get information on the wife's maiden name.

I appreciate your time & support very, very much.

Although, you most likely won't be reading this,...

I appreciate you contacting me via e-mail with your concerns,...as well as legal information & connections.

Thank you so much.

(And, thank you, Alice,...for giving Annette my e-mail address.)

For your time, concern & information.

I really appreciate it.

Good night.

and the desire to alleviate another human's pain.

Maybe these parents are just destined to work through their own pain which may have resulted from their own missteps. Time will tell. Others can only do so much.

(If there is a chance the custody resulted from a sham court event, it may catch up to the Tim Bees yet, as Bee's apirations in the political arena mean lots of scrutinty to come.)

I am now going back and forth again in my head as to whether it is wise that I let this story go.

I am disheartened that the girl's real father, Charles, was less than forthcoming with me.

I know there are a lot of elements of truth in Charles' story, ... (on-line marriage documents prove that he really is the brother-in-law of Tim Bee, etc...)

But, I have a sister-in-law that is mentally ill, a chronic liar,...& an abuser of drugs,...and only in the last year did she finally leave the state and is no longer the family menace that she was. I don't blame my sister, but I just don't want to go down that road again, by getting drawn into a mess by Charles.

I don't see how it helps me & my family.

But, my conscience is getting to me today... you know, just dropping this case just like that.

I thought I'd feel better just letting it go.

I also don't want to ruin a man's life, regardless of whether he's a politician, by acting carelessly.

But, I'm not sure I'll be able to feel good about myself until I know I did the right thing.

And, I'm not sure what that is.

I wish I knew the right answer.

I'm feeling troubled in my heart tonite.

(I mean, this couple is so lost & so non-computer savvy, that their idea of trying to get their child back is standing in the parking lot of the church that Tim Bee and his family attend ... holding up signs saying "Tim Bee Stole My Child," every Sunday morning.

And the church congregation members keep approaching Charles and Joy asking, "Who's paying you to smear the Bees?," implying that this all just a political tactic by Tim Bee's opponents.

You can't help but think Tim Bee is deliberately not letting his fellow church members know why these people are really in the parking lot; like he's not admitting that this couple are his relatives. I can't really say what the Bees' explanation is... It's just sad.)

Pantano Christian Church on 29th Street, in Tucson,
I believe...if anyone wanted to catch Charles and Joy in person.

*sigh*

And, the fact that Charles was less than forthcoming about all the details as to how he lost his child ... tells me that he really hasn't dealt with his own culpability ... and accepted that if he hadn't screwed up, none of this would have happened.

But, I'm not a psychologist, nor an investigative reporter.

I'm just a blogger who is fortunate enough to have a forum to discuss this matter with empathetic people.

Anyway...

Thank you so much, nora, for the kind energy of your words.

I really am grateful to you for taking the time to talk to me.

Thanks.

comforting words, or ideas for you, SR...

I'm glad there are such cool people on this blog who can help...

Thanks. Me, too.

nora's comments a while ago sure were helpful.

And, Alice, I just had a realization.

And it's this: You know, it is my thoughts which are affecting my emotions.

And, I need to remember that I am in control of those, not this family, nor their situation.

And, I need to remember that how I let this affect me is no different than how I let the news affect me.

It's occurred to me, or actually to be more truthful, my wife informed me a little while ago, that I have spent my whole lifetime trying to fix others rather than focusing on the only thing I have control of, and the ability to fix,... myself.

Part of why I've done this is because I believe I'm a kind person. But, the part I've avoided facing is that...it's even more difficult to be honest with myself...and fix me.

A lifetime of this behavior has created "grooves in my brain," so to speak. It's been a habit of mine to try to fix the world & it's created a very convenient distraction for me.

I've been reading books about how one can best affect change in the outer world by improving one's inner world...ever since I was a teenager, but I've conveniently medicated myself rather than deal with the pain this "self-work" entails.

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And, as absolutely out of left field this situation with Charles & Joy & Tim & Grace & Anneliese, etc... is... and how unbelievable the statistical odds are of such a person walking through my front door,...

my wife reminded me that

...these outrageous scenarios of, metaphorically speaking, sick, injured puppies showing up in my life needing my help to fix them have happened hundreds of times. Just the faces and names have changed.

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Of late, finally, due to personal resolve (and I'm embarrassed to say, not understanding why I threw my guitars into a wall)....
I've been practicing sobriety & it has been super-tough after 25 years of daily medication,...but my reaction to this story, albeit a day later than would have been ideal,...is different than how my reaction would have been at any other time in my life,

...and I, regrettably, must admit that sobriety probably had something to do with it.

It's finally dawned on me that I can read Abraham & Seth & Field Center information until the cows come home ... but I still will never be a content person until I do the painful inner examination & work.

And, I really think this was my first, albeit clumsy, successful response & demonstration that I am changing my habits.

And, although perhaps I sound cynical, I don't think I am, or mean to be. But, this hour-old realization I just had feels right. And, I cannot thank everyone enough for their empathy for me and these people.

I have to believe this will all work out for the best for everyone. Even though I have no idea how.

Life is a trip.

(And, I don't personally consider sobriety to be what I consider an act of moderation based on my nature, so I do look forward to approaching pot & beer in the future for enjoyment, instead of habit. But, the universe is telling me to chill for a while. Sure hope I can still write songs.)

Anyway, back to the McCartys and Bees...

I believe that these "hurt" people will attract the help they need when the time is right and they are ready for it.
And, now or soon ... may be the time. And, someone reading this Open Mic might be one of those who are meant to help.

I may still be a part of this story. But, I won't be the fixer. I'm not qualified.

My best chance of affecting positive change in the outside world is by affecting positive change inside me.

It's seems I've read all the books telling me this, repeatedly. I just haven't applied it very well, yet.

Anyway...

Change is in the air and I feel good things are about to get better.

I love you very much, Alice.

Sweet dreams.

P.S. Did you have your job review, yet?
If so, how did it go?

Np,Sir Real.. :)
Submitted by MMRules on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 1:35am.

I just figured that if there was a political figure involved somewheres, the media would pick it up faster..
Which is just typical media bs..

Unless it's Grandpa McSame !

Of course if the story is true hopefully the media will pick it up politics or not..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I hope the media does their job.
That's partly why I was putting it out there.

I'm friends with the news director of one of the local television stations. We're both still on the board of directors of an organization which we were in during my early college days.

But, I don't know this Charles guy well enough to pull strings and ask for a favor. Perhaps things may change in the near future, but this is a tricky story.

If Charles' claims truly do have merit, I would prefer it reach the local news a different way.

Hopefully, if the story has merit, it will finds legs of its own.

Or perhaps I'll change my mind and make a call.
I've been hemming and hawwing about this the last couple of days, as well.

If true, I'm still hoping the story finds its own legs. Time will tell, I guess...

Thanks for your insight & concern, MMR...

I really appreciate it.

Gonna head to bed now.

Good night.

...to keep everything in one place (from nora, on Saturday)
nora was right,...& since then, new details emerged
which are actually posted upbloggie on this Open Mic

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Sir Real -- not enough info imo
Submitted by nora on Sat, 08/16/2008 - 6:00pm.
Sorry to spring this on you all. (Please read.) re: Tim Bee
Submitted by Sir Real on Sat, 08/16/2008 - 2:46pm.
This is a true story....
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Hi Sir Real.
I went to his TimBeeForCongress website thing and saw this (below).

IS he "adopting" the child? It sounds like your friend's friend is out of the loop somehow. If he were in the loop on an adoption process, wouldn't he be able to contest the adoption formally?

If there is NOT an adoption process, then it appears Tim Bee would be lying on his website. Lying (IF he is lying about the adoption process being for real) to voters isn't a nice thing.

But VERY important is - what is BEST for the child? So I don't know enough to recommend what is best for the little girl. If her parents have problems or habits that can be harmful to the child, I tend to think that it is best if she is with loving relatives rather than dysfunctional parents who can confuse or psychologically scar her.

Evidently, this has stirred feelings of injustice in the parents. It's a King Soloman thing in the end. Children are to be loved, not possessed. How does that fit in this situation?

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http://www.timbee.com/about/

FATHER

Tim and his wife Grace, married thirteen years, have six children, including Anneliese, a foster child who they are adopting. Esther and Victoria enjoy ballet and chorus, having performed with the Tucson Academy of Ballet, the Tucson Regional Ballet Company and the Tucson Girls Chorus. The boys, Bentley and Sterling, enjoy spending time with their father on home improvement projects. Patricia enjoys playing dress up. The Bees are very active in their church community. Tim’s commitment to his family has always been a driving factor in his decision to commit his life to public service to make Arizona a better place for his family to live and work.

to keep everything in one place (from MMRules, on Saturday)

upbloggie on this Open Mic there's an update where I mention that I cannot find proof on the internet of the father being attorney general in the 50s in Arizona;
...even if not necessarily pertinent to story,...it undermines credibility of Charles

the e-mail tips are helpful to have, though

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Sir Real.... Call and/or E-Mail The Media..
Submitted by MMRules on Sat, 08/16/2008 - 9:42pm.
Sorry to spring this on you all. (Please read.) re: Tim Bee
Submitted by Sir Real on Sat, 08/16/2008 - 2:46pm.
This is a true story.

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Charlie McCarty was the attorney general of Arizona in the '50s.

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And,if he has enough money get a Private Investigator..

Contact his Congressperson..

And,Child Services.

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tips@rawstory.com

metro@washpost.com

news-tips@nytimes.com

Sorry,That's all I can think of..Good Luck :)

Bbl..

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