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Norway's Success in Socialism has me Turning Red with Envy
Submitted by Bob26003 on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 12:22am.

May 19, 2009 "DailyFinance" -- May 14, 2009 -- If this were the 1950s, I'd be about to be put on every blackball list in town. Because I'm cuckoo for those Socialist cocoa puffs after reading this piece on Norway's success with the "cradle-to-grave welfare state."

Bring on the 12-month paid maternity leaves, the all-access-pass to nationalized health care. Because while capitalism was showing America who's your daddy (in our country, he who has the least morals and the most hunger, laughs all the way to his weekend house in the Hamptons), Norway's socialist finance minister was smugly buying our companies' depressed stock. The country has a cushy 11% budget surplus, zero national debt, and an economy that grew 3% last year while Uncle Sam was dancing a jig into a 12.9% deficit, $11 trillion in debt, and the Recession we now all know and love.

These statistics have me turning red with socialist envy.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22652.htm

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Thriving Norway Provides an Economics Lesson
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Submitted by Bob26003 on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 12:30am.

WOW!

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“The U.S. and the U.K. have no sense of guilt,” said Anders Aslund, an expert on Scandinavia at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “But in Norway, there is instead a sense of virtue. If you are given a lot, you have a responsibility.”

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“This is an oil-for-leisure program,” said Knut Anton Mork, an economist at Handelsbanken in Oslo. A recent study, he pointed out, found that Norwegians work the fewest hours of the citizens of any industrial democracy.

“We have become complacent,” Mr. Mork added. “More and more vacation houses are being built. We have more holidays than most countries and extremely generous benefits and sick leave policies. Some day the dream will end.”

But that day is far off. For now, the air is clear, work is plentiful and the government’s helping hand is omnipresent — even for those on the margins.

Just around the corner from Norway’s central bank, for instance, Paul Bruum takes a needle full of amphetamines and jabs it into his muscular arm. His scabs and sores betray many years as a heroin addict. He says that the $1,500 he gets from the government each month is enough to keep him well-fed and supplied with drugs.

Mr. Bruum, 32, says he has never had a job, and he admits he is no position to find one. “I don’t blame anyone,” he said. “The Norwegian government has provided for me the best they can.”

To Ms. Halvorsen, the finance minister, even the underside of the Norwegian dream looks pretty good compared to the economic nightmares elsewhere.

“As a socialist, I have always said that the market can’t regulate itself,” she said. “But even I was surprised how strong the failure was.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/business/global/14frugal.html?_r=3&em

Did you see the second open mic in the list?

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/4790

:)

Come on ya Hypocritical Wussy !

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After posting above..

I'd still like to hear it from Sam..

But,that's just me.. :)

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No...

No, it's not. :)

I want to spend more time with my family..

Since he's not a Politician,it's cool to say something like that.. :)

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the open mic.

They contradict each other, kind of, no?

But maybe "it is what it is" is the common theme.

love to see them both on TV !

But,who knows..

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Just checking.

I haven't checked lately..

I'11 go 1ook..

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Sam left the host grasping for straws!
THAT's what the "Fairness Doctrine" needs!
More callers like SAM!

The previous thread was abandoned in favor of this one. OK. I posted an entry on the last thread about the Belief-O-Matic quiz from a few threads ago.
Plenty of room to discuss, if ya want to.

MORE BELIEF-O-MATIC
http://www.samsedershow.com/node/4791#comment-338632

Just sayin'...

GOOD NIGHT NOW
-fsr

Change.com - Started by: The Wilderness Society

Targeting: Members of the U.S. Senate and Members of the U.S. House of Representatives

After years of existing on starvation diets, it's past time to restore balanced levels of funding for our National Parks, Wildlife Refuges, National Forests, and other public lands all across the nation. Such funding is essential to continue their ecological health, as well as wildlife protection, law enforcement and maintenance. Not least, adequate funding is needed to meet new challenges our public lands face because of global warming.

Congress is considering budget levels for our public lands for 2010, and this is the perfect time for you to weigh in on their behalf.

.•This petition ends on Jul 15.

Link

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Thanks.. :)

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love it when you do those!

www.marcmaronrules.blogspot.com
&
www.bartcop.com

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Organizing for Health Care.

President Obama has announced three bedrock requirements for real health care reform. It must:

Reduce Costs — Rising health care costs are crushing the budgets of governments, businesses, individuals and families and they must be brought under control

Guarantee Choice — Americans must have the freedom to keep whatever doctor and health care plan they have, or to select a new doctor or health care plan if they choose

Ensure Quality Care for All — All Americans must have quality and affordable health care
Now we have to show Congress where the American people stand.

Please Read - Take Action - Thank You

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Progressive Future.Org..

Rush Limbaugh says ridiculous things every day. But what is the most ridiculous thing he's said lately?

This summer, we're fighting back against Rush's 14 million strong Dittohead army, and we're using Rush's own words to do it. We'll be on street corners across the country recruiting progressives just like you to help us fight back, and we're using life size cut-outs of Rush to highlight the ridiculous things that he's said.

We need your help to choose the first hateful rant to highlight. Take our poll on the right to let us know what you think.

https://www.progressivefuture.org/rush-poll?id4=ES

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Disbar the Torture Lawyers and Appoint a Special Prosecutor

Voters For Peace.

Write your elected representatives in Congress as well as the President and Attorney General to urge disbarment, conduct hearings to investigate torture and appoint a special prosecutor.

Please Read - Take Action - Thank You

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>>Me, from Catholic altar boy to something unholy and unspeakable to the superstitious among us.

>>Me, from a youthful viewpoint that the U.S. government fucks everything up (thanks to the Vietnam war and L.B.J. and Watergate, etc.), to a not-so-youthful viewpoint that the U.S. government does more good than bad (and could do a lot better in the future).

>>I have several other flip-flops in my personal history if you are interested.

Dammit Crank! you know as well as I do the question was framed "has anyone changed their core beliefs since the blog stated, if so, how?

and then you list a couple examples that are CLEARLY ouside of that time constraint! I don't think it is a fair debating tactic, for you change the parameters of the argument in order to tilt the results your desired direction,

harumph!

and, no, we aren't interested in `other flip-flops in my personal history', thank you! ;)
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"The Once and Future Rajah of Bhong."

Distorting Silver, Corsi suggested Dems will lose House if Obama falls below 65%
Jerome Corsi mischaracterized an analysis by Nate Silver to claim that President Obama "will need to sustain a 65-percent approval rating to avoid losing the House" in 2010. In fact, Silver predicted that Obama needs that level of support "to avoid losing any ground in the House." Read More

Chuck Norris' facts on hate crimes bill are missing in action

Chuck Norris repeated the false claim that pedophiles could be protected under the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Read More

Attacking Pelosi, Gingrich misrepresents Panetta statement
Newt Gingrich misrepresented Leon Panetta's response to Nancy Pelosi's allegation that the CIA had misled her about its use of waterboarding. Read More

NBC's Guthrie falsely claimed "[n]o congressman" has offered to take Guantánamo detainees
Savannah Guthrie falsely claimed of Guantánamo Bay detainees: "No congressman wants these detainees in their district." In fact, at least two congressmen have offered to hold Guantánamo detainees at prisons in their districts. Read More

AP disputes Reid on Guantánamo "terrorists" but let GOP falsehoods slide
The AP quoted Harry Reid saying, "We will never allow terrorists to be released into the United States," and then reported: "No one, of course, was talking about releasing terrorism suspects among the American populace." However, the AP has repeatedly reported claims from Republicans without noting the falsehood. Read More

Media falsely attribute entire auto standards cost to Obama
Numerous media outlets have falsely asserted or suggested that President Obama's emissions standards proposal alone would increase the average vehicle cost by $1,300. In fact, $700 of that increase is a result of a bill signed by President Bush in 2007. Read More

WSJ doesn't disclose Galen Institute's reported industry ties in president's health care op-ed
The Wall Street Journal published an op-ed co-written by Galen Institute president Grace-Marie Turner promoting congressional Republicans' health care reform proposal without noting that the Galen Institute reportedly receives funding from the pharmaceutical and medical industries. Read More

A smear they can't refuse: Media compare Obama administration to mobsters
Numerous media figures have compared President Obama and his administration to the mafia, frequently referencing films and television shows such as The Godfather, Goodfellas, and The Sopranos. Read More

TNR's Krieger described Huntsman as "one of the only Republican governors" to accept stimulus funds -- but they all did
A New Republic article wrongly described Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. as "one of the only Republican governors to accept money from Obama's stimulus package." In fact, all Republican governors have requested and received funds from the stimulus package. Read More

Free Democracy

Glenn Greenwald

The "debate" over all the bad and scary things that will happen if Obama closes Guantanamo and we then incarcerate those detainees in American prisons is so painfully stupid even by the standards of our political discourse that it's hard to put into words, and it also perfectly illustrates the steps that typically lead to America's National Security policies:

(1) Right-wing super-tough-guy warriors project some frightened, adolescent, neurotic fantasy onto the world -- either because they are really petrified by it or because they want others to be ("Putting Muslim Terrorists in our prisons will make us Unsafe! -- Keep them away from me, please!!!");

(2) Rather than scoff at the inane fear-mongering or point out simple facts to reveal its idiocy, Democratic "leaders" such as Harry Reid echo the right-wing fears in order to prove how Serious and Tough they are -- in our political debates, the more frightened one is, the more Serious and Tough one is -- and/or because they are genuinely frightened of being called mean names by Sean Hannity ("Harry Reid isn't as scared of this as I am, which shows that he's weak");

(3) "Journalists" who are capable of nothing other than mindlessly reciting what they hear then write articles depicting the Right's frightened neurosis as a Serious argument, and then overnight, a consensus emerges: Democrats are in big trouble politically unless they show that they, too, are as deeply frightened as the Right is..........

Let's google Bomb Joe Scarborough over intern death since he likes rehashing Rev Wright Story

From:Thu Apr-24-08

*should any decent person want to know about the truth of the dead intern found in his office in Florida that FORCED him to resign from congress and stopped him from running against katherine Harris in the primary for Senator...I think so.

Link-democraticunderground.com

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good evenin and how ya doin?

i had a wonderful day.

a year ago the guys i was restoring cars for fired me.

the reasons were bullshit and they would'nt pay me what they owed me.

i took it to the provincial employment standards folks and ended up with a thou more than i'd asked for when i left!

they'd have been better off just paying me what i wanted when i went.

greed karma in real (slow) time

w00t! i loved it.

"Jesse Ventura should stop smoking whatever he's been smoking.
It seriously should be a crime, to be that dumb on TV."
-- Joe Scarborough, angry that Jesse said he'd been waterboarded and it was torture.

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Hey Joe, should it also be a crime to murder an intern in your office,
then get your crooked governor (Jeb) to import a crooked and disgraced coroner
from another state to dummy up an autopsy that said she died of natural causes?

www.bartcop.com

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How many of those are Ken Pittman?
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Like, isn't this what SuperMax is for?

And if they're all so terrified, why not just revamp Alcatraz? Or any other isolated location that is actually a legitimate part of US territory.
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-B would be here right about now, talking tabloid gossip, or deep politics, or about some nine inch nails concert he went to last week or last year, or how if you look at it astrologically, jim morrison was the reincarnation of Jesus, or comparing video game consoles, or arcane lord of the rings theory, or on a janeanne rant, or god knows what.
You never knew what you were gonna get. And he really knew his music equipment. He could get all technical about the inner workings of a tube amp, it would blow your mind. We used to talk guitars all the time here; fish, n, mandolin jim, and a whole bunch of other musicians. Ja is around still I see. (écraséz l'infame to the uninitiated in the audience.)

'Twas some good shit, I tells ya. People don't know the value

Pushover? Ha! Stop, My Sides Are Hurting!
Submitted by Crank Bait on Wed, 05/20/2009 - 11:16pm.
Submitted by nora on Wed, 05/20/2009 - 7:52pm.
...He has a way of trying to cut me out of the herd and brand me, though, at which point I feel I'd be a pushover if I did not say something in reply...
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I don't like intemperate statements that lack substantive support or lack the disclaimer "in my opinion" (which implies subjective intuition, at the least).

{[Reply: Talk about 'intemperate'. What is hanging out and baiting people all the time? Hardly a temperate pasttime. Where's the "restraint" displayed there? I'm just sayin'. I mean, if definitions of words used have bearing. And then this pronouncement that "in my opinion" is a necessity. You have stock in selling memory by the humongobyte or something? What isn't opinion on blogs? Even if one cites 'facts', one has a perception that the source of the 'facts' is trustworthy; does THAT rest in the area of opinion, too? As for intuition, it cannot be divorced from 'feelings' and so emotional content, and yet is also in the realm of opinion, no? My conclusion: It's mostly opinion; constant labelling could get redundant.]}

When I read or hear anything that reminds me of Rush Limbaugh's style, I immediately become suspicious and raise my guard.

{[Reply: Your reference is lost on me. I've never listened to Limbaugh, with the exception of Al Franken's bits and Sam's rebuttal segment. I could never stand talk radio all the years it was dominated by the Right. Not until I stumbled on AAR in 2004 did I become interested.]}

I believe that emotional rants and name-calling and loose supposition harm the cause of The Left, regardless of which cause it is and regardless of how many people on The Left support the cause.

[{Reply: People express their zeal, enthusiasm, outrage, shock, concern or passion in different ways. You bait people and tap out chastisements. Some use guttah language (like Maron's defense of the f-word). I think I know what you may be labelling "emotional rants" with what appears to be derision, but since you don't give an actual example, I can only guess. I can say that what I consider an effective emotional rant, I find to be one of the most engaging, energizing, inspiring aspects of the blog and talk radio; when rants ring sincere, I am impressed with the ranter's openness; when they are insightful, I am impressed with the ranter's presence of mind. I don't dismiss all rants as irresponsible, misleading or harmful. And name-calling is a tough one -- but really, some individuals like Dick Bruce Cheney really have earned scorn and handles like the President of Vice, etc. By the way, what is your definition of The Left? Does the realm of The Left include dismissive comments about women and the poor? From my perspective I describe The Left as more idealistic.]}

I understand that my distaste for that style will never make it go away, but I don't have to let it steamroll by without comment.

{[Reply: Fair enough. I'd like to reserve the same right about similar things.}]

You and I disagree on some very key points but we are never going to be able to exchange ideas while you are screaming about Corporatist Authoritarians as if screaming about the stranglehold by corporations on U.S. government/society and screaming about the inculcation of authoritarian mindsets in American children is going to solve our problems.

{[Reply: Has anyone (particularly a female) ever pointed out to you that when you characterize them as "screamers", it is not conducive to friendly conversation? What is wrong with calling Corporatist Authoritarians Corporatist Authoritarians? Is one supposed to find a gentle substitute of a word -- like maybe substituting the term "oxygen depriver" for "strangler"? Crank -- even Franklin Delano Roosevelt called these exploiters "ROYALISTS". Oh, did I capitalize that? Was I "screaming" in your estimation? Even Thomas Jefferson UNDERLINED words in his letters! Ooo. An exclamation point. Perhaps you should petition the computer manufacturers to remove that exclamation point key from the pad!]}

You can scream and repeat the obvious as long and as much as you choose. If you believe that you are educating people, more power to you, but I suggest that you do your educating some place where your readers are not already pretty damned educated about corporations and authoritarianism.

{[Reply: This is a very hurtful paragraph. I'll accept your apology if you offer it. Anyway, if you are all knowing and bored beyond forbearance, then that's your space. Being inclusive (that's the part of the definition of The Left I accept), I accept you being in your space. And I'll give this bit of comparison, too, as explanation: If my background in communications and publications has taught me anything, it taught me that every generation needs cookbooks. You'd think they'd just use their parents' cookbooks, wouldn't you? But people don't. They want their own cookbooks. Oh, and that proves, too, that each generation doesn't learn to cook by instinct or osmosis either. So there are people at all stages of cookbookhood -- those who don't need one anymore (perhaps like you, all-seeing, all-knowing Crank, who has memorized his cookbooks backwards and forwards), those who are enthused about learning all they can from the stack of cookbooks they are most recently getting to know (like me), and those who have yet to discover a cookbook (perhaps some visitor to this blog). I would hope all stages of cookbookhood might be found here. Back to your charge of name-calling, I think life would be alot better in this country if more people knew what a "predatory lender" is. I don't see how calling a spade a spade is so unacceptable. Actually, avoiding clear descriptions seems a fatuous way to communicate, from my perspective.]}

I have written on this blog, several times, my thoughts on child rearing and the pervasive continuation of authoritarianism in U.S. society by the "spare the rod" folks. One generation does unto the next much the same way that it was done unto. Societies change by changing the mindset imbued in the next generations.

I have also written about corporations and all of the nasty things that have evolved since they became part of the American fabric. In my opinion, it's a tougher nut to crack than changing the way that the next generation thinks because money talks louder than anything else.

Whining about both, by you OR me, isn't getting the job done.

{[Reply to above three paragraphs: So now that you "whined" about these topics, you want no one else to have a chance at cracking tough nuts? Could you be a grumpy, greedy old naysayer of a nut protector? Oh, Keeper of The Tough Nuts, step aside and let someone else give it a try if they feel like it.]}

Good for you standing up, and sounds like the system worked too, which is encouraging. Great job. Congrats!

Radio". sniff
;)

btw this was in response to -B. My wee hours in "mourn" were ruined. sniff sniff

catharine, cathy, meg, and bibi don't post regularly

willow, 13ben, jik & jenise haven't posted for ages

and mel suddenly appeared and just as quickly disappeared

then there's connie & spike & mucky & exhausted blogger
& ilo & wanda & darlene & mat
& rustle of luv & frtiz, etc

sure there's been some great newbies

but then dregs, such as cranes & nick danger & myrtle have totally fouled up the joint

dregs that have no edge, no spark, no style, no humour

definitely no cool...

nothing!

just dregs

thank goodness nora has increased her output

: )

There's no substitute. It's ridiculous. You can only get a good electric guitar tone from using technology that dates to the 20's. Vacuum tubes. None of the solid-state stuff cuts it, though Peavey has tried admirably. Digital? The Line6 PODs sound, well, ok. But not great.

Most guitar players in bands I play on bills with, they've got an OK amp with a board full of pedals. Every pedal in that chain is sucking tone out of the signal coming from the guitar to the amp. Unbelievable. 4 or 5 pedals, at $1-200 a piece, each doing their part to suck the signal. So they're sending a shit signal to their Fender Deville or whatever. Shit in, shit out.

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he's still stuck on "it was a sexist remark"
"it was a sexist remark"
"it was a sexist remark"

oblivious to the context...

"it was a sexist remark"
"it was a sexist remark"

i beg to differ

it's a real case scenario that i callously attributed to kate bush

"it was a sexist remark"
"it was a sexist remark"

(but what do i expect from a blind utopian)

"i'm a snarky ass"
"i'm a snarky ass"

but first Tea, YEA YEA YEA {in a few, e-r}

ACORN.

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"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I'm sure you can out-last me through pure verbiage. I'm not baiting you, I'm honestly sick of the subject and I'm horribly sorry to have offended you by stating that I was offended by you.

Feel free to respond with another 37 posts about unrelated nonsense as you please.
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;) {& me with no Tea} eek
... I'm Late, I'm Late for a very important date,
No Time to say hello, goodbye.
I'm late, I'm late, I'm late.

you know what i think of misogynists

they're one step up from pedophiles

i've posted about guys offering sexual favours for career advancements

am i a reverse sexist

eya Kev!
Submitted by Sunshine Jim on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 2:49am.
good evenin and how ya doin?

i had a wonderful day.
i took it to the provincial employment standards folks and ended up with a thou more than i'd asked for when i left!

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Your in Canada right ? ;)

If it wasn't so friggin cold there....etc..

Haven't been to sma11 c1amis court down here yet..
It's probab1y a zoo..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

you took a full-body blow from my nest of vipers

: )

his music comments turned out to be chunks of music site articles. he never used quotes so he took credit for being personally insightful.

he seldom would communicate with anyone responding to him without threatening them.

i figured his merchant marine experiences had taken him off the edge.

the rest of the gang is sorely missed by me.

:D

I have one..A Demo ofcourse.. :)

Marshall JVM Series JVM410C Tube Combo Amp

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

believe it or not

i have one right in front of me

(piping hot)

i pick my battles now.

the boys indulged in a little knifework thinking i'd fold easy.

took a year but it was worth the hassle.

was a shame really, if they had'nt punked out on me we could have made some real bucks and had some fun too.

thanks for being an even keel

ya know i posted the weather most days of the last 5 years.

it ain't that cold. It is a pain in the ass to emigrate up here though.

Glad to hear you got a bit of justice, Jim.

My Merck/Vioxx suit is supposed to be resolved this September. I'm hoping but cautious. With my luck they'll just say I'm not dead so you get nothing.

STFU!!!

(love ya ol snort)

it was obvious as to what was c&p...

what do you think he wrote the bible

(lol)

his huge swathes of c&p were annoying

but it did augment his own original writing

which was wild

it's hard to fly with the eagles when yer surrounded by assholes.

back then i was only another reed in this pond

now i'm a monster

arguing with sam about page-2

arguing with the bloggers about stretched pics, spam, unclosed tags, etc

and pissing on dregs

(it's a crying shame)

night gang,

love y'all!

Brings me back to my rant about our spineless congress.

you prevailed against the assholes

it's a crying shame that these assholes exist

from right then in front of your nose

to the halls of congress

white-anting our time and life

you can turn up to 11. If, y'know, the occasion called for it.

mackerel, 4 channels? damn...
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at least you are'nt an attention whore.

was that a joke...

now go to bed

: )

the labor standards lady was a good soul.

it always boils down to individuals.

i was straight with her and she was fair.

good enough for this ol fart and then some.

G'nite.

4 Accused of Bombing Plot at Bronx Synagogues
By JAVIER C. HERNANDEZ and AL BAKER

Officials said the yearlong investigation culminated as the men tried to carry out an attack in the Bronx.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/nyregion/21arrests.html?hp

i wasn't a prince; i was a shit and as abrupt as i am now

exhibit-a: yo, filthy rich - i went to watch...

Our Dream is Not a Dream: A World Without IFIS!

http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/contentviewer.php?content_id=1307

i clicked "watch"

and got "this page cannot be displayed"

(what gives!)

WMDs in Newburgh?

A reader asks, reasonably, about this count in the criminal complaint against four men in the foiled New York terror plot:

COUNT ONE: CONSPIRACY TO USE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION WITHIN THE UNITED STATES"

. . . the defendants, at least one of whom traveled in and caused another to travel in interstate commerce in furtherance of the offense, and others known and unknown, unlawfully and knowingly did combine, conspire, confederate and agree together and with each other to use a weapon of mass destruction, to wit, a surface-to-air guided missile system and an improvised explosive device ("IED") containing over 30 pounds of Composition 4 ('C-4") military grade plastic explosive material against persons and property within the United States.

Without in any way downplaying the scariness of their intentions, this isn't a familiar use of the phrase "weapons of mass destruction."

In any event, this is the most terror-related news on Americans' minds for quite a while, though neither the local New York news nor cable offered the sort of wall-to-wall coverage of the foiled plot that it might have gotten, in part at the urging of federal officials, in the Bush years.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/WMDs_in_Newburgh.html

UPDATE: A lawyer emails over the relevant U.S. Code, here and here, which does seem to define the term down a bit.

Ref 1: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002332---a000-.h...

Ref 2: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002332---a000-.h...

By Ben Smith 12:26 AM

I also have a small piece of crap Marshall digital

practice amp..

But,it lets me jam over CD's..

Which is fun..

And,not as bloody loud as the other one..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

eya Kev!
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Submitted by Sunshine Jim on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 2:49am.

good evenin and how ya doin?

i had a wonderful day.

a year ago the guys i was restoring cars for fired me.

the reasons were bullshit and they would'nt pay me what they owed me.

i took it to the provincial employment standards folks and ended up with a thou more than i'd asked for when i left!

they'd have been better off just paying me what i wanted when i went.

greed karma in real (slow) time

w00t! i loved it.

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Good for you.... glad you made out with extra 8-)

I just realized this is Memorial Weekend ... thought it was next weekend.

By E.J. Dionne Jr.
Thursday, May 21, 2009

President Obama's lieutenants would love it if all the networks ran a crawl line at the bottom of the screen during news broadcasts that kept repeating: "The economy, health care, energy, education. The economy, health care . . . "

Then there's reality. Over the past two weeks, the past has ensnared the present, deflecting attention from Obama's domestic priorities and raising issues that divide his coalition. We're talking about torture as much as health care, military commissions as much as green energy, and Nancy Pelosi as much as Barack Obama.

In principle, the administration is philosophical about this. "Presidents can't only deal with what they want to," said David Axelrod, Obama's senior adviser. "They have to deal with what comes and what they have to."

But Axelrod made clear that Obama truly wishes that some issues could be dispensed with. "The balance he wants to strike," Axelrod said in an interview, "is to solve the mess we found in ways that don't trigger endless, backward-looking partisan battles that inhibit our efforts to get other things done."

This is reasonable, but Obama is caught between two powerful forces and two conflicting ideas.

Republicans want to change the subject from their own party's failures and distract from the progress Obama and Democrats in Congress are making on health care and cap-and-trade legislation. Their slogan might be: Bring on the past!

Many Democrats, in the meantime, are eager to hold the Bush administration accountable for its policies on torture and all manner of other things. They are also uneasy -- in fact, many are deeply unhappy -- with a series of Obama decisions accepting some Bush approaches, notably barring the release of photos of prisoner abuse and continuing to use military commissions to try certain terrorism suspects. The complementary slogan from these Democrats might be: You can't escape the past!

Characteristically, Obama will try to cut through all this with a speech today explaining his decisions, including plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, and proposing, again, that the country move on.

If anyone can work magic with a speech, it's Obama. And he's making his case to a public that already wants to focus on the current domestic crisis and not on leftover issues from a Bush administration many would prefer to forget.

But the fact that Obama is giving the speech reflects the administration's realization that its initial efforts to put these issues to bed have fallen short. Why?

Led by Dick Cheney, many Republicans believe that national security is still the Democrats' greatest vulnerability, and they will try to keep this front open even if it means defending torture. Obama is right to pause before releasing those abuse photographs, and there may be no alternative but to use military commissions in some of the terrorism cases. But in making these decisions, the president has looked more reactive than principled.

More here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/20/AR200905...

as a canadian buddy of mine once sung...

The king is gone but he's not forgotten

Is this the story of air-ono?

: )

from an unreleased pentagon report. the story was making the rounds on msnbc last night as part of the push by republicans and blue dogs to keep gitmo open.

i only have one question. why is the number so low?

think about it. sometime in the last 7 years you were snatched from where you live, locked up in a cell, never allowed access to justice, beaten, tortured, abused. you have a chance to strike back at the people that did this to you and instead you're going to go home and plant flowers?

personally, i think we ought to have bush, cheney, and the rest of the evil neocons move back to the ranch at crawford, put up a tall immigration style fence around the place and release all the detainess there. we could air drop food and water into the place and sit back and wait for things to sort themselves out.

Liz Smith: Ann Richards Would Have Seceded Rick Perry's Head From His Shoulders!

“Now is the time for all good women to come to the aid of their country … Quit whining … If you ask your mother, the answer will be ‘no’ … Your move … You don’t have to stay in the lines! … You don’t have to do it just because he says so … Let’s outlaw high-heel shoes … Girl, I can’t wait to get this girdle off … Don’t put my social security into the stock market … The only one with sense enough to leave the Alamo was a woman!” This interesting advice has been printed on wOw before, as a tribute to the late onetime governor of Texas, Ann Richards.

It would be great if Ann were alive today to tell us what she thinks about Texas Governor Rick Perry and his suggestions, which he now denies, that the state should secede from the union.

The Texans who elected Rick Perry are mighty dumb but that doesn’t mean all Texans agree with him. And I thought we already proved back in 1865 that states cannot secede from the union.

http://www.wowowow.com/entertainment/liz-smith-ann-richards-rick-perry-s...

Can BofA CEO Ken Lewis Keep His Job?
He might, if Bank of America can manage to turn a profit. But BofA officials fear Washington wants to push the CEO out

The pressure on Bank of America (BAC) Chief Executive Officer Kenneth D. Lewis is growing by the day.

It was bad enough that shareholders recently voted to strip Lewis of his chairmanship—a revolt the 62-year-old executive called a "humbling experience." Now some powerful policymakers in Washington want to push out Lewis altogether, according to people close to the bank. "It's a battle of wills," says a person close to the board. "If the bank turns a profit, Lewis is fine. But if there's another blip down, the board may have to succumb." A Treasury spokesman declined to comment.

In the weeks since the government released the results of stress tests on big U.S. financial institutions, regulators have made it clear that banks needing extra money from Washington could face a management shakeup. The BofA board, which so far has resisted pressure to replace Lewis and has stood by him, is quietly preparing for that possibility and will soon create a list of potential successors. Regulators also want the bank to revamp its board.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_22/b4133000978445.htm?ca...

Rush Limbaugh challenges MSNBC, Ed Schultz challenges Rush Limbaugh

Birmingham Progressive Politics Examiner

Radio showman and self-admitted 'titular head of the Republican party', Rush Limbaugh, issued a challenge to television network MSNBC on his radio show yesterday to refrain talking about him (Limbaugh) for a full thirty days.

Today, MSNBC host, Ed Schultz agreed to the challenge if Rush Limbaugh would agree to go for 30 days without making any derogatory or hateful comments about the President of the United States.

It seems that Rush Limbaugh hasn't been getting enough attention in the news lately because today Limbaugh said he was resigning as the "titular head of the Republican party." He said he was passing the "baton" to General Colin Powell.

But in December, Rush Limbaugh said that Colin Powell isn't a Republican at all because there is "no such thing as a moderate Republican. A moderate Republican is a liberal." Limbaugh also accused the decorated war veteran of voting for Obama because of his "race."

Pharmaceutical Lobbyist Dick Armey Inspires GOP To Obstruct Health Care Reform

Media Matters Action Network

On May 20, 2009, former House Majority Leader and current healthcare lobbyist Dick Armey tweeted that he had given a talk to the House GOP about stopping President Obama's healthcare plans............

Liz Smith: Ann Richards
Submitted by toniD on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 6:10am.
Liz Smith: Ann Richards Would Have Seceded Rick Perry's Head From His Shoulders!
*******

Having been born in Texas I sure wish Ann Richards was still running the show there..
Wish Molly Ivins was still around,too..

But,Texans are stuck with big hair Perry..A shame.

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I was thinking the same thing about these people locked up for so long wanting revenge. I think I would also.

First thing I thought when I heard that statistic last night on Olbermann

as a next career move: professional thorn in the side of the right wing radio or tv bloviators who currently have the jobs that should - by all rights - be his - by his superior intellect and critical debating skills

start calling out all these douchebags, engage them, make mincemeat of them, turn them into mush, chew them and spit them out

who knows, maybe at some point some of those clueless suits will get a clue

they're not clueless
they're gatekeepers

now sam has to scrounge around for cheap laughs
lowering himself to maron's level

(it's a crying shame)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

and there's a face painted on it

ho-ho-ho...

(another nail in the blog's coffin)

WASHINGTON

The Obama White House on Wednesday undid a Bush administration policy that used federal health and safety regulations to limit the ability of injured consumers to sue companies in state courts.

The move involving a policy known as "pre-emption" marks the latest step by President Barack Obama to redo the policies of his predecessor.

Trial lawyers who file class-action lawsuits on behalf of millions of consumers praised Obama's action.

The issue of pre-emption extends far beyond just the right to sue.

In the past eight years, federal agencies pre-empted laws across a wide range of areas -- health, safety and environmental regulations as well as financial and consumer protections.

"We're saying no more of that approach," said Kenneth Baer, communications director at the White House Office of Management and Budget. "We're going back to making it clearer and more orderly and more defensible under the law.".........

:):(

the Business Week's articles on Healthcare:

Health-Care Reform: Who Pays Is So Taboo
Neither Congress nor the White House will endorse any of the options: raise taxes, ration care, or cut payments to doctors, hospitals, and drugmakers

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_22/b4133000817326.htm?ca...

My comment was about signle payer healthcare as opposed to insurance companies. It has yet to show up in comments. I should have copied it before posting so I could have posted here too.

I wonder if Business Week will allow it to be posted since my last paragraph was:
Worried about insurance companies? I'm not! They've been raping us for years.

I don't think Business Week would like that comment much!

PERFECT MMRULES LMAO
;D

kevin? I think it is next weekend

i hope i am wrong

Think Progress:

Today, Senate Democrats announced that the Senate will strip $80 million in funding for closing Guantanamo until the Obama administration devises a specific plan for transferring detainees. The move comes as conservatives are pushing the claim that Guantanamo "terrorists" could escape into Americans' backyard if the facility is closed.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) declared in a press conference today, "We will never allow terrorists to be released into the United States." In several tense back and forths with reporters, Reid said he opposes imprisoning detainees on U.S. soil, saying flatly, "We don't want them around the United States":

REID: I'm saying that the United States Senate, Democrats and Republicans, do not want terrorists to be released in the United States. That's very clear.

QUESTION: No one's talking about releasing them. We're talking about putting them in prison somewhere in the United States.

REID: Can't put them in prison unless you release them.

QUESTION: Sir, are you going to clarify that a little bit? ...

REID: I can't make it any more clear than the statement I have given to you. We will never allow terrorists to be released in the United States.

Later, Reid repeated that he would not support Guantanamo detainees being transferred to U.S prisons:

QUESTION: But Senator, Senator, it's not that you're not being clear when you say you don't want them released. But could you say - would you be all right with them being transferred to an American prison?

REID: Not in the United States.

Our pool opens this weekend and always opens on Memorial Day weekend. So next Monday you have a day off. I am on call. If it's above 70 and not raining, I have to work.

Glad I am not the only one 8-)

It is on Monday the 25th this year.

I don't even know the Indy 500 line-up ... that's how much out of the loop I am about this weekend.

Who died and made you The Blog Critic ?

Wow ! A Neil Young YouTube ! Done before dud.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

that would be nice, one unexpected day of freedom

And that is the reason that Reid's polls are falling. I am just hoping that a Dem takes his place because Nevada is very unhappy with him.

to AGAIN REREAD some of her writings. The Cycle Continues.}

awright, i'll take your word for it

will start celebrating today (happy hour tonight, because friday, ya know, it's just for booby bounce)

Obama pulls back Bush-era policy curbing lawsuits
Submitted by Kevin © on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 6:49am.

*******

Get voted down 5 to 4 again..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Obama to lay out "framework" for closing Guantanamo

By Matt Spetalnick

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama on Thursday will outline his strategy for closing the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, hoping to defuse a revolt by lawmakers over the fate of an internationally reviled symbol of Bush-era detainee policy.

In a much-anticipated speech, Obama will defend his still-emerging plan to shutter the detention camp at a U.S. Naval base in Cuba as he tries to ease concerns that some terrorism suspects held there could be set free in the United States.

He had vowed on his second day in office to close the prison within a year as part of his effort to repair America's tarnished image abroad.

At the same time Obama is speaking, former Vice President Dick Cheney, an architect of Bush's detainee policy and a harsh critic of Obama's approach, will be at a Washington think tank giving a speech partly entitled "Keeping America Safe."

But four months into his presidency, Obama suffered a stinging setback on Wednesday when the Senate, controlled by fellow Democrats, blocked the $80 million he had sought for the shutdown until he decides what to do with the facility's 240 inmates.

Democratic lawmakers, worried that some of the prisoners could be jailed or even released in the United States, rebelled against Obama after opposition Republicans threatened to brand them as soft on terrorism.

Despite his high public approval rating, Obama faces a major test of his leadership as he tries to quell a controversy that threatens to divert his attention from his declared top priority of rescuing the ailing U.S. economy.

While most Democrats agree Guantanamo should be closed, they are demanding a detailed plan before releasing funds to launch the process.

If the funds are not released soon, it could be difficult for Obama to meet his January 2010 deadline for decommissioning the prison, which was authorized by President George W. Bush after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States and has long been condemned by international human rights groups.

LAYING OUT 'FRAMEWORK'
More here:

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54K11020090521?feedTy...

WAUSAU, Wis. – Just hours after an 11-year-old girl died of untreated diabetes, her mother told police she never considered taking her tired, pale and skinny daughter to a doctor for what she believed was a spiritual attack.

Leilani Neumann said in a videotaped interview played Wednesday at her trial that the Lord was going to take care of her daughter and all she needed was prayer.

"It did scare me with her being cold," Neumann told an Everest Metro Police Department detective. "I just believed the Lord is going to heal her. I never thought she was close to death. ... It was just like this all happened so suddenly. She just looked skinny all of a sudden."

Neumann, 41, is on trial for second-degree reckless homicide for praying instead of seeking medical care for Madeline, who died March 23, 2008, at their Weston home. Her husband also has been charged and will be tried in July.

Prosecutors contend a reasonable parent would have known something was gravely wrong with Madeline but that her mother prayed and ignored obvious symptoms of poor health instead of rushing her to a doctor. If convicted, Neumann faces up to 25 years in prison....

from the national archives around 10 this morning.

and the m$m is spitting on all of us by following up with a speech that cheney is giving at 10:45 on the same topic.

its time for congress to take actions against cheney so that he will simply stfu and go away.

and now you know why michelle bachmann is in congress.

consider also the case of the child from minnesota with treatable lymphoma whose parents are denying him that treatment for religous reasons.

i thought southwest ohio was kuckoo for koko puffs but it looks like minnesota and wisconsim have their fair share of these religous whackjobs too.

Will Bear Watching

We mentioned last week the case of Charlie Millard, the Bush appointee who briefly ran the Pension Benefits Guaranty Corporation -- the government chartered company that insures many private pension plans. During his brief stint he put in place policies to move most of the Corporation's assets out of relatively safe bonds into stock, real estate and hedge funds. Four senators have already asked for a criminal probe into Millard's tenure. And today he took the fifth when called to testify.

--Josh Marshall

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/bush_pension_chief_cha...

Obama to lay out "framework"
new
Submitted by toniD on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 7:11am.

Obama to lay out "framework" for closing Guantanamo

By Matt Spetalnick

**********

The senate vote was 90-6 against funding the closing AND funding an investigation of torture in GITMO ... think it was $30 million for the Torture investigation .... that vote tells me that only 6 senators have clean hands on what happened in GITMO ... the rest want it buried.

Egyptian billionaire sentenced to die in murder of Lebanese pop star

Reporting from Cairo -- A billionaire developer and former member of the Egyptian Parliament was sentenced to death Thursday for ordering the murder of his former girlfriend, a troubled Lebanese pop singer whose body was found in her high-rise apartment in the Persian Gulf emirate of Dubai.

The verdict against Hisham Talaat Mustafa, once a member of the ruling National Democratic Party, was the latest twist in a drama that has offered a rare peek into the closely guarded realm of Egypt's politicians and businessmen. Mustafa was found guilty of paying $2 million to a former policeman in 2008 to kill Suzanne Tamim, a diva whose professional slide led her into an affair with one of the country's richest men.

Appearing in court wearing prison-issued white shirt and pants, Mustafa was granted an immediate review of the sentence by Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa. A religious investigation is common in Egypt for death penalty cases, but few expected that a tycoon who built luxury hotels and had ties to President Hosni Mubarak's family would be facing the gallows.

"I am definitely sad because today's decision shows that the court is moving in a particular direction," said Mustafa's lawyer, Farid El-Deeb. He added that his client, who sat in a defendant's cage during Thursday brief hearing, was also entitled to an appeal before Egypt's highest court.

The verdict may be a sign to businessmen "that nobody is above the law," said Hassan Nafae, a writer and political commentator. "It may deter some arrogant businessmen who thought there were no political or legal constraints on their ambitions as well as their sexual desires.".......

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt-murder22-2009m...

weird story.

didn't realise there was such a position
& didn't realise someone had to die

i realise you're joking, but anyway...

tell me when you criticise what you consider to be shit e.g. bush & limbaugh

i don't ask for your press credentials, as if you need permission

same with me -- if something is shit e.g. bush & limbaugh

or your hideous pics...

pics that have the impact of an anvil falling on my toes
pics that would render a beauty pageant sedate by comparison
pics that have reduced this once sistine chapel of words
into a fucking b-grade disneyworld

then by the power vested in me, i shall scream

(nb: you're not robinson crusoe)
(and i wish seder would take away all yours crayons & glitter)

lmao...

that's beautiful

So how's life treating you over yonder ?

Good I hope.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

i don't know if i'm reading this post incorrrectly...

Markos laughs at 911 accusation
Submitted by ghettodefender on Wed, 05/20/2009 - 7:48pm.
http://www.samsedershow.com/node/4787#comment-338547

was it related to...

//A-fucking-men, Cenk//
Submitted by air-ono on Wed, 05/20/2009 - 6:49pm.
http://www.samsedershow.com/node/4787#comment-338523

i wasn't denegrating daily kos bloggers when i wrote it

(it's a great site)

i was alluding to the fact that the daily kos has a sizable following, and that hack cenk, by writing there, puts himself front and centre of their minds

as exposure is everything, sam should abandon those silly videos and concentrate on writing there or the daily beast or at the huffington post, etc

(nb: this is unsolicited advice and no one died for me to write it)

so there, mmr

:p

but slowly slowly

dragging myself out

:)

...this night to day...and say, "Whoooooo areeeeee youuuuuu?"
{LBH=Led/Lead Balloon Humour = it just doesn't fly {but funny 2 me, teehee}}
;)

dragging myself out
*******
Ono..That's all ya can do.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

for which I will be at the lady doctor (damn).

Anybody who didn't watch this Rachel yet from last night might want to.(About the nominally off-the-record "huddle" with them weirdo constitutionalists that're trying to get Murcans kilt by catch-and-release terra-ists.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#30856294

FIAT - fix it again toni

FORD - fix or repair daily

Brendan, this kind of nonchalance...
Submitted by BingoBingo on Wed, 05/20/2009 - 2:22pm.

...shows little respect for the role your audience/viewers play in this 'new' kind of show.

So you have a show that is roughly 50/50 co-hosted by Marc and Sam - while sitting side by side in a break room. You called "Break Room Live". The banter between the hosts and the interaction with the audience is played up from the outset.

Now you "change the format" so that Marc is now the ONLY one live. This live time currently accounts for about 90% of the show and 100% of the post show chat. Sam doesn't have a way to engage in on-air discussion with either Marc or with the audience. The pre-recorded bits that Sammy does are jarringly unconnected to what Marc is talking about.

Are you surprised that dropping this "format change" on us is something the audience is surprised/pissed off about? In this 2.0 world, was Sam's connection to the audience considered in this decision?

I'm baffled
»

That's why they call him/her Bingo Bingo I guess. ;}

{Fuck'd Up, Insecure, Neurotic, & Emotional}
TeeHee TeeHee ;)

AARP's former events director has pleaded guilty in a scam involving a sham company he created to get $250,000 in contracts from the advocacy group.

Bruce Sanders of Washington admitted he entered AARP into three consulting and production contracts with the fake company, naming as president of the company a man with whom Sanders was romantically involved.

allhatnocattle.net

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Banks are using a little-known tactic to help pay bonuses, deferred pay and pensions they owe executives: They're holding life-insurance policies on hundreds of thousands of their workers, with themselves as the beneficiaries

allhatnocattle.net

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

1st of the dueling speeches this AM.

Cheney's last up. Don't know if that's good or bad.

This FBI investigation and the arrest of these men that were supposedly trying to bomb Jewish temples in NY, the timing is suspect.

sounds to me like good old fashioned law enforcement worked as opposed to torture...

I agree it's good old fashioned investigating but to arrest home grown terrorists the day b4 this dueling speeches on terrorism and Guantanamo is suspect.

It just whips up the fear in people.

Where are they going to keep these new arrests? Would they have sent them to Gitmo?

It seems Bushian, but I suppose might help Obama counteract the 'you're making us less safe with your no-torture policies' that we're bound to hear from the Dark One.

malloy or maybe it was hartmann was talking about how the republicans want to cast the terrorists and detainees as some sort of super villian that american prisons can't contain. personally i don't get it.

i wonder more if its the case that you can argue that torture in guantanomo isn't necessarily illegal because its not part of the sovereign united states.

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

nothing wrong with that!! thanks for the info, Bob!

Perfectionism, as a way of life, tends to be self-defeating. New research suggests it may also be deadly.

That's the conclusion of a Canadian study of senior citizens just published in the Journal of Health Psychology. Researchers conducted psychological tests on 450 elderly residents of southern Alberta, and then kept tabs on them for 6½ years. During that period, just over 30 percent of the subjects, who ranged in age from 65 to 87, died.

Perfectionists — that is, those who expressed "a strong motivation to be perfect" and revealed a tendency toward "all or nothing thinking" — were approximately 51 percent more likely to have died during the life of the study than those with more reasonable self-expectations.

Hear that, ghetto? LOL

about how they handled security after 9-11

i've always wanted to see a talker call in like any other guy debate another talker.
Sam you should do this more often. This was fun. It's what talk radio should be.

i'm not beyond shameless self-promotion. visit punditfight.com to see Sam battle it out with the rest of the pundits. left and right!

... Protecting Pedophiles to Fight Gay Marriage

In the Empire State, opponents of gay marriage are disorganized and poorly funded. The New York Times details several reasons why America's self-appointed moral scolds aren't mounting much of a fight on this one, among which is this delicious bit:

The state’s Roman Catholic bishops have been somewhat distracted, too, having focused their lobbying energies this session on defeating a bill that would extend the statute of limitations for victims of sexual abuse to bring civil claims, and have appeared unprepared for the battle over marriage.

Hey wait a minute, I was told that all gay people ARE pedophiles! Call it a win/win for teh gays!

Dick time.

HAha!

person as president. obama is laying it all out on a point by point basis, no fear, no emotion, just facts.

The history of the synthetic H1N1 flu virus and a not-so-rosy future
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

May 21, 2009, 00:20

(WMR) -- The history of the extraction of the genetic material from the corpses of victims of the 1918 Spanish influenza virus who were buried in Arctic permafrost is part “X-Files” and part “Jurassic Park.”

After an unsuccessful 1951 mission, that involved U.S. biological warfare specialists, to extract 1918 Spanish flu genetic material in 1951 from a cemetery in the Inupiat Eskimo village of Brevig Mission, Alaska, scientists made another attempt, a successful one it turns out, in 1997.

Dr. Johan Hultin, from the State University of Iowa, successfully extracted genetic material from the corpse of an obese 30-something female who died from the Spanish flu in 1918, along with 85 percent of Brevig Mission’s (called Teller Mission in 1918) villagers in a single week. The pandemic killed at least 50 million people around the world.

Once the Spanish flu genetic material was obtained from the lungs, spleen, liver, and heart of the Eskimo woman’s corpse, scientists, in a scene reminiscent of the fictional movie “Jurassic Park,” in which genetic material from extinct dinosaurs is used to bring the creatures back to life, recreated the long-since dead 1918 Spanish flu in a U.S. government-funded laboratory. The woman’s organs were cut into one-inch cubes and shipped to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Rockville, Maryland, where the virus’s genetic RNA material was identified and the 1918 Spanish flu was successfully brought back to life.

con't
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4724.shtml

good!!!

Blammo!!

The natural hall reverberation gives him a powerful presence. (like I am the president and the M$M and B&C sicko fants will have to listen and stop getting in the way of my communication with the regular people.) AT least until they go back to promoting cheney's madness.

I noticed that too.

"I am the great and powerful Oz."

BAGHDAD — Three American soldiers were killed Thursday in a bombing in Baghdad, the U.S. military said, part of a burst of violence only weeks before American combat troops are due to leave Iraqi cities.

The attack was one of a series of bombings to hit Baghdad and the northern city of Kirkuk, killing at least 66 people and wounding dozens more in two days.

The deadliest blast Thursday occurred in Baghdad's southern Dora district, where a bomb exploded near an American foot patrol, U.S. and Iraqi officials said.

For anyone who can't listen to sound where they are or gets interrupted:

Remarks of President Barack Obama - As Prepared for Delivery
Protecting Our Security and Our Values
National Archives Museum
Washington, D.C.
May 21, 2009

These are extraordinary times for our country. We are confronting an historic economic crisis. We are fighting two wars. We face a range of challenges that will define the way that Americans will live in the 21st century. There is no shortage of work to be done, or responsibilities to bear.

And we have begun to make progress. Just this week, we have taken steps to protect American consumers and homeowners, and to reform our system of government contracting so that we better protect our people while spending our money more wisely. The engines of our economy are slowly beginning to turn, and we are working toward historic reform of health care and energy. I welcome the hard work that has been done by the Congress on these and other issues.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/21/obama-national-archives-s_n_206...

Thursday, May 21, 2009
Mockery is all Dick Cheney deserves
by Joe Sudbay

As the cable news talking heads foam at the mouth over Dick Cheney's speech this morning, being billed as a response to Obama, Josh Marshall reminds us who Dick Cheney is:

This is someone who not only organized and seemingly directed a policy of state-sponsored torture. He did it in large part to get people to admit to crankish conspiracy theories he got taken in by by a crew of think-tank jockeys in DC whose theories most even half way sensible people treated as punch lines of jokes. So it's Torquemada or 1984 but only after getting rescripted by Mel Brooks.

This is an extremely gullible man who has just come off being the driving ideological force in an administration that most people can already see produced more fiascos and titanic, self-inflicted goofs than possibly any in our entire history. By any standard the guy is a monumental failure -- and not one whose mistakes stem in some Lyndon Johnson fashion from tragic overreach, but just a fool who damaged his country through his own gullibility, paranoia and bad judgment. Whatever else you can say about the Cheney story it ain't Shakespearean.

So as we see the big reporters trying to put him on some sort of equal footing with President Obama today, let's remember that the great majority of Americans see Dick Cheney, accurately, as a clown. And mockery isn't just the most effective but also the most morally apt response to the man.

con't

http://www.americablog.com/2009/05/mockery-is-all-dick-cheney-deserves.h...

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

In a study released this week, Kate Bronfenbrenner, director of Cornell University's School of Industrial and Labor Relations, documents the increase in corporate tactics to interfere with, block and delay workers' attempts to form unions, and the ineffectiveness of current labor law to protect and enforce workers' rights in the election process.

The study, "No Holds Barred: The Intensification of Employer Opposition to Organizing," examines more than 1,000 union-representation campaigns and finds that "intense and aggressive" tactics to block workers' freedom to form unions are becoming more commonplace.

We need your help to make sure every senator and representative in Washington, D.C., reads this new study. Send them a message today and ask them to download a copy of the report.

Please Read - Take Action - Thank You

http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/bronfenbrenner

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I have only one thing to say to that.

FUCK YOU, DICK.

Submitted by edna ellen poe on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 10:51am.

The history of the synthetic H1N1 flu virus and a not-so-rosy future
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4724.shtml

Thank you for this Post! Dan had mentioned madsen but I didn't know who he meant.

The authorities might claim this reviving the Spainish flu was to develop vaccines for similar strains.I wonder why the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology was doing this research and not our friendly Big Pharma guys?

since I don't trust Doctors in the Military because of my father's OSS history and what we had discussed ,I will just listen and not scare people with my tin foil reception of the emerging facts.

I just hope everyone takes more personal control of thier own immune response abilities. Control your weight,anxiety,hydrate,sleep,bathe,detoxify,love your pets,pet your lover etc...

malloy was saying on last nights podcast that cnn will only put a pretty face on in the morning. he cited as evidence that you will never see pentagon reporter barbara starr on before 10:30...

has it been posted anywhere yet?

this might be tin foil hat territory but in the original post it was stated that Dr. Johan Hultin, from the State University of Iowa was part of the team that recovered the virus genetic material.

rewind to a few weeks ago when there was all sort of musings about the swine flu and the origin and that fact that it centered around the pig factories in mexico. at the time there was a tidbit that said the swine flu genetic markers matched ones that were seen in iowa a few years back at the pig farms....

FISA, Gitmo, Memos, Photos... each time Obama gets dressed down he stops, thinks, learns then turns to the right. It's good that Obama is willing to learn from older, more experienced leaders who already know what Barack is trying to learn. Prosecute Dick Cheney, hell Obama should write him a thank you note!

"I believe all these things because freedom is not America's gift to the world, it is the Almighty God's gift to every man and woman in this world."

George W. Bush

Obama administration sides with Bush officials against outed CIA agent

By John Byrne

Published: May 21, 2009
Updated 5 hours ago

The Obama administration has decided to oppose the reinstatement of a civil lawsuit filed by outed CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson.

The move represents the first public position by the administration on the issue. Obama’s position mirrors that of President George W. Bush, whose aides found themselves in the cross-fire after the agent, Plame Wilson, was outed by conservative columnist Robert Novak.

A Washington, D.C. district court dismissed the suit — Wilson v. Libby et al. — which posited that key Bush and Cheney officials violated the constitutional rights of Plame and her husband, a former ambassador. Those sued included former Vice President Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and Richard Armitage for their gross violations of the Wilsons’ constitutional rights, as well as “Scooter” Libby, Cheney’s former chief of staff who was convicted of obstruction of justice in the case.

Obama’s Justice Department says the Wilsons have no legitimate claim to sue. They also put forward another startling claim.

“The Obama administration has gone one step further, suggesting Mr. Wilson failed to provide any evidence that Mr. Cheney, Mr. Rove or Mr. Libby harmed him,” Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility reported on their blog Wednesday. “This is particularly ironic because the government had moved to have the case dismissed before the Wilsons had the opportunity to uncover the details of how Ms. Wilson’s covert identity was revealed.

In a statement, the group’s director said they were “deeply disappointed.”

“We are deeply disappointed that the Obama administration has failed to recognize the grievous harm top Bush White House officials inflicted on Joe and Valerie Wilson,” CREW chief Melanie Sloan said. “The government’s position cannot be reconciled with President Obama’s oft-stated commitment to once again make government officials accountable for their actions.”

Raw Story

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/4793#comment-338774

MEDIA ...? GRRR

I have been searching but I have to work out and continue working, after updating my DLL, but I might have to do tomorrow...eye-roll...

cent - are these new hires of the obama administration that signed off on this or are these holdovers or civil servants from the bush era.

don't forget that the claims that cheney has a network of agents scattered thru the government to do his bidding...

Obama mulling ‘preventive detention’ without trials, report says

By Raw Story
Published: May 21, 2009
Updated 4 hours ago

President Barack Obama said he was considering finding a legal basis for holding detainees who can’t be tried, according to accounts from an off-the-record conversation with human rights activists on Wednesday.

The New York Times, which reported the meeting, gave scant details. A “preventive detention” program would most likely be currently extralegal, or beyond the realm of law, because it would involve the incarceration of individuals without recourse to a trial, paralleling President George W. Bush’s decision to classify Guantanamo Bay detainees as “enemy combatants.”

Human rights advocates are growing deeply uneasy with Mr. Obama’s stance on these issues, especially his recent move to block the release of photographs showing abuse of detainees, and his announcement that he is willing to try terrorism suspects in military commissions — a concept he criticized bitterly as a presidential candidate…

They said Mr. Obama told them he was thinking about “the long game” — how to establish a legal system that would endure for future presidents. He raised the issue of preventive detention himself, but made clear that he had not made a decision on it. Several senior White House officials did not respond to requests for comment on the outsiders’ accounts.

“He was almost ruminating over the need for statutory change to the laws so that we can deal with individuals who we can’t charge and detain,” one participant said. “We’ve known this is on the horizon for many years, but we were able to hold it off with George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the Obama administration over these powers is really stunning.”

Another participant allegedly told the Times Obama didn’t seem to be ruminating on preventive detention for Guantanamo deatinees, but rather those captured in the future.

“The issue is,” the participant was quoted as saying, “What are the options left open to a future president?”

Raw Story

but the transcript doesn't do it for me (i need that resonating hallway)

i'll wait for the video

you're also ugly (if that's how you picture yourself)

Obama Speech Vid

Sure is depressing around here with everyone being laid off...I don't know how they muster the will to keep working until the end of June...

People here leave big time messes when they move...to where the landlord has to get a tractor and level it all out..pushing the masses of garbage in a to a pile, and he never gets rid of all of it, he just buries it...Before we moved in here he had to do a giant burn pile because the previous tenant was throwing all their garbage down the hill in front of the house...!

Anyway.. I meant to say that a book came in today with your name all over it...I'm going to mail it to you...ok?

Baucus Flees From Single Payer Advocates

by Single Payer Action

Senator Max Baucus (D-Montana) drove up to the front door of the Kaiser Family Foundation in downtown Washington, D.C. this morning.

His initial idea - park on G Street in front of the office building - and walk in the front door to meet reporters gathered inside.

But activists from Single Payer Action were out front, waiting to question Baucus about why, over the past two weeks, he ordered thirteen of them arrested, handcuffed, and charged with "disruption of Congress."

Upon seeing the activists gathered at the front door, Baucus drove down a back alley to a rear service entrance.

The activists followed him down the back alley.

Baucus pulled up to Kaiser's service entrance.

A large metal door opened.

"I asked Baucus to roll down his window so I could ask him a question," said Russell Mokhiber of Single Payer Action and the first of person arrested at the Senate Finance Committee on May 5. "But he shook his head no."

Baucus drove into the service entrance and the security guards rolled down the metal door. (Video to follow.)

"I wanted to ask Senator Baucus whether it was pharmaceutical industry money or health insurance money that led him to prohibit any single payer advocate from testifying before the Senator Finance Committee which he chairs," Mokhiber said.

According to a recent analysis by the group Consumer Watchdog, Senator Baucus, the leading architect of health reform in the Congress, has received more campaign contributions from the health insurance and pharmaceutical corporations than any other current Democratic member of the House or Senate.

According to the report, Senator Baucus received $183,750 from health insurance companies and $229,020 from drug companies in the last two election cycles.

[...]

Common Dreams

for the Obama link.

In the same batch I found not one, but TWO books for you....I don't know where to mail them tho...

Yippee! Alice thinks I can read.

I hope it's got lots o pictures so I can talk to you about it :)

I believe the request to deny the Plame appeal came straight from her desk....

http://us.dada.net/

Dada.net for free mp3s for your player or iPod

and her hundred associates will never be effective as assets for gathering information.But as my dad had said (he was a Valerie Plame in Italy during Mussolini Hanging times) One hopes to get out alive when they enter the Spy world.But is not always a given that your government will protect you. If you motive is good and your luck is great(karma) your chances are about 50/50. It is important to keep the story alive but don't expect any sitting president to really air out our dirty laundry in public,We would all pass out from the Stench. After the outing ,my Dad took off his Flag pin,stopped supporting B&C and stopped arguing with me that America is the land of the Beautiful.When the market crashed "Docky" acquiesced to the unethical capitalist downfall and got on his Viking boat to the next place.
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My dad had an involvement with Truth Serums (Timothy leary is dead) and the Army knew at that time that torture gave bad intel. That is why LSD based serums administered by an experienced(not necessarily stoned} agent proved out to be more effective. It was fun to talk about tripping with a straight laced pediatrician in whitelandia. I miss him!

servin' up news when the real newser is away.

Do you wanna know what it is or be surprised?

How very un-progressive of you! I bet you always wanted to kill the hippies you saw on the street back in your day. I guess I am the wrong color too?

It is in America's greatest tradition that Vice President Cheney offer the same advice and support to Obama that he provided to President Bush. We all have a stake in seeing that Barack learns his new job in short order!

Obama has been tripping and stumbling down the road for some time now. Obama's flip-flops and course corrections do show a willingness to learn. On-the-job training is the only course left now that Obama is in charge.

What better teacher than the Old Master Cheney?

"I believe all these things because freedom is not America's gift to the world, it is the Almighty God's gift to every man and woman in this world."

George W. Bush

I have an old music man 150watt head, and a 4x12 cabinet. But I need some basic stuff: distortion, wah, sometimes a little delay. I use a wah alot, not just jimmy hendrix style, but as a slow filter, or just leave it in an open position to get a certain tone. I use a tube screamer for distortion, but I'm looking into this tube distortion pedal, like an Ibanez Tube King.

http://www.biyang.com.cn/Products.asp?Id=41

It's by a Chinese company, Biyang. I've done alot of research recently, and this is speaking to me at the moment. I know what you mean about oversaturating a sound and sucking the natural tone out of your set up, but for the music I'm playing, I need some effecty stuff.
I've been thinking about getting a combo amp to take to gigs, 1 or 2x12, but so far it's been no big deal lugging the halfstack around, and a good combo is a serious purchase which is a few months down my list of serious purchases, and it may not ever happen, since its not a necessity.

LIKE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!

THANKS DUBYA YOU REALLY DID IT!

National security under the Bush Administration can only be described as oxymoronic. Protecting the country by completely wrecking it- would be laughable, if it didn't happen. But it did. The military is melting from two illegal wars. We have a bankrupt economy, crumbling infrastructure,failing schools, declining wages, and poor health care.

And they say they have kept us safe? BULL-SHIT!

My friend Ziv is a great source in NYC area for tubes and repairs and old effects. Check out OZ NOY for example. zivnag@gmail.com just tell him taozen sent you. Ziv is a great player and has helped a lot of pros get their organic sound.

...and I kept missing you on nightshift {and part of "the night"}.

(...this is when I am SUPPOSE to sleep ...eye-roll)but slept a bit last night...

"Kewl. I can e-mail address", The Misanthrope takes the bait...

Thank you very much.

Cheney tries to justify his stupidity and fails again. - MSNBC

The funny part of this video is that Darth Cheney starts by criticizing President Obama for taking longer than five minutes for his National Security speech. Then Cheney proceeds to launch into a 35 minute rant of disinformation and scare tactics as if he holds any credibility. Massive failure continues.

was it related to...

//A-fucking-men, Cenk//

No, not at all.

For the last two days I've been following the saga of the death of the frequent KOS blogger TocqueDeville. His demise drew an audience of about fifteen hundred. He was murdered by the increasingly dictatorial circus trainer Markos, for the crime of mentioning that a member of the 911 Commission has recently been saying that the first commission was a joke. (KOS has an arbitrarily enforced a no conspiracy theory "rule." Anyway, it's Markos' zoo.)

Yea, Sam is twice as talented as Cenk, and three times as knowledgeable. Sam should post with the real players. In today's world, the size of the mike is a million times more important than the message.
One Q though. How do explain the Mr. Ed phenomenon? I doubt Mr. Ed has ever posted anywhere.

after getting volunteered to bait alligator trap - NBC5i

Dick Cheney scared shitless by threat of War Crimes tribunals. Face paralyzed into state of lies.

Brave Chicken taunts Dick Cheney regarding ineffective cowardly approach using torture for capturing and disposition of prisoners.

The New York Times reports leaders of the Taliban and other groups are discussing a potential peace agreement through intermediaries. The militant groups are reportedly demanding a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops as a precondition for laying down their arms.

i could only listen to about 3 minutes of this. cheney makes me want to puke.

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a neutral United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli jet fighter planes and motor torpedo boats on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crewmembers (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and a civilian), wounded 171 crew members, and damaged the ship severely......

In 2002 Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, U.S. Navy, ended his own silence on the work of the court of inquiry,.......

The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as 'murderous bastards.' It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

I can say this after watching the speech and reading its text: by his sobriety and balance, care and precision, Obama has sketched a way forward that is a function of both war and law, seeking no shallow political edge in an area that should never have been abused by Rovian cynicism in the first place. At first blush, I find the balance near pitch-perfect - on detention, torture, interrogation and Gitmo.

Like the president, I am under no illusions as to the enemy we face and the need to fight it. But like the president, I was deeply disturbed by both the tools that the last president used - above all the tool of torture - and the rationale of uncheckable and lawless executive supremacy that underpinned it. Something very profound went very wrong. We all need to understand that at a minimum, however we want to move forward.

I wish the war could be over. It isn't. More important, I do not want America to be over, and, thanks to this remarkable figure in a terribly divided and difficult time, it isn't. The system which relies on law not men, on decency not barbarism, on democratic balance not autocratic deciderism is the system we are fighting for. It won, as Obama noted, even before the last election when two anti-torture candidates, McCain and Obama, emerged from the pack. But its long-term victory was never assured.

I feel much more confidence now that victory - for both our system and the war against Jihadism - is possible. Civil liberties purists will quibble and fight. Cheney-dead-enders will continue to stoke fear and division. I think this is the right balance - and deserves our vocal and persistent support.

Submitted by FilthyRich on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 1:13am.
...I don't think it's a (DAH DUM) CONSPIRACY so much as it's a narrow-minded group-think shared by BOTH "parties" who subscribe to the same free-market economic policies, fueled by a belief in ever-expanding markets with NO governmental (We The Peeps) restrictions...
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I agree, in a general sense. I would be more specific in describing the group-think shared by both parties but you would also be more specific if pressed, so I choose to assume that we agree on more of the specifics than we disagree.

there are a lot of Guitar shows coming up.Vintage Guitar Magazine has listings.The King of Prussia Show near phily is huge and I expect alot of stuff to come out of the closets because of the economy
bee3vintage.com

But there are shows in Mich. Ohio and nashville coming up.

Michigan Guitar show Gordy 248 546 7447 may 31st. gordysmusic@prodigy.net

Greater Seattle show may 31st

Southern CT guitar show may 31st
fairfieldguitarcenter@msn.com

The Vintage Guitar magazine from July 2009 has Steve Earl on the cover(bragging about his collection which I find offensive) but there are many more shows listed
http://www.vintageguitar.com

if you get a chance check out http://LarryWexer@aol.com I water his collection(esp in the winter) keep the humidifiers full what a great job!

...thought ...and that how can you RELEASE books...

Your a better man {woman} than I {woman}, Gunga Din.}
;)

Hear! Hear!

And thanks for your concern about my physical well being. (I did break 5 minutes for the mile last week.)

Hadn't heard of Oz Noy. Thanks. It's good to know who's out there, and I may write to Ziv, because I'm looking for some hard to find old effects, and I'm asking anyone who might have any idea. I just recently played through an old fender bassman that had been worked on by this guy Matt Wells, he's another tube amp genius guy who does lots of work for the pros. They call his place the magic shop.

thanks maggiesboy

i don't think i need to bother with the cheney "response"

http://www.biyang.com.cn/Products.asp?Id=32

UF-1—Guitar Flutters Effect Pedal

"Available to make specific universe resound effect, robot effect and so on."

Oh yeah.

I love all the crazy musical oddities they have

http://www.otheroom.com/namm/

(If this is old news, sorry.)

Informant

According to the authorities, Cromitie, also known as Abdul Rahman, told an FBI informant at a meeting in Newburgh in June 2008 that he was angry over the US-led war in Afghanistan and "expressed an interest in 'doing something to America'".

Cromitie told the informant that his parents had lived in Afghanistan and that

he was upset about the number of Muslims being killed in the war there and in Pakistan by US forces, prosecutors said.

The suspect also told the informant last July that he wanted to join Jaish-e-Mohammed, a Pakistan-based group on the US list of "terrorist" organisations, to "do jihad", the statement said.

{He added that the office of Peter King, a US congressman, said the four men are Muslim, although Al Jazeera was not able to verify that.}
This last part makes the incident even more unfortunate, since Peter King is one of Congress's biggest Islamophobes.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/05/200952144536467973.ht...

I know Matt well! ha ha and Ziv is a little easier to deal with. You can contact me at taozenanda@gmail and we can chat or hang out sometime. I don't want to clutter the blog with our guitarded gear talk, been to any Nascar races lately? A similar illness in may ways. Ziv lives on rebuilding old blaceface's and cleaning up effects. look forward to meeting you! I have a closet full of tube amps that i just cant seem to finish off. ampegs and premier and grestch and fender,Seymour Duncan--

and tell me who should have them... :)

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I get one more free download at dada.net and I cannot think of another song or band I would want....

Hope u all r having a good day.
It is great weather here in the Chicago area. Finally.
Haven't done a damn thing though.... been in a lazy mood.

I heard about that synagogue story last night while I was yyy66666t
on my way home from work..
The extra yy666t is my cat trying butt in on my blog time...

Kazakhstan offers to host nuclear fuel bank
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/05/200952194550225282.html

A refresher course on Bill's travels:
After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html

that's my vote...

http://7inchpunk.com/wp-content/01-The%20Plasmatics-Butcher%20Baby.mp3

Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 2:38am.
...Dammit Crank! you know as well as I do the question was framed "has anyone changed their core beliefs since the blog sta[r]ted, if so, how?...
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Sorry. I missed the time frame qualifier (the one that wasn't there). Following is your post in its entirety and this time around I didn't edit whose to who's.
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anyone whose changed their
Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Wed, 05/20/2009 - 2:38am.
anyone whose changed their core beliefs?

anybody?
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"The Once and Future Rajah of Bhong."

:)

this is no fun at all.....wes and iris had it a few days ago. i'm still in bed with a major headache and a very delicate very empty stomach.....

Good news on your recovery of $$ Jim. Haven't heard obama yet. I am disappointed in him. Heard Ratner talk about it this am on Hartmann...he was pretty upset about the detention thing. I will listen now.

I got a lump on my left testicle , Ima bout to head out to get an ultrasound to make sure its not cancer.

ANd I gotta chat with my doc about getting on some anti anxiety meds. and possibly adderrall

WIll keep youns posted ;)

after guitar talk comes sex and drugs or the memories of them.
How about that American Idol. The Christian teeny boppers and their republican Ministers made a lot on phone calls last night. 100 million I think. I really like the soulful 16 year old with the red hair who sang with Cindy lauper if you caught any of it. She was assertive and confidant and probably challenged her female peers with her sexy sincerity. I feel bad in some ways for watching Fox .This show keeps them in the green.At least it isn't a show like 24 that makes torture look cool.

...

...stunned my husband tho...he looked so shocked still this morning...regardless of the public's moral split on these guys, it sounded to me like the guys are close friends now...

Fitting, yes?

Wave of bombings in Iraq kills at least 63
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/68595.html
Baghdad

A suicide bomber wearing an explosive vest detonated in the midst of a U.S. foot patrol in al Athuriyeen marketplace in Doura neighbourhood, southern Baghdad at 11 a.m. Thursday killing fifteen people including three U.S. soldiers and injuring 30 people including five U.S. soldiers said Iraqi Police. The U.S. military confirmed that three Coalition soldiers were killed and is withholding their names pending notification of their families.

Kirkuk

A suicide bomber wearing a suicide vest and dressed in Sahwa uniform detonated amidst a gathering of Sahwa members waiting to be paid at one of the military centres in Kirkuk City at 7 a.m. Thursday. The explosion killed eight Sahwa members and injured seven others

Submitted by Sunshine Jim on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 2:49am.
...i took it to the provincial employment standards folks and ended up with a thou more than i'd asked for when i left!...
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I hope you have cash in hand. In U.S. claims courts, winning and getting paid are two different animals.

Maybe the extra dough makes all of your truck repair grief seem less maddening? (Of course the passage of time tends to make those things seem less important, too.)

Has been a big help for the music industry which is hurting for many reasons. It is very scripted and is designed to hook the next generation
I enjoy for the most part the established stars come out and Jamming. it helps both performers get(or stay) in the public eye. CARLOS SANTANA is just fine in my book. he came from a tough Chicano 60's world and ended up a Hindu. One note and you know it is him playing,but poor old Rod Stewart hasn't really come back from his throat problems(cancer?)

AT LEAST it is music good or bad ,and remember on the road to musical mediocrity is better than being there.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/05/21/msnbcs_odonnell_calls_...

;)

>>Sorry. I missed the time frame qualifier (the one that wasn't there). Following is your post in its entirety and this time around I didn't edit whose to who's.

ahem...

So Chubbs..and SJ...and smcgee43 and whoever is up now
Submitted by Alice on Wed, 05/20/2009 - 2:27am.
are any of your "core-beliefs" different right now than they were when you posted the first time here? (as I ask I'm trying to think if mine have).....

here are the time constraints...posted 11 minutes earlier, sorry for the confusion.
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"The Once and Future Rajah of Bhong."

Steve Benen says that what was most striking about Cheney's speech was "its lack of anything new or compelling." He also notes that "one of the concerns that stood out for me, though, was Cheney's frequent references to about 'euphemisms.' Since when does Cheney find "euphemisms" so offensive? We are, after all, talking about the leader of an administration that came up with some doozies in euphemism department."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_05/018288.php

Obama: Existing U.S. Institutions Can ‘Work Through And Punish’ Bush’s ‘Violations Of Our Laws’

President Obama has repeatedly discussed the need to “look forward” when it comes to examining the Bush administration’s torture program. But in March, he did not rule out prosecutions of the Bush lawyers who authorized enhanced interrogations, saying he would leave prosecutions up to the discretion of Attorney General Eric Holder.

Today, during his much-anticipated speech on national security policy at the National Archives, Obama addressed lingering questions about his views on a truth commission and torture accountability. Obama said that instead of a 9/11-style commission, he favors an investigation of “abuses of our values” done through Congress. Most notably, the President reiterated his view that the DOJ “and our courts can work through and punish any violations of our laws”:

That is what I mean when I say that we need to focus on the future. I recognize that many still have a strong desire to focus on the past. When it comes to the actions of the last eight years, some Americans are angry; others want to re-fight debates that have been settled, most clearly at the ballot box in November. And I know that these debates lead directly to a call for a fuller accounting, perhaps through an Independent Commission.

I have opposed the creation of such a Commission because I believe that our existing democratic institutions are strong enough to deliver accountability. The Congress can review abuses of our values, and there are ongoing inquiries by the Congress into matters like enhanced interrogation techniques. The Department of Justice and our courts can work through and punish any violations of our laws.

Watch it: at link

In his confirmation hearings, Holder flatly said that “no one is above the law. … There are obligations that we have as a result of treaties that we have signed — obligations, obviously, in the Constitution.”

The Senate Intelligence Committee is already pursuing an investigation into interrogation of detainees, having examined the treatment of two “high value” detainees. “We have adopted a scope of work; we have hired independent staff. They are intelligence professionals and we will be doing this look back, which will probably take 6, 8 months,” Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) said

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/obama-torture-doj/

Obama Reiterates Promise To Close Gitmo, Urges Congress Not To Make Decisions In A ‘Climate Of Fear’ »

Speaking in front of the original U.S. Constitution at the National Archives this morning, President Obama delivered a lengthy, detailed speech outlining his approach to national security. Obama criticized Bush’s legal system at that convicted only three terrorists in seven years. He said it was “clear” that, “rather than keep us safer, the prison at Guantanamo has weakened American national security.”

Discussing the problem of what to do with the detainees currently imprisoned at Guantanamo, Obama reminded the audience that the problem was caused by the erroneous decision to open the extra-legal prison camp in the first place:

Indeed, the legal challenges that have sparked so much debate in recent weeks in Washington would be taking place whether or not I decided to close Guantanamo. For example, the court order to release seventeen Uighur detainees took place last fall — when George Bush was President. The Supreme Court that invalidated the system of prosecution at Guantanamo in 2006 was overwhelmingly appointed by Republican Presidents. In other words, the problem of what to do with Guantanamo detainees was not caused by my decision to close the facility; the problem exists because of the decision to open Guantanamo in the first place.

He also seemed to mildly rebuke Congress — which yesterday barred the use of any funds to transfer detainees to the United States — for making “decisions within a climate of fear.” He challenged them to remember their oath:

As our efforts to close Guantanamo move forward, I know that the politics in Congress will be difficult. These issues are fodder for 30-second commercials and direct mail pieces that are designed to frighten. I get it. But if we continue to make decisions from within a climate of fear, we will make more mistakes. … I have confidence that the American people are more interested in doing what is right to protect this country than in political posturing. I am not the only person in this city who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution — so did each and every member of Congress. Together we have a responsibility to enlist our values in the effort to secure our people, and to leave behind the legacy that makes it easier for future Presidents to keep this country safe.

Watch it: at link

bama said that his administration “will seek to transfer some detainees to the same type of facilities in which we hold all manner of dangerous and violent criminals within our borders.” He disputed conservatives’ claims that U.S. prisons could never accommodate terror detainees as “not rational.”

Transcript: More »

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/obama-gitmo-speech/

When will the right wing insist the NYC synagogue bombers are ‘too dangerous’ for U.S. prisons?

Last night, “an elaborate sting operation” resulted in the arrest of four men accused of plotting to bomb a synagogue and shoot down airplanes. The New York City Police Commissioner said the four men “stated that they wanted to commit jihad,” and said the men were part of a “homegrown terrorism” movement. Given conservatives’ recent hysterical declarations that U.S. prisons are unfit to handle terrorist suspects, Hilzoy challenges the right wing’s talking points in regards to the imprisonment of these “homegrown” terrorists:

This raises the difficult question: what should we do with these would-be terrorists while they await trial? And if they are convicted, what then? I assume that if it’s too dangerous to move people at Guantanamo to the United States, it must be much too dangerous to allow these jihadists to run loose in our prisons. After all, they might provide financing for other jihadists from their supermax cells, or radicalize other prisoners, or use special Terrorist Mind Control Techniques to create a whole army of brainwashed convicts under their complete control.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/synogogue-bombers-prison/

NYT Again Repeating Pentagon Propaganda

Our guest blogger is Ken Gude, Associate Director of the International Rights and Responsibility Program at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

The New York Times is at it again. Reaching back into an old bag of tricks, Bush administration holdovers in the Pentagon have used the paper of record to spread false propaganda at a critical juncture in a key national security debate, this time about released Guantanamo detainees supposedly returning to terrorism. This article has just one purpose: to mislead readers about the true nature of the threat posed by released Guantanamo detainees.

Times reporter Elisabeth Bumiller discards any semblance of journalism and merely serves as a conduit for unnamed Pentagon officials to claim without any supporting evidence that 74 released Guantanamo detainees are “engaged in terrorism.” The headline screams “1 in 7 Freed Detainees Rejoins Fight, Report Finds,” and the entire opening of the story presents the Pentagon figures as conclusions of fact that are being withheld for political purposes.

Not until the 17th paragraph does this key passage appear:

The Pentagon has provided no way of authenticating its 45 unnamed recidivists, and only a few of the 29 people identified by name can be independently verified as having engaged in terrorism since their release. Many of the 29 are simply described as associating with terrorists or training with terrorists, with almost no other details provided.

Got that? Bumiller admits that “only a few” can be independently verified, more than half aren’t even identified, and no details are provided about the specific accusations but not until almost the end of the story.

We know previous Pentagon efforts to link released detainees with terrorism have included those who have written op-eds or participated in films about their experience at Guantanamo as “returning to the fight.” What kind of journalism allows a reporter to write a story so clearly slanted in one direction without even a minimal effort to verify the information that forms its basis?

An accurate story using this same information would report that some Guantanamo detainees have engaged in terrorism upon release, but that most of the allegations of such activity remain unconfirmed and that previous Pentagon reports have included activity that is not normally associated with terrorism. It wouldn’t make for such a sensational headline, but it would be much more representative of the truth.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/nyt-again-repeating-pentago...

STUDY: Without Health Reform, Premiums Will Increase Over 70% In The Next Nine Years »

An America without health care reform is an America where families face spiraling health insurance premiums, businesses drop coverage and trim benefits, doctors are denied objective information about the treatments they provide, and millions of Americans live just one medical emergency away from bankruptcy.

Those who oppose health reform are choosing to maintain this status quo.

A new paper from the Center for American Progress, “America Without Health Reform,” points out that, absent reform, average premiums (the cost of health insurance to families and businesses) are projected to rise more than 70 percent from 2010-2018, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Read it here.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/05/america_without_health_re...

This cost growth will have cascading effects across the economy as businesses trim benefits and workers lose their coverage.

According to researchers at Harvard University, a mere 20 percent increase in premiums costs 3.5 million workers their jobs, causes millions more to move from full-time to part-time work, and cuts the average income by approximately $1,700. CBO predicts that this 20 percent increase will occur over the next four years.

More »

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/study-without-reform-premiu...

Submitted by nora on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 3:54am.
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Jesus, nora. I'm not "hanging out and baiting people."

I merely disagree with you on many points as well your tendency to write your comments in a fast and loose style that conflates facts and opinion all in the same paragraph.

Of course, as you say, this is a blog filled with opinions, but the opinions are supposed to be derived from a set of facts. When facts and opinion are commingled willy-nilly (like Limbaugh's style), it can easily become a straw man argument or an argument using omission of facts to bolster an otherwise weak argument.

Name-calling isn't about "predatory lenders" (or predatory lending, which I prefer in this case), it's about Rethuglicans and similar derogatory creations. I can do as much damage to the Republican party when writing a post as someone else can by calling them Rethuglicans in his or her post. My post won't alienate people who are averse to schoolyard taunts. Name-calling ratchets down the serious intent while it ratchets up the uncivil tone and the "good guys vs. bad guys" incitement, which is exactly how Rush Limbaugh operates.

Somewhere right now on a Conservative blog, someone is writing about Dumbocrats. I don't think it makes them seem clever or bright and it serves to skew downward my perception of their opinion regardless of how well the rest of the post is written.

Screaming is all about style and the use of fully capitalized words. All caps reminds me of the din of a bullhorn. If you want to play the misogynist card against me because I read the frequent use of all caps as yelling and screaming, have at it. I sometimes use all caps in humorous dialogue to connote screaming and it's usually me or Chubby Bubba doing the screaming.

The rest of your post following the anti-women quip is comprised of personal attacks. This isn't about me and you, it's about ideas and how they are presented.

I take great pains to edit out stuff in our back-and-forth that sounds snippy instead of cool-headed. I don't always succeed. If you choose to stand pat on your notion that I have some kind of ulterior motive behind disagreeing with you, then you will continue with personal attacks. I cannot make you or anyone on this blog do or not do a fucking thing, but I can sure-as-hell write a post expressing my disagreement with an opinion or a style or a wayward response.

Elizabeth Edwards: $1 Of Every $700 Went To Pay Salary Of UnitedHealth CEO

Last night, CAPAF Senior Fellow Elizabeth Edwards appeared on The Daily Show with John Stewart to discuss her new book Resilience and health care reform. Edwards stressed the importance of restoring competition in health insurance markets noting that at one point, “the President of UnitedHealth made so much money, that one of every $700 that was spent in this country on health care went to pay him”:

It’s really important, and this is the part I’m afraid will get negotiated away. We have to have a public provider. That is, instead of buying your insurance from United Health Care, or from Blue Cross. You could actually pick a government provider. The insurance companies are against it because they don’t want that competition. And because they’re afraid of the threat of the competition they’re already saying we’re going to cut prices, we’re going to make this so much easier to get. Just the threat, so imagine what the reality will do. We will actually have health costs that could work.

Watch it: at link

Indeed, as a new report by Health Care for America NOW points out, “profits at 10 of the country’s largest publicly-traded health insurance companies in 2007, rose 428 percent from 2000 to 2007, from $2.4 billion to $12.9 billion.” In 2007, the chief executive officers at these companies collected combined total compensation of $118.6 million — an average of $11.9 million each.”

Competition from a new public health care plan would require private insurers to negotiate prices on behalf of their enrollees and not just pass along ever-growing health care costs to beneficiaries in the form of higher premiums. Insurer opposition to the public health option is an attempt to protect industry profits, plain and simple and in the coming health care debate, policy makers will have a choice to make: design a system that promotes the general welfare, by providing Americans the choice of a public option, or protect the monopoly of private insurers and continue redistributing as much income as possible to private industry.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/elizabeth-edwards-1-of-ever...

The "right wing"? You mean our Democratic Congress?
All afternoon I've wondered what monstrous resolutions would this body have passed today, had this group been able to pull something off.
What speech would Obama have given today?
A member of the group claims they formed in response to our drone attacks in Pakistan. How has foreign policy changed since Bush?
The clock is running out on any remaining civil liberties here. If this administration doesn't actually reverse the policies of the past government were finished. Eventually, something bad will happen here. And, of course, Obama won't be prez forever.

-Bitis
Submitted by Sunshine Jim on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 4:47am.
his music comments turned out to be chunks of music site articles. he never used quotes so he took credit for being personally insightful.

he seldom would communicate with anyone responding to him without threatening them...
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-B's brilliance, if there was any, was lost on me. What I saw was a guy more interested in staying in the inside of his own head than visiting the world around him.

I don't think that he cared whether anyone was reading his stream of consciousness meanderings or not. He posted on the blog for some reason, though...maybe just to see his words printed in the ether?

Bailed Out Banks May Be Driving Up Oil Prices

oilToday, McClatchy took a look at current oil prices, and came to the conclusion that its “not because supplies are tight or demand is high” that prices are rising, but rather that “Wall Street speculators — some of them recipients of billions of dollars in taxpayers’ bailout money — may be to blame“:

Big Wall Street banks such as Goldman Sachs & Co., Morgan Stanley and others are able to sidestep the regulations that limit investments in commodities such as oil, and they’re investing on behalf of pension funds, endowments, hedge funds and other big institutional investors, in part as a hedge against rising inflation.

According to McClatchy, “critics say this speculative flow of money into commodities markets is a self-fulfilling prophecy that’s distorting the usual process by which buyers and sellers set prices and is driving up the prices of oil, gasoline, grains and other essentials.” Both Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley have received $10 billion in TARP money.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/banks-oil/

Update: Ryan Avent writes that "the threat posed by expensive oil hasn't disappeared. Quite the contrary; it stands ready to derail a fledgling economic recovery."

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/banks-oil/

US Colonel Advocates US 'Military Attacks' on 'Partisan Media' in Essay for Neocon, Pro-Israel Group JINSA

...authored by retired US Army Colonel Ralph Peters. It appears in JINSA's "flagship publication," The Journal of International Security Affairs. "Today, the United States and its allies will never face a lone enemy on the battlefield. There will always be a hostile third party in the fight," Peters writes, calling the media, "The killers without guns:"

"...Although it seems unthinkable now, future wars may require censorship, news blackouts and, ultimately, military attacks on the partisan media. Perceiving themselves as superior beings, journalists have positioned themselves as protected-species combatants. But freedom of the press stops when its abuse kills our soldiers and strengthens our enemies...."
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/21-11

$16,771: the cost of health care for an American family of four in 2009, according to the Milliman Medical Index. “If the median family income in 2008 was about $67,000, then health care costs represent about 25% of the annual household paycheck.”

http://www.healthpopuli.com/2009/05/16771-is-cost-of-health-care-for-fam...

Health Care for America NOW has issued a report on how “completely non-competitive the private insurance industry is in nearly every market in the U.S., how that monopoly ties directly to the higher costs of both insurance premiums and health care in general.”

http://healthcareforamericanow.org/site/content/new_report_private_insur...

Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 3:08pm.
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Okay. You are right. I am wrong. I failed to refer back to Alice's post which you did not attribute nor reference in your post to tell me to go back to Alice's post to find a time frame for the comments in your post.

Today, Democrats in Congress “wrote to President Obama urging him to delay implementing a trade pact with Panama until that country signs an agreement to give U.S. authorities access to records on finances held there by U.S. citizens and firms.”

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congressdaily/cdp_20090520_7869.php?

MSNBC just reporting that Edward Liddy is resigning from AIG and will step down as soon as a replacement is found.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5122419/13577618

They are too cool... :)

Id vote for a Democrat Socialist Party
Submitted by Bob26003 on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 12:43am.

Democratic Socialists? You Bet!

by Matthew Rothschild

Some in the Republican Party are trying to re-dub the Democratic Party as the Democrat Socialist Party.

Nothing like getting out the old encrusted red paintbrush.

But I hope some Democrats don't run from this label.

Running doesn't get you anywhere.

Democrats have been running from the label "liberal" since the days of Michael Dukakis, and that hasn't helped them.

And for those who, like me, are actually Democratic Socialists, it's time to come out and say so....
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/21-12http://www.commondreams.or...

“U.S. business leaders told President Obama Wednesday that the nation lags in developing good jobs out of clean energy” and that “passing a global warming bill that sets a price for carbon emissions will give businesses a much-needed sense of the rules they must follow.”

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/21/green-job-backers-seek-econo...

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“Democrats on the House Energy and Commerce Committee have enough votes to approve historic legislation to cap and reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions” (H.R. 2454) in a “final committee vote by early Thursday evening”

http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE54J52S20090520

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Other committees are waiting to take a crack the climate legislation: Natural Resources chair Nick Rahall (D-WV) “wants to add language to the climate bill that would allow new oil and gas production”

http://www.cq.com/document/display.do?docid=3122295&sourcetype=6

Submitted by toniD on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 6:10am.
Liz Smith: Ann Richards Would Have Seceded Rick Perry's Head From His Shoulders!...

...It would be great if Ann were alive today to tell us what she thinks about Texas Governor Rick Perry and his suggestions, which he now denies, that the state should secede from the union...
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toniD,

Wasn't it Molly Ivins who often referred to Governor Perry as Governor Goodhair?

It's more about how they be...and they be suckin'

to continue a killing, stealing, and lying government...

Just like Crank said I would....

AIG CEO Edward Liddy To Step Down After Replacements Found

American International Group, Inc. (AIG) announced today that Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Edward M. Liddy has informed the Board of Directors of his intention to step down once the Board successfully concludes a search for replacements for these roles.

Read the whole story: AP

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AIG-Announces-Chairman-and-bw-15320720.htm...

>>you did not attribute nor reference in your post to tell me to go back to Alice's post to find a time frame for the comments in your post.

pardon me for being sloppy. it was half a dozen posts before and it was a fairly slow night.

OK! OK!!! I BREAK!

[collapsing hysterically in heap] tell us one of your stories...we couldn't stop you anyhow...
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how did you change *this* time ;)

Kerry: CIA Lied About Contra-Cocaine Connections

House Minority Leader John Boehner pushed on Thursday for a bipartisan panel of lawmakers to investigate the veracity of Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the CIA lied to her about whether it was waterboarding detainees.

"Her allegation that the CIA lied to her and that they misled Congress ... is a very serious charge," said Boehner (R-Ohio). "The Speaker has had a full week to produce evidence to back up her allegations, and I'm frankly disappointed that she has not done so."

The Central Intelligence Agency would never lie to Congress about breaking the law, would it?

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) knows a little something about that. During the late 1980s, he led a two-and-a-half year investigation into the CIA, the Nicaraguan Contras and cocaine trafficking, and the senator was on the receiving end of CIA deception.

So, would the CIA ever lie?

"In the case of one person who was tried and convicted, they lied. He overtly lied and was prosecuted for it by the government of the United States," said Kerry just off the Senate floor. "He was the director of operations for the region."

The CIA's inspector general later opened a second investigation looking into the matter and also determined that the agency was aware of the Contra involvement in drug trafficking, did nothing to stop it and in fact interceded with the Drug Enforcement Administration to block investigations -- and then misled Congress about it.

Besides drug trafficking, the Contras were also funded by proceeds from illegal arms sales to Iran. The CIA lied to Congress about that too, numerous investigations found.

More here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/21/kerry-cia-lied-about-cont_n_206...

CREW has targeted unethical elected officials since our inception, and now CREW has corporate America in its sights.

Yesterday, CREW launched corporatecrackdown.org, a new website that will provide much-needed oversight on the intersection of business and government.

The new CREW website will hold accountable those who unduly influence government officials, overcharge taxpayers, or sacrifice the public good for private earnings. CREW will expose their activities and take action where appropriate.

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Partisan Gap Widest Ever
A fascinating Pew Research report on political party affiliation trends finds that 36% of Americans say they are independents, 35% are Democrats, while just 23% are Republicans.

The proportion of independents now equals its highest level in 70 years. In contrast, the professed affiliation with the Republican party "is the lowest in at least a quarter century. Moreover, on nearly every dimension the Republican Party is at a low ebb -- from image, to morale, to demographic vitality."

Read more...

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/05/21/partisan_gap_widest_ever.ht...

An Unfavorable View of Cheney
As former Vice President Dick Cheney prepares to give a major speech today on national security, a new CNN/Opinion Research poll finds that 55% of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of him while 37% have a favorable opinion of Cheney.

With President Obama giving his own speech this morning, it almost makes you wonder if the White House set a trap for the former vice president.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/21/cnn-poll-favorable-opini...

;)

Gimmick Rock..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Democrats block effort to probe Pelosi on torture briefings

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi on Thursday easily dodged a Republican push to launch a special investigation into her charges that the CIA misled her on the Bush administration’s torture program.

The legislation, sponsored by Rep. Rob Bishop (R-UT), failed in the full House by a vote of 252-172, mostly on party lines. Republicans Ron Paul of Texas and Walter Jones of North Carolina voted with Democrats.

“As the House was voting, former Vice President Dick Cheney delivered his verdict on Ms. Pelosi as he recounted his view of the interrogation program during a speech at the American Enterprise Institute,” noted The New York Times.

The paper added: “’On numerous occasions leading members of Congress, including the current speaker of the House, were briefed on the program and on the methods,’ Mr. Cheney said, later adding: ‘Some members of Congress are notorious for demanding they be briefed into the most sensitive intelligence programs. They support them in private, and then head for the hills at the first sign of controversy.’”

Pelosi said last week that the CIA briefed her just once, in September 2002, on tactics such as the controlled drowning known as waterboarding, and then only told her that then-president George W. Bush’s legal advisers had concluded it was legal and that it was not in use.

Pelosi noted that it was later revealed that the practice was already in use at the time, and that the CIA had only acknowledged that fact in a February 2003 briefing that one of her top staff attended.

At that point, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Jane Harman, wrote a letter of protest to the CIA’s top lawyer — a letter Pelosi says she agreed with, but did not sign, and did not send a letter of her own.

The CIA has said its records into briefings for lawmakers in 2002 and 2003 show lawmakers were told that top suspected terrorists were questioned with techniques like waterboarding — but emphasized that those records may not be reliable.

“To have this charge out there and not have it resolved I think is damaging to our intelligence efforts, and certainly will have a chilling effect on our intelligence professionals around the world,” House Minority Leader John Boehner told The Boston Globe.

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/21/republicans-to-seek-formal-pelosi...

Kerry: CIA Lied About....

... The CIA
52% Approve, 31% Disapprove
Those Following Closely: 63% Approve, 33% Disapprove

... Nancy Pelosi
31% Approve, 47% Disapprove
Those Following Closely: 30% Approve, 63% Disapprove

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/

(btw Obama slaughters Huckabee. They're already polling the '012 race.)

G.M. and Union Reach Deal on Contract Changes

Before a key June 1 deadline, the U.A.W. reached a tentative
deal with G.M. and the Treasury to help the company reduce by
billions its obligations to a retiree health care fund.

Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na

Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 4:36pm.
...OK! OK!!! I BREAK!...
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What a wuss. I guess the professional interrogators are right: We really DON'T need to waterboard.

(Here. Towel yourself off.)

I loved Sam's working the ken doll! Kuby really is smarter than he lets on.I think it is a hold over from WABC when it was prudent not to get too real at drive time. The show started with an assertive Sam presence and as the gold laden Thom would say "good on ya"

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peanut gallery wants some new theme music(to go with the new format) preferably not Kiss.
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I am hoping that Sam might teach his daughter the business so that she could have some more screen time and represent the family name when Sam is out hunting

KISS Blows !
Submitted by MMRules on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 4:52pm.
;)

Gimmick Rock..
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I've kinda lost track. Is Kiss early glam rock, early hair rock, early eyeliner rock or early metal rock? (Was there a platform shoe rock, too?)

It's funny how a heavily promoted, theatrically designed band can sucker adolescents. In my day it was the Monkees. In Alice's day it was Kiss. Today it's Hannah Montana (I guess?).

I heard a parody recently featuring Dakota Minnesota. Wish I'd thought of that.

Bill Moyers Journal Friday, May 22, at 10 p.m. CDT on PBS (check local
listings)

Washington's abuzz about health care, but why isn't a single-payer plan
an option on the table? Bill Moyers speaks with advocate Donna Smith
about how our broken system is hurting ordinary Americans. Then, policy
analysts and physicians Sidney Wolfe of Public Citizen and David
Himmelstein of Physicians for a National Health Program join Bill Moyers
for a frank discussion about the political and logistical feasibility of
a single-payer system amidst the troubled economy and a government
dominated by lobbyists.

I hate stomach problems they are so debilitating, Of course you will get a lot of pro-biotic supplementation as soon as you can

a differing opinion on the blog, MM...

In toniD's day it was Frankie Avalon but I mostly remember Annette Funicello's breasts.

(Note to nora: It's not a chauvinist pig thing. It's a horny guy thing; purely biological.)

Feel better M happe now!
Submitted by taozen on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 5:34pm.
I hate stomach problems they are so debilitating...
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I suggest that mhappenow reframe it as a spiritual fast.

(It's gonna be a fast anyway. Might as well make the best of it.)

Coolio, Crank...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/21/cnn-poll-favorable-opini...

[excerpt]
CNN Poll: Favorable opinion of Dick Cheney on the rise
Posted: 12:08 PM ET

From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser

Cheney's popularity has risen in recent weeks.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The same day Dick Cheney delivered a major speech on the battle against terrorism, a new national poll suggests that favorable opinions of the former vice president are on the rise.

But the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey, released Wednesday morning, indicates that a majority of Americans still have an unfavorable opinion of Cheney.

Fifty-five percent of people questioned in the poll say they have an unfavorable opinion of the former vice president. Thirty-seven percent say they have a favorable opinion of Cheney, up eight points from January when he left office.

In the past two months the former vice president has become a frequent critic of the new Administration in numerous national media interviews.

“Is Cheney’s uptick due to his visibility as one of the most outspoken critics of the Obama administration? Almost certainly not,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Former President George W. Bush's favorable rating rose six points in that same time period, and Bush has not given a single public speech since he left office.”

The poll suggests that 41 percent of Americans hold a favorable opinion of the former president, with 57 percent viewing him unfavorably.

[end excerpt]

"when Sam is out hunting" - He hunts?????

Afternoon toni - Wendy says hello 2.

Bob26003 - Hope everything goes well @ the Dr.s

Never really liked KISS

mhappenow feel better soon

Hi Crank, taozen, Alice, ghettofender & all the est of ya :)

I hate the Dick

to get some great facts.

http://www.corporatecrackdown.org/

Hello back to Wendy!

And Michele, feel better soon. I had my bout with the stomach flu in January, right after my knee replacement.

But there is always that picture of Sam with his orange hunters cap on with the Survival Sam bit. Maybe Sam would hunt for mushrooms and Ginseng and not the ubiquitous turkey that permeates his woods. Just thinking of Myla makes me laugh.I bet her IQ is higher than most.And if we want to capture the young demographic what a great place to start the farm club but at Sam's Blog and Grill.

We renamed CowCow to Wendy... :)

I need to take new pics of them..they don't stay kittens long enough...

FTC shuts down massive robocall scam

he FTC sued both the promoter of the phony extended warranties, Transcontinental Warranties, and the company making the robocalls Voice Touch. Both firms are based in Florida.

The sheer volume of these robocalls – tens of millions a week – was staggering. “We think they were just dialing every phone number in the U.S. more or less in order,” says Steve Baker, an attorney for the FTC. They even called Secret Service offices and 911 dispatchers.

“This is the most widespread and blatant Do Not Call violation we’ve ever seen,” Baker says. More than 30,000 people filed complaints with the commission. Since most people never complain – they just hang up the phone – 30,000 complaints is an astounding number.

-snip-

In its lawsuit, the FTC claims that's exactly what Transcontinental Warranty, was trying to do: trick people into buying an expensive service contract with lots of limitations and exclusions.

-snip-

Phone bandits can also use readily available software or the Internet to fool your caller ID. They can make a bogus number appear instead of their true phone number. It’s called “spoofing” and it’s illegal for telemarketers to do. But phone swindlers don’t exactly follow the rules.

-snip-

There were two levels of sales people. The “opener” takes the incoming calls and works from a script to get the basic information about the consumer’s car. It’s the opener’s job to convince the caller to agree to buy a warranty. If he can do that, a more skilled salesperson known as a “closer” would take over.

Israel told investigators a closer could “say whatever was necessary” to get the consumer’s credit card number. That included making callers believe they had called a company that was somehow affiliated with the person’s car manufacturer or dealership. They were not.

-snip-

Working as an opener, Israel handled about 100 calls an hour. He says 99 of them were from people who were extremely frustrated because “despite following the pre-recorded call’s instructions to be removed from the company’s calling list, they still continued to receive calls.”

Openers were not allowed to give callers the company’s name. If they did, they could be fired. “Instead I was told to make up a generic sounding name like ‘Warranty Services,’ or, in keeping with the company’s motto, to simply hang up on such consumers,” Israel explained.

Israel also told the FTC it was regular practice to give callers a fake telephone number so they could not call back.

-snip-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30852785

I just listened to Sam Seder's exchange with Ken Pittman posted at the top of this page.

First, Sam should do more call-ins although Pittman isn't much of debate adversary.

Second, Sam should give someone like Pittman more time to speak because it gives Sam more ammo than Sam gets when Sam is speaking. In other words, give the other person all the rope they need. THEN hang 'em.

Third, the conflation of details which Sam repeatedly targeted is the complaint that I expressed to nora.

I know that it is difficult to keep all of the details straight all of the time, but it is easy to confine a written rant to a few proven details rather than straying into a bucketful of related stuff and tossing hyperbole into the mix (which is really easy to do whilst on a rant and I catch myself entering this dangerous zone more often than I care to admit).

Valley Meats is recalling approximately 95,898 pounds of ground beef products that may be contaminated with E. coli, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Food Safety and Inspection Service announced Thursday.

Each recalled product bears the establishment number "EST. 5712" inside the USDA mark of inspection. The (2-1), (3-1), (4-1), (5-1) and (6-1) markings refer to the number of portions per pound.

The ground beef products were produced March 10 and distributed nationwide, according to a news release from the USDA.

The problem was discovered through an epidemiological investigation of illnesses, the USDA said. On May 13, FSIS was informed by the Ohio Department of Health of a cluster of E. coli infections.

Illnesses have been reported in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Illinois.

E. coli is a potentially deadly bacterium that can cause bloody diarrhea, dehydration and in the most severe cases, kidney failure. The very young, seniors and people with weak immune systems are the most susceptible to foodborne illness.

Individuals concerned about an illness should contact a physician, the USDA said.

http://www.newsnet5.com/health/19525921/detail.html

Kennedy affirms support for public healthcare
plan
By Jeffrey Young
Posted: 05/21/09 02:46 PM
Liberals pushing for the creation of a federally run health insurance plan won a major victory Thursday when Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) strongly indicated his commitment to the policy, one of the most controversial elements of healthcare reform.

Kennedy has co-sponsored a resolution introduced by Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and 26 other Democratic senators that declares the healthcare reform legislation the Senate will consider this summer must include a public plan option people can choose instead of private insurance. Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) also co-sponsored the resolution.

Though purely symbolic, this show of strength by 28 Democratic senators sends a clear signal to liberals that a public plan, one of the left’s top priorities and a component of President Obama’s healthcare platform, will be part of reform.

Kennedy’s unequivocal support for the public plan marks a return of sorts to the front lines of the battle for healthcare reform.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/kennedy-affirms-support-for-public-h...

I just don't trust those guys.

The Monkees?
Submitted by Alice on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 5:44pm.
Coolio, Crank...
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Yeah...well...I was listening to the Beatles and the Doors and The Moody Blues at the same time as The Monkees, which sorta saved my ass in the end.

I'm sure I could still find the chords on a keyboard to The Last Train To Clarksville in less than five minutes, though.

...and if you waterboarded me, I could remember the lyrics. If rewritten history is to be believed, the song was more than a teenybopper anthem.

Couldn't find anything current about InfraGard. Just got to see their 'front door'--

http://www.infragardmembers.org/modules/content/index.php?id=13

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So what's with InfraGard and the Obama Adm.? Is this government interface against The People -- like the one with the Telecom Corporations for spying on us -- also going to continue as a Fascist remnant of the Bush2 Regime?

http://www.progressive.org/mag_rothschild0308

[excerpt]

The FBI Deputizes Business
By Matthew Rothschild, March 2008 Issue
23,000 Businesspeople Get Threat Info from FBI Before Public. In Turn, They Supply Tips to FBI. Two Members of Private Sector Group Say They Have “Shoot to Kill” Permission in Emergency. These are the astonishing findings in Rothschild's cover story of the March issue of The Progressive.Today, more than 23,000 representatives of private industry are working quietly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The members of this rapidly growing group, called InfraGard, receive secret warnings of terrorist threats before the public does—and, at least on one occasion, before elected officials. In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU. But there may be more to it than that. One business executive, who showed me his InfraGard card, told me they have permission to “shoot to kill” in the event of martial law.

InfraGard is “a child of the FBI,” says Michael Hershman, the chairman of the advisory board of the InfraGard National Members Alliance and CEO of the Fairfax Group, an international consulting firm.

InfraGard started in Cleveland back in 1996, when the private sector there cooperated with the FBI to investigate cyber threats.

“Then the FBI cloned it,” says Phyllis Schneck, chairman of the board of directors of the InfraGard National Members Alliance, and the prime mover behind the growth of InfraGard over the last several years.

InfraGard itself is still an FBI operation, with FBI agents in each state overseeing the local InfraGard chapters. (There are now eighty-six of them.) The alliance is a nonprofit organization of private sector InfraGard members.

“We are the owners, operators, and experts of our critical infrastructure, from the CEO of a large company in agriculture or high finance to the guy who turns the valve at the water utility,” says Schneck, who by day is the vice president of research integration at Secure Computing.

“At its most basic level, InfraGard is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the private sector,” the InfraGard website states. “InfraGard chapters are geographically linked with FBI Field Office territories.”

[end excerpt]

Microsoft Ordered to Pay $200 Million in Patent Case

LOS ANGELES — Microsoft Corp said on Wednesday a Texas federal jury ordered the company to pay Canadian software firm i4i Ltd $200 million in damages for infringing a patent.

The world's largest software company, which is involved in a number of legal battles over patents, said the award was unsupported, and plans to appeal.

Last month, Microsoft was ordered to pay $388 million in damages for infringing a patent held by anti-piracy software maker Uniloc Inc. It also appealing that verdict.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520952,00.html

Michigan's unemployment numbers are out for April, and the numbers aren't good.

New numbers from the state's Department of Energy, Labor, and Economic Growth show Michigan's unemployment rate hit 12.9% in April.

That's the highest its been since November of 1983.

And economists say with Chrysler in bankruptcy and General MOTORS Not far behind, the numbers will only get higher.

Charles Ballard, MSU Economist: "It's likely that Michigan's unemployment rate is not at it's peak yet. We probably will see at least a couple of percentage points, I hope that's not true, but that's sort of the way it looks right now."

The unemployment numbers are more proof of just how tough the job market is in Michigan.

http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=10397006

USDA Announces Ground Beef Recall (OH, PA, IL)
Submitted by toniD on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 6:10pm.
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Goddamn you, toniD! Yesterday I purchased ground chuck for the first time in months and for only one of a handful of times in my life that it wasn't processed in the store.

I checked the U.S.D.A. seal stamp. It is not #5712 but I fully expect to learn that more stamp numbers will have been included in the recall.

(The things I endure for a greasy taco.)

festivities?

We can hope illnesses will be prevented. I want to see more efficient control of foodborne illnesses under the new administration.

Happy Memorial Day Weekend. Want fries with that yummy veggie burger?

I might have to go back to my hunting and harvesting ways.

I got squirrels out the wazoo. I wonder what a squirrel taco tastes like? (Rajah: "Chicken!")

I have also been reading up on opossums following a dissertation I heard recently from a zoologist (Biologist? What do you call an Arkansas wildlife expert?) from the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville.

He claims that opossums are more intelligent than pigs (which are more intelligent than dogs which are more intelligent than cats, etc.). According to him, opossums could hang out with dolphins (I made that part up).

I have mentioned this to a couple of friends who have lived their entire lives in the Ozarks (not that opossums confine themselves to the Ozarks) and they both laughed. One of them called me an idiot.

So far, most of the literature on-line implies that opossums are never considered to be mammalian valedictorians...but the zoologist said that the old-school way of thinking is wrong. He has done maze testing and whatnot that prove opossums are sharper than they look.

Opossums have a lot of other things going for them. They are omnivores, which comes in handy when they want a snack. And they pair-up in a territory and remain there for life. And they are immune to snake venom. And they don't get rabies (the theory is that their body temp is too cool to support rabies). And because they are marsupials, their young are born the size of a pea. And their nasty-ass, wire-like fur doesn't support fleas. The list goes on if you care to look for yourself.

And, incidentally, most of the available literature says that opossums are delicious. I have a bias toward eating smart beasts, though it hasn't done the pigs a damn bit of good.

Crawling in the leaves as he sneaks up on them....

>>What do you call an Arkansas wildlife expert?

Hillbilly?
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"The Once and Future Rajah of Bhong."

I had a night gardener 'possum friend several years ago. She'd come and get rid of the snails and slugs. When she finished her rounds, she'd come up on the porch where the pet water bowls were and get a drink. Then she'd climb up the bench and onto a the platform where I put the Cat Palace (a sort of dollhouse thing I made for my cats where they'd sleep all day on the penthouse roof peeking at me over the gables). 'Possum friend got up there on top of the Cat Palace too in the middle of the night and would wash and wash herself with her pink tongue. Her little pink 'possum hands and feet each had thumbs, making her ever so fascinating to watch through the window. And since the Cat Palace was right up next to the window, she was just inches away. I miss her.

Sam hunting mushrooms and fiddle ferns
Submitted by nora on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 6:50pm.
Crawling in the leaves as he sneaks up on them....
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Hey! You gotta go whole-hog on the hunter mystique if you're gonna satisfy the male directive.

As for Sam's hunter orange stocking cap: It's a tough call whether to be fully visible in the wild or to go with complete camouflage. You have to ask yourself: "Do I want to accidentally be mistaken for a deer hidden in the foliage or do I want to be a target bigger'n Dallas?"

My advice is to check your local hunting seasons and to stay the fuck home when they're sound shootin'.

I warned my now-deceased German Shepherd to be good during hunting season lest I strap a pair of antlers on him.

(He didn't listen. His idea of good and my idea of good never crossed paths.)

I just bought some ground chuck too.

Wouldn't you rather know now than get sick on it?

It means a lot to me...

How nice & tolerant of you to allow
new
Submitted by Alice on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 5:37pm
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I just gave my opinion.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Submitted by nora on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 7:03pm.
...And since the Cat Palace was right up next to the window, she was just inches away. I miss her.
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Ah, the sex bias rears its ugly head. Of course the clean opossum was female. The male was covered with grime after replacing the starter in his old Volvo. (Who would want to lick THAT off?)

Here is another little opossum tidbit that I forgot to mention earlier. An opossum plays opossum because it has a little understood biological overload that it suffers when it is freaked out.

It appears to be (so far in lab studies) the biological equivalent of feinting. [[[Post-post edit: Where is dr when he could enjoy castigating me for a goof up? It's fainting, not feinting, although feinting might be applicable if the fainting opossum was feinting instead of fainting.]]]

[The following is voiced much like a melodramatic Scarlett O'Hara.]

Opossum: "Oh, my lands! A mean dog! The vapors! The vapors! Ah feels a swoon coming upon my's frail self. Zzzzzz."

Submitted by toniD on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 7:15pm.
I just bought some ground chuck too.
Wouldn't you rather know now than get sick on it?
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Don't start getting all literal on me now. I'm counting on you to cut me a little slack so's it won't be just me and the Bubba giggling in the corner.

I think, based on nothing scientific, that I have a resistance to most of the common bacterial food contaminants.

I have known many people who complain of "food poisoning" frequently. I have known many people who complain of "indigestion" frequently. Some of them lean toward hypochondria but the rest do not.

On the rare occasion that I feel discomfort, I can usually write it off to the dozen jalapenos or the quart of rum.

If I am indeed resistant, I'm sure that the time will come when I am less resistant. I'm not looking forward to it.

I've already lost the ability to overeat without paying a price.

Don't know how long they'll stay unclogged for.

Already have the cable guy coming tomorrow and someone else scheduled to work for me.

When it went out, I was trying to post this.

(Disclaimer: It's off-key and cheesy but I like it, dammit.)

"Won't You Go Home, Dick Cheney," words © 2009 by Dottie Miller Gutenkauf. Sung by the New Jersey Industrial Union Council Solidarity Singers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgd5D_3d6j8

mhappe, hope yr stomach gets better quick.

;)

or mrs. lennon or jackie o or mrs. kennedy or ladybird johnson or the 1st lady of the united states or maria callas or blanche dubois or the company of strangers [now jump to q&a]

//How do (you) explain the Mr. Ed phenomenon? I doubt Mr. Ed has ever posted anywhere//

never listened to him

all i know of him is derived from the critiques of him by the bloggers here
(frankly, i don't know who died for them to voice their opinion)
(heh-heh)

and that he has one of those gruff limbaugh personas that commands attention

//I doubt Mr. Ed has ever posted anywhere//

he hasn't posted anywhere, but he has a permanent radio gig

//explain the Mr. Ed phenomenon//

how do i explain the success of leonardo dicaprio
or survivor
or why some women marry known serial killers
or why mullet is a wanker
or smithfield piggeries

why is the above troubling to me

is it me that is deranged...

i read "i agree with ed" -- big deal!
big ed is a reformed republican and now bats for our team
he supposed to speak out on issues that concern us

it's like i don't go "wow, they sold me a sandwich" when i buy a sandwich at a sandwich shop

if they sold me a dunlop tyre and said chew on that, then i'd have to walk outside to check the sign, in case i walked into the wrong establishment

"oops sorry, my bad -- it's a dunlop distribution centre (chuckle) the lsd has deranged my senses"

anyway, um, what was the question...

i seem to have gone on a phantasmagorical odyssey!

how did big ed get mixed up in all of this

my original point was why cenk had more votes than sam for a show on msnbc

I'm sure when she practices she can hit that note just fine. She should have some wine. :}

ditto that...

hope your tummy isn't ripped out by wild maraundering dogs

: )

it shall pass

it's all a dream

it's just a spoon

all i would say to the possum is...
relax, take it easy
it shall pass
it's all a dream
it's just a spoon

[the possum raises an eyebrow: "fuck off, ono"]

ok, possum
have it your way

well i fucking can't stop now!!

it's nirvana or bust for me

or as they say in reno "nevada"

Bush did it! Now Obama is going to do it. Why? Because it just the right thing to do. And if Obama needs to waterboard a few terrorists, he'll do that too. Obama is a fast study. He did a lot book learnin before he became a leader. Now he is learnin that them books ain't got all the answers.

"I believe all these things because freedom is not America's gift to the world, it is the Almighty God's gift to every man and woman in this world."

George W. Bush

Submitted by air-ono on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 8:02pm.
...anyway, um, what was the question...
i seem to have gone on a phantasmagorical odyssey!
how did big ed get mixed up in all of this...
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Hey, it's your post! Far be it from me to know where you were going, where you are and how you got there.

On the fainting opossum subject: Some of the literature says that people have picked them up, taken them home and have been veeeery surprised when they came back to life in their living rooms.

Latte-quaffing woods hiker: "Look what I found, honey...Aiiieeeee!"

waterboarding
waterboarding
waterboarding
waterboarding!

why is this the only torture technique mentioned when torture is discussed

and all the others not mentioned (ie, suppressed)

pardon the pun, but it waters down the issue

waterboarding has a fun connotation -- kinda like surfboarding
(yay, surfs up)

it's a euphemism for simulated drowning
(boo, surfer down)

now "drowning" is a horrifying word...
an impact word that clears the sinuses
and can't be ignored

LMFAO!

so obama is in charge...

really!?

so he calls all the shots

(although some roughhouse may sometimes be in order, i'm with the hippies on the no-torture policy -- but they want their utopia NOW! -- when there are obstacles, hoops, and hurdles that need urgent attention -- they're probably insurmountable -- but wtf -- let's not make the military-media-finance-petrochemical-industrial-complex any easier for them)

Submitted by Mullet on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 8:23pm.
Bush did it! Now Obama is going to do it. Why? Because it just the right thing to do...
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Shouldn't you be trying to unload your diesel-gulping Greyhound conversion on some hapless pro-Mideast oil patriot?

I mean this: If six years of absolute Republican/Conservative anti-big-government rule and eight years of nearly total Republican/Conservative anti-big-government rule has taught you nothing else, surely it taught you that you have been flimflammed from start to finish?

Who was it...oh, yeah...it was Saint Reagan who said, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"

Good luck with supporting the governance of the past administration. You're really gonna need it.

Never mind. There isn't enough luck in the entire universe to keep you from sinking like an inert stone this time around.

Here's a hot tip for you: Ending a convoluted clusterfuck is a lot more difficult and time-consuming than starting one. If you don't believe me, marry someone and then try to win a divorce suit.

If Sam doesn't come soon, the thread b4 this has few comments.

Just saying.

Submitted by air-ono on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 8:06pm.
ditto that...
hope your tummy isn't ripped out by wild maraundering dogs
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maraundering search result: Did you mean meandering or marauding or have you been talking to ono again?

anymore that he believes in freedom

war-mullet is a cheap propagandist lackey

he knows it's bullshit

it's just that he loves fascism

(oops, you were speaking to his latest right-wing mind-set character)
(ok, cool)

Submitted by toniD on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 8:55pm.
If Sam doesn't come soon, the thread b4 this has few comments.

Just saying.
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I've got hamburger problems. What do I care?

yes, that one...

it's just that my word was more sinister

: )