sick bed

Thom had a good proposal.

Sam, War Dog aka Mullet has got to go.

Some dumb-ass has brought an AR 15 to an Obama rally. He's African American.

Question
Submitted by toniD on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 3:06pm.

Has any liberal tried to go to a town hall from a republican Rep or Sen wearing a gun?

If so what happened to them?

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I don't know about that tonid, but Josh Marshall made a good point today.....

Some Things Never Change
08.17.09 -- 1:03PM
By Josh Marshall

I remember when Dems started bringing guns to all those Social Security phase-out events back in '05. Heady Days.

TPM

If Levi goes nude in Unzipped, it will end up in your mail box. You can bring it out the next time your political awareness group gathers and talk about family values.

I so prefer when these retrogrades are out in the open with their horrid backward thinking. This needs ALOT of exposure since it shows them for what they are -- 21st Century exploiters no different than the slavers of old: The Elite can do anything to the masses for the sake of profit.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTM5YmExNzA0OGY5M2E1Y2EzNzcxMDlkZWY...

[excerpt]

August 17, 2009 4:00 AM

Rationing and Rationality
By the Editors

Defined at a high level of abstraction, rationing is inevitable in medicine. Not everything that might be in a patient’s best interest can be done in a world of finite resources, and some constraint has to limit his treatment. Thus the left-wing jibe that the market features “rationing by price.”

But there are many good reasons to prefer rationing by price to other forms of rationing, which is why we use it for most products and services. Those reasons are not limited to efficiency, though they include it. The rationing involved in a free market is decentralized, creating more room than a bureaucratic system for people to make different trade-offs. Hence most people do not think of it as rationing at all.

It follows that it is a deep mistake to imagine the wonders of greater government involvement absent rationing. Greater government involvement necessarily means that the government will play a larger role in the allocation — the rationing — of care. In a pure government monopoly, for example, where getting care outside the system was either illegal or only a notional possibility, the monopoly would have to turn down some requests, and so some medical interventions would go undone. Even in a mixed system with a large governmental role, the government’s decision not to pay for a treatment — again, a decision that must inevitably be made many times — will have the practical effect of denying care.

...
Defined at a high level of abstraction, rationing is inevitable in medicine. Not everything that might be in a patient’s best interest can be done in a world of finite resources, and some constraint has to limit his treatment. Thus the left-wing jibe that the market features “rationing by price.”

But there are many good reasons to prefer rationing by price to other forms of rationing, which is why we use it for most products and services. Those reasons are not limited to efficiency, though they include it. The rationing involved in a free market is decentralized, creating more room than a bureaucratic system for people to make different trade-offs. Hence most people do not think of it as rationing at all.

It follows that it is a deep mistake to imagine the wonders of greater government involvement absent rationing. Greater government involvement necessarily means that the government will play a larger role in the allocation — the rationing — of care. In a pure government monopoly, for example, where getting care outside the system was either illegal or only a notional possibility, the monopoly would have to turn down some requests, and so some medical interventions would go undone. Even in a mixed system with a large governmental role, the government’s decision not to pay for a treatment — again, a decision that must inevitably be made many times — will have the practical effect of denying care.

The trade-offs should be made, as much as possible, by the people who are most affected by them. Liberalizing health markets, by reducing the obstacles that governments have placed in the way of the development of a large market in individually purchased insurance, is a practical method of facilitating that decentralized choice for all but the most indigent. But nobody should be under any illusions that the trade-offs can be wished away.

Anyone who thinks rationing by government is something to be feared has reason to worry about the health legislation being discussed in Washington. The president has many times said that cutting costs is the goal of health-care reform and mused aloud about denying services to the elderly as a method of doing so. It is in this context that the controversy erupted over the proposal, now withdrawn, to pay for end-of-life counseling sessions. It was only reasonable to suspect that this proposal was included to encourage people not to get treatments they otherwise would get. (It’s not as though it moved us toward universal coverage.) The proposal to form a board that could recommend against Medicare payments for various procedures, with Congress required to fast-track its advice, raises the same concerns.

Baleful trends among bioethicists should heighten those concerns. The view that medical care should be withheld from people based not merely on the likelihood of success or the cost but on judgments about the quality of their lives is no longer held only by a fringe. Practices that are at best close cousins to euthanasia have become widespread. And as anyone familiar with the work of Wesley Smith knows, inquiries into patients’ intent are not always fastidious.

[end excerpt]

That's what made me start wondering if anyone had yet.

It would be a good test though. Let's see how the Repub and the police in the area handle a liberal with a sign and a gun.

toniD's Ya Think?

here today to say coping out for co-ops is not compromising, it's capitulation, well have you?

I will never vote Democrat again if we can't even get a public option with super majorities in Congress. I promise you that.

At that point I will understand Alice's position on the subject.

FDL Mafia is kicking ass and taking names....

Jane Rebuts Mrs. Greenspan’s CW with Mr. Bayh’s Conflict

By: emptywheel Monday August 17, 2009 11:55 am

Jane's appearance on MSNBC today was pitch perfect punditry.

Not only was Jane beautiful, in control of the facts, and poised, but I especially love the way Jane smacked down Andrea Mitchell's beltway Conventional Wisdom. When Mitchell started suggesting that the co-ops were the middle ground, Jane turned this onto supporters of the co-ops.

Mitchell: Kent Conrad and other more conservative Democrats who have been negotiating these compromises in Senate Finance say that there will be no bill if there's a public option.

Hamsher: I think that there's going to be a problem. I think that the White House did not factor in that members of the House would have a very difficult time in their heavily leaning Democratic districts taking a bad vote and there are enough of them that could keep this thing from passing without Obama stepping in and committing to get the public plan that he campaigned on.

Look at what was happening here. Mitchell was trying to talk down to Jane, to suggest that she was being naive for suggesting that Bayh, and not progressives, should back down and accept the public option. In doing so, Mitchell was committing journalistic fraud--anyone presenting these issues and pretending this is about Bayh's "conservative Democrats in his state" and not his wife and donors is simply committing journalistic fraud. So Jane turned it on Mitchell, suggesting Mitchell was the stupid one.

Mitchell's correctly presenting DC Beltway wisdom here. But Jane's demonstrating the degree to which the CW that Mitchell presents as news hides the underlying truths behind this issue.

emptywheel

What days are you filling in this week on TYT's ?

Let us know before the fact,Aye ?

Thanks..

Or,did I dream that ?

I am taking Chantix,so who knows ? ;)

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Well, we’re joined on the phone from Florida by co-author of the piece, Chad Terhune, senior writer at BusinessWeek, where he’s covered healthcare for several years.

Welcome to Democracy Now!, Chad. Explain first why you believe, no matter what option is presented, no matter what the bill is, the health insurers have won.

CHAD TERHUNE: First, thanks for having me on.

I think if you look back earlier in the year, there was a lot of gloom and doom for the insurance industry, a lot of harsh rhetoric from both the President and Congress. But if you look even, you know, by midsummer, you could get a pretty good picture of what was going to come in a final bill. And as you just noticed, we’re kind of getting clear confirmation that there’s not going to be a public plan. And I could have told you that from my reporting earlier in the summer, just was not going to happen.
...

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/17/business_week_the_health_insurers_...

-This could be misused by those who make Over-Processed Food
Submitted by nora on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 3:04pm.-

eya gang!

(Peaches!)

I can't get with it -
Depressed, very tired & just
plain old beat up.

Hope everyone is feeling better than I.. :)
Barely made it to work... I have so much to do
here - - was supposed to work over the week-
end, had to much to do...

Sanford's prayer

Vogue scores an interview with Jenny Sanford, who talks about the affair, and offers this political tidbit:

When her husband was on the short list to be John McCain's running mate, Sanford silently prayed it would not come to pass.

By Ben Smith 02:52 PM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/Sanfords_prayer.html

toniD's Ya Think?

really think that the Insurance Co.'s
would not win out in this whole Health
Insurance issue??? I have called & sent
e-mails to my Senators & Rep.
I don't think it makes 1 bit of god
damn difference. Money is the key to
the political people..

50million people r uninsured - & the politicians
don't give a shit, there taken care of so fuck
everyone else.

Substantive Health Reform Still Can Persuade The Public
by DemFromCT

Kevin Friedl has put together a nice piece in National Journal summarizing the independents and the persuadables:

While independents are clearly growing more wary of reform efforts overall, support is actually growing by some measures. The Kaiser Family Foundation's monthly tracking poll asks respondents whether they think health reform would make their family and the country better off. Since April, the percentage of independents who said it would make things worse for their family has nudged up from 15 percent to 18 percent to 22 percent. The percentage who thought it would benefit their family went up as well, though, from 38 percent in April to 41 percent in July. A similar trend held for whether reform would help the country at large. These results suggest independents are being polarized by the issue but aren't heading exclusively to one side.

When asked about specific reform proposals, these voters continue backing some key options put forth by Democrats. While support for a public option actually fell 16 points among Democrats from April to July, it stayed strong among independents; 3 out of 5 continue to support what has turned out to be a major sticking point in Senate negotiations. A June poll commissioned by Democracy Corps (D) put independents' support for a public option lower -- at 49 percent -- but still substantially above the 31 percent of Republicans who approved.

Republicans alone can't scuttle the deal, and Democrats alone can't win elections (though they can pass legislation.) For that reason, independents' opinion will continue to matter politically. And btw, the polls also show Congressional Ds are much more likely to be blamed for failure than Obama. Should health reform efforts fail, polls show Democrats in Congress would likely pay a bigger price in public opinion with Indies than Obama.

Twelve percent of independents in Diageo/Hotline's July poll said that if reform fails to pass before the midterms, they would hold Democratic lawmakers most responsible, while 17 percent said Republicans and just 5 percent pointed to Obama. But independents were more likely than partisans to blame the health care industry, with a 33 percent plurality putting the blame there. In the newer Marist poll, 26 percent of independents clearly pinned Democrats in Congress as most responsible if efforts fail, with Obama placing a distant fourth behind drug companies or blaming no one in particular. more...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/17/768170/-Substantive-Health-R...

toniD's Ya Think?

sounds like you need me to email you a set of Acme brand perpetual renewable velcro bootstaps to pull yourself up with!

(ummm. you're well away from any canyon cliffs are'nt you?)

The other Bush bubble

Reading this piece about the dismal state of Florida, I found myself remembering this:

Governor in Chief
Jeb Bush’s remarkable eight years of achievement in Florida.
by Fred Barnes

…

In a state with a surging population, Bush has presided over a booming economy with the highest rate of job creation in the country and an unemployment rate of 3.0 percent (the national average is 4.6 percent).

And all of it was pure bubble.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/the-other-bush-bubble/

Start puttinng doubts in people's heads now about Jeb!

toniD's Ya Think?

Hang In There ! :)

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Dear XXXXX:

The media and some politicians say we "don't have the votes" in the Senate for real health care reform with a strong public health insurance option.1 But poll after poll shows that three out of four of people want a public health insurance option to keep the insurance companies honest.2

Click here to call your Senators and ask them to support real reform - reform with a public health insurance option to keep the insurance companies honest.

The President's Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said today, "The President believes that the public option is the best idea he has seen for achieving the goals of lowering costs and increasing choice and competition." And Speaker Pelosi has made it clear that the House of Representatives won't pass a bill without a strong public option.

Senator Jay Rockefeller said yesterday that, "I believe the inclusion of a strong public plan option in health reform legislation is a must."3

Unfortunately, some Senators are proposing state-based co-ops as an alternative. The non-partisan Government Accountability Office made clear that co-ops do nothing to lower the cost of insurance.4 And we know that only the government has the clout to force insurance companies to change the way they behave.

We need to get a simple message to Senators: Join with the majority of Americans to support a public option to lower costs and keep insurance companies honest. A co-op isn't a public insurance option.

At this critical time, can you call your Senators urge them to support reform that the American people want and need? Click here to call.
To your health,

Levana Layendecker
Health Care for America Now

1. 'Public Option' in Health Plan May Be Dropped - New York Times
2. Obama Boost: New Poll Shows 76% Support For Choice Of Public Plan - Huffington Post
3. 'Public Option' in Health Plan May Be Dropped - New York Times
4. Compromise Co-Op Proposal Won't Lower Costs, Government Study Showed - Huffington Post

August 17, 2009

The Honorable Kathleen Sebe1ius
Secretary, U.S. Department of Health & Human Services
200 Independence Avenue, S.W. Washington, D.C. 20201

Dear Secretary Sebelius,

We write to you concerning your recent comments about the public option in health insurance reform.

We stand in strong opposition to your statement that the public option is "not the essential element" of comprehensive reform. The opportunity to improve access to healthcare is a onetime opportunity. Americans deserve reform that is real-not smoke and mirrors. We cannot rely solely on the insurance companies' good faith efforts to provide for our constituents. A robust public option is essential, if we are to ensure that all Americans can receive healthcare that is accessible, guaranteed and of high-quality.

To take the public option off the table would be a grave error; passage in the House of Representatives depends upon inclusion of it.

We have attached, for your review, a letter from 60 Members of Congress who are firm in their Position that any legislation that moves forward through both chambers, and into a final proposal for the President's signature, MUST contain a public option.

Sincerely,

CPC (.pdf)

Congressman Raul M. Grijalva Statement on Public Option
Monday August 17, 2009

Congressman Grijalva Statement on Public Option

Tucson, AZ---Congressman Raúl M. Grijalva, co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus issues the flowing statement concerning the public option in the upcoming health care reform legislation:

"The public option is central to healthcare reform. Real reform, which lowers costs and ensures all Americans get the quality, affordable healthcare that they deserve, cannot be accomplished without a robust public option. As we have stated repeatedly for months now, a majority of the members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus will oppose any healthcare reform legislation that does not include a robust public option. Our position has not, and will not, change. As Co-Chair of the Progressive Caucus, I look forward to working with my colleagues to develop comprehensive legislation that allows all Americans to choose the healthcare plan that’s right for them and their families. But I will not support any bill that does not include a public option."

CPC

If this was being done when Bush was President they probably would have been shot ....

Phoenix Business Journal

Three men were carrying guns outside the Phoenix Convention Center Monday morning during President Barack Obama’s visit, but there were no arrests, according to Phoenix Police. One man was carrying an assault rifle and pistol and two others had handguns, according to police.

Obama spoke at the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention at the center Monday. Protesters in downtown Phoenix focused on the health care reform debate. It is not illegal to openly carry weapons in Arizona, but police kept close tabs on the men, said spokesman Andy Hill.

Security was heightened but not intense in downtown Phoenix during the president’s visit. Hill said there were no arrests related to the protests.

Free Democracy

HCR

I don't know if the progressive House Dems will hold firm, but it's certainly a more plausible story than "Max Baucus creates compromise bill that Republicans will vote for." Yet it's the latter story which gets all the attention. Dem pundits should understand that there's pretty good chance that absent good public option, there will be no health care bill.

-Atrios 13:02

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/17/anthony-weiner-no-public-...

toniD's Ya Think?

"If this makes me a one-term president,
we're going to take it on because the
country is in need of us taking this on.'
-- Obama, on fixing health care,

Link

Barack, you can't bet your presidency on the hope
that the Democrats have your back because they don't.

Latest Twists on the Public Option

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I think that probably too much is being made of the latest comments from administration officials regarding the public option. My understanding is that the White House’s position has always been that it favors a public option, thinks a public option is a good idea, wants to see a public option in a bill, and also wants to sign a health reform bill that passes congress, covers the uninsured, and reduces long-run health cost inflation relative to current baseline projections. I haven’t heard anything new from the White House. They never said the president would refuse to sign a bill that doesn’t include a public option, and they’re not saying now that they don’t favor a public option.

So to me, this sounds like the status quo:

The “public option,” a new government insurance program akin to Medicare, has been a central component of Mr. Obama’s agenda for overhauling the health care system, but it has also emerged as a flashpoint for anger and opposition. Kathleen Sebelius, the health and human services secretary, said the public option was “not the essential element” for reform and raised the idea of the co-op during an interview on CNN.

Mr. Obama himself sought to play down the significance of the public option at a town-hall-style meeting on Saturday in Grand Junction, Colo., when a university student challenged him on how private insurers could compete with the government.

All of this is about the fact that private insurers are very powerful, and there’s not sixty votes in the senate for a robust public plan. As Jonathan Zasloff says, it’s extremely annoying to hear this argument from Kent Conrad who refuses to acknowledge that “the reason why ‘there are not enough votes in the Senate’ for a public option is because Kent Conrad opposes it.” At the same time, public plan advocates have gotten a whole bunch of progressive members of the House of Representatives to at least say they won’t vote for a bill that doesn’t include a robust public option.

Nominally at least that means that health reform is now in a legislative dead zone—there aren’t the votes in the House for a bill without a public option and there aren’t the votes in the Senate for a bill with them. If it comes right down to it and the senate is prepared to pass a bill that:

(a) subjects insurance companies to tough new restrictions,
(b) taxes employers who don’t provide decent health insurance to their employees,
(c) creates a new regulated marketplace in which individuals and small business employees can buy quality health insurance,
(d) expands Medicaid eligibility, and
(e) offers subsidies to ensure the affordability of insurance for middle class families

I have a hard time believing that House liberals will really kill the bill. But maybe they will.

One thing I wonder about is this. Given that adding a robust public option into the mix would reduce costs, if you set up a system without a public option wouldn’t you be able to add the public option in later years as an uncontroversial application of the reconciliation process? It seems to me that doing so would count as a 100 percent legitimate deficit reduction play. The public option concept also polls substantially better than does health reform as a whole. Under the circumstances, the odds for securing 50 senate votes for adding one strike me as pretty good.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/08/latest-twists-on-the-...

By the way, Medicare for all IS Single Payer!

toniD's Ya Think?

"You want to talk about Don't Ask Don't Tell, I'll tell you exactly what happened. You couldn't deliver me any support in the Congress...and the media supported them. They raised all kinds of devilment. And all most of you did was to attack me instead
of getting me some support in the Congress."
-- Big Dog, telling the truth on why Dems can't win even when they control everything,

Link

Bill Clinton tried to give gays rights, but the Democrats wouldn't stand with him.

Bill Clinton tried to fix health care, but the Democrats wouldn't stand with him.

We are the party of quitters and losers and we'll stay that way until Blue Dog asshole Democrats decide to stand with the Democratic presidents the people elected.

The Other Side

P O'Neill (whose blog you should read) has a post up about some of the spillover of the nutty US "health care debate" on the discourse in other lands. I'd quibble that the Canadian system comes in for more goofy bashing in the US than the NHS, though. Also, I'd say that while P is right to wonder about the wisdom of US wingnuts cluelessly alienating what would seem to be their "natural allies," i.e., their halfwit ideological counterparts in allied countries abroad, the question of why they'd risk this answers itself -- US conservatives are know-nothing insane. You'd think that, as P says, this would mean that "With enemies like these, maybe Barack Obama doesn't need friends," and fair enough, except that, of course, for reasons nobody can rationally explain, there exists an American legislative body known as the "US Senate."

Obama was not in '08, nor is now, my messiah, but, like, when it comes to health care, or any other domestic policy initiative, how do you solve a problem like Max Baucus?

If we don't get a good health care bill, yes, Obama deserves garbage-pelting. But let's be clear: we have a legislative system that is undemocratic, dysfunctional, and flat-out ridiculous. The only thing it will actually DO as far as spending goes is authorize stupid wars.

-Thers 03:26

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2009/08/other-side.html

toniD's Ya Think?

Free Democracy

Pelosi strongly supports public option

Right on cue, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), a vocal backer of the public option, offered this statement in support of government-sponsored health coverage (her remarks can be loosely translated to mean: The White House can say whatever it likes, but there will be a public option in the House bill):

“As the President stated in March, ‘The thinking on the public option has been that it gives consumers more choices and it helps keep the private sector honest, because there’s some competition out there.’

“We agree with the President that a public option will keep insurance companies honest and increase competition.

“There is strong support in the House for a public option. In the House, all three of our bills contain a public option, as does the bill from the Senate HELP Committee.

“A public option is the best option to lower costs, improve the quality of health care, ensure choice and expand coverage.

“The public option brings real reform to lower costs over the 10-year period of the bill.”
— Patrick O'Connor

By Glenn Thrush 03:24 PM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0809/Pelosi_strongly_supports_...

toniD's Ya Think?

HAHAHAHA
Submitted by Kevin © on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 5:16pm.

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Capt Paul Watson talks about Whale Wars - Interview on Tree Hugger Radio

Part #1

Part #2

CREDO Action..

At a time like this, you have to wish the Democrats were more like the Republicans.

In one specific way, that is - the Republican Party term limits its committee chairs in Congress, whereas Democrats award chairmanships based on seniority. No wonder that Democrats are stuck with Senator Max Baucus to chair the pivotal Finance Committee. Baucus has been in the Senate since 1978, representing a great state, but one with a tiny share of the U.S. population. Not surprisingly, the drug and insurance industries are huge contributors.

Sen. Baucus, as you probably know, has used his chairmanship to put the brakes on health care reform in the Senate, and may ultimately succeed in killing a public health care option almost singlehandedly.

There's no excuse for Sen. Baucus to wield this kind of power. Luckily, there's a way to fight back.

According to The Hill, some members of the Democratic caucus are discussing putting chairmanships to a secret ballot vote every two years - that is to say, every two years, all the Democrats of the Senate would get to vote on whether committee chairs get to keep their seats.

Sign this petition today to tell the senators of the Democratic Caucus: It's time to institute some accountability for the Senate's committee chairs -- no senator should be able to hold health care hostage.

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/chair_rules2/

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http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Skinner/325

Eight more companies -- including Wal-Mart -- reportedly pull Glenn Beck ads

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200908170027

From an August 17 ColorofChange.org press release:

Eight more Glenn Beck advertisers, including Wal-Mart – the world’s largest retailer – have confirmed to ColorOfChange.org that they pulled their ads from the controversial Fox News Channel broadcaster’s eponymous show. Allergan (maker of Restasis), Ally Bank (a unit of GMAC Financial Services), Best Buy, Broadview Security, CVS, Re-Bath, Travelocity and Wal-Mart join the dozen other companies who previously distanced themselves from Beck.

Twenty companies have pulled their ads from Beck’s show in just the last two weeks. The moves come after the Fox News host called President Obama a “racist” who “has a deep-seated hatred for white people” during an appearance on Fox & Friends. Previous companies who pulled their ads include ConAgra, GEICO, Lawyers.com, Men’s Wearhouse, Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance, RadioShack, Roche, SC Johnson, Sanofi-Aventis, Sargento, and State Farm Insurance.

“We are heartened to see so many corporate citizens step up in support of our campaign against Glenn Beck,” said James Rucker, executive director of ColorOfChange.org.

“Their action sends a clear a message to Glenn Beck: Broadcasters shouldn’t abuse the privilege they enjoy by spewing dangerous and racially charged hate language over the air. No matter their political affiliation, hate language doesn’t belong in our national dialogue.”

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Someones Pimping one of my most fertile Pimping ground,Kevin.. ;)

Bartcop's a good site.. :)

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Yeah I use them too .... good stuff on there :)

Statement of U.S. Senator Russ Feingold in Support of a Public Health Insurance Option

Monday, August 17, 2009

“A public option is a fundamental part of ensuring health care reform brings about real change. Opposing the public plan is an endorsement of the status quo in this country that has left tens of millions of Americans uninsured or underinsured and put massive burdens on employers. I have heard too many horror stories from my constituents about how the so-called competitive marketplace has denied them coverage from the outset, offered a benefit plan that covers everything but what they need or failed them some other way. A strong public option would ensure competition in the industry to provide the best, most affordable insurance for Americans and bring down the skyrocketing health care costs that are the biggest contributor to our long-term budget deficits. I am not interested in passing health care reform in name only. Without a public option, I don’t see how we will bring real change to a system that has made good health care a privilege for those who can afford it.”

Link

NEW YORK (JTA) -- One stark difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats appear to be far more willing to confront and publicly denounce bigots and extremists in their own fold. This has been highlighted by the GOP leadership’s failure to condemn Rush Limbaugh’s divisive, race-baiting diatribes.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama unambiguously rejected and repudiated Louis Farrakhan, calling the Nation of Islam leader’s anti-Israel and anti-Jewish tirades “unacceptable and reprehensible.” Despite a very real concern that distancing himself from the Rev. Jeremiah Wright risked alienating a significant part of the Democratic base, Obama also condemned as “ridiculous” and “divisive” what he described as his former pastor’s “rants that aren't grounded in truth."

Similarly, in a June 1992 speech to the Rainbow Coalition, presidential candidate Bill Clinton denounced the incendiary anti-white rhetoric of the hip-hop rap artist, Sister Souljah, thereby incurring the Rev. Jesses Jackson’s wrath.

In sharp contrast and with rare exceptions, the Republican leadership consistently refuses to even address, let alone condemn, Limbaugh’s inflammatory, offensive and vitriol-laced radio broadcasts, either because they condone his sentiments or because they are terrified of losing the votes of his millions of faithful listeners.

Most recently, Limbaugh not only listed “the similarities between the Democrat Party of today and the Nazi Party in Germany,” but compared President Obama to Adolf Hitler.

Here’s what Limbaugh told his nationwide audience: “Obama's got a health care logo that's right out of Adolf Hitler's playbook”; “Obama is asking citizens to rat each other out like Hitler did”; the president “is sending out his brownshirts to head up opposition to genuine American citizens who want no part of what Barack Obama stands for and is trying to stuff down our throats”; and “Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate.”

Limbaugh has a long history of inciting the far-right grass-roots against any political figures who do not reflect his white, fundamentalist Christian, conservative, anti-minority, anti-pluralistic, anti-egalitarian view of the world.

He considers feminists to be “feminazis,” dismissed Justice Sonia Sotomayor as a “hack” and a “reverse racist,” and was outraged when President Obama declared in his April address to the Turkish Parliament that one of the “great strengths of the United States” is that although “we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation; we consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values.”

Limbaugh further appealed to his followers' most xenophobic instincts by telling them that that it is “really uncool to be a white male today,” and that U.S. Rep. David Scott or one of his supporters, rather than a Ku Klux Klan wannabe, most probably had painted a large swastika on a sign outside the African-American congressman’s Georgia district office.

For Holocaust survivors and their families in particular, Limbaugh’s demagogic screeds have ominous overtones with which we are all too familiar.

One would have expected Republican Party leaders who purport to be in the tradition of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt to speak out against Limbaugh’s hate mongering. Instead, Colin Powell has been one of the very few prominent Republicans with the integrity to take on Limbaugh.

“The problem I have with the [Republican] party right now,” Powell told Larry King last month, is that when Limbaugh “says things that I consider to be completely outrageous, and I respond to it, I would like to see other members of the party do likewise. But they don't.”

Indeed, John McCain considers Limbaugh to be “a voice of a significant portion of our conservative movement in America” who “has a lot of people who listen very carefully to him.” Mitt Romney calls Limbaugh “a very powerful voice among conservatives. And I listen to him.” Rudy Giuliani has said that “to the extent that Rush Limbaugh energizes the base of the Republican Party, he's a very valuable and important voice.” And House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, the only Jewish Republican in Congress, believes that “Rush has got ideas. He’s got a following. He believes in the conservative principles that many of us believe in.”

By tolerating and encouraging Limbaugh, the Republican leadership is fomenting racial and ethnic hatred that could have disastrous consequences for our country. Limbaugh’s extremist rhetoric is transforming the Republican side of the American political discourse from one of legitimate political and ideological disagreement among fellow citizens into a demonization of the “other,” that is, everyone who is non-white, non-fundamentalist Christian and non-conservative.

MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann regularly refers to Limbaugh as a “comedian.” That’s a mistake. Limbaugh may have an act, a “shtick,” as it were, but there is nothing funny or entertaining about him. As McCain, Romney, Giuliani and Cantor all acknowledge, Limbaugh wields a great deal of influence in both the Republican Party and the conservative movement. That makes him a dangerous, destructive cancer on both the Republican Party and the American body politic.

The GOP’s leaders now have to make a choice: They can either allow themselves and their party to be defined by Rush Limbaugh, or they must denounce and renounce him once and for all.

(Menachem Z. Rosensaft is an adjunct professor of law at Cornell University and vice president of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and Their Descendants.)

Hi MMR 8-) War Dog and his Mullet
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Strong Turnout, No Shouting at Vermont Town Meetings on Health Care

Sen. Bernie Sanders

Independent U.S. Senator from Vermont
Posted: August 16, 2009 04:19 PM

(VIDEO)

Hundreds of Vermonters -- overwhelmingly in favor of health care reform -- Saturday packed spirited but civil town meetings hosted by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) at a public park in Arlington, Vermont and at a church in Rutland. Both sessions were a stark contrast to raucous town-hall-style meetings in other states that have been disrupted by angry, shouting hecklers.

Watch this video from The Burlington Free Press:

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We have a situation that has to be dealt with not just because of the needs of individual people, but for the sake of our entire economy. We live in a nation in which 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are under-insured. Sixty million Americans do not have access to a doctor on a regular basis. And, according to the Institute of Medicine, some 18,000 Americans die every single year because they get to the doctor too late.

If we don't get a handle on soaring health care costs, whatever you are paying today or whatever your employer is paying today will likely be doubled in 10 years and millions of Americans will be paying 50 percent of their income on health care. That can't happen. The country cannot survive economically, and millions of Americans will not make it economically if we don't deal with this issue.

Sanders' first meeting drew about 600 people to the Unitarian Universalist Church in Rutland, filling the pews inside and spilling over to folding chairs on the lawn outdoors. Another overflow crowd of about 500 jammed into a park pavilion in this town where Norman Rockwell lived and painted his iconic image of a traditional New England town meeting.

At both meetings, Sanders asked the audience for a show of hands if they favored the government making sure that every American has health insurance. Supporters of a public health care program like Medicare for all Americans clearly outnumbered opponents, but separate lines of Vermonters on both sides of the issue took turns asking the senator dozens of questions.

HuffPo

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especially "We Have No Idea What We Are Talking About..."
& thx Kevin © for Whale Wars & TreeHuggers Mag ... ;D
;)

Heavens to Murgatroyd ! {sp :D LOLLOLLOL}:)
Submitted by MMRules on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 6:19pm.
Hi MMR 8-) War Dog and his Mullet
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Conservatives Now Outnumber Liberals in All 50 States, Says Gallup Poll

Monday, August 17, 2009
By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief

(CNSNews.com) - Self-identified conservatives outnumber self-identified liberals in all 50 states of the union, according to the Gallup Poll.

At the same time, more Americans nationwide are saying this year that they are conservative than have made that claim in any of the last four years.

In 2009, 40% percent of respondents in Gallup surveys that have interviewed more than 160,000 Americans have said that they are either “conservative” (31%) or “very conservative” (9%). That is the highest percentage in any year since 2004.

Only 21% have told Gallup they are liberal, including 16% who say they are “liberal” and 5% who say they are “very liberal.”

Thirty-five percent of Americans say they are moderate.

During Republican President George W. Bush’s second term, the number of self-identified conservatives as measured by Gallup dropped, riding at a low of 37% as recently as last year.

According to new data released by Gallup on Friday, conservatives outnumber liberals in all 50 states--including President Obama’s home state of Illinois--even though Democrats have a significant advantage over Republicans in party identification in 30 states.

“In fact, while all 50 states are, to some degree, more conservative than liberal (with the conservative advantage ranging from 1 to 34 points), Gallup's 2009 party ID results indicate that Democrats have significant party ID advantages in 30 states and Republicans in only 4,” said an analysis of the survey results published by Gallup.

“Despite the Democratic Party's political strength-- seen in its majority representation in Congress and in state houses across the country--more Americans consider themselves conservative than liberal,” said Gallup’s analysis.

“While Gallup polling has found this to be true at the national level over many years, and spanning recent Republican as well as Democratic presidential administrations, the present analysis confirms that the pattern also largely holds at the state level,” said Gallup. “Conservatives outnumber liberals by statistically significant margins in 47 of the 50 states, with the two groups statistically tied in Hawaii, Vermont, and Massachusetts.”

Massachusetts, Vermont and Hawaii are the most liberal states, even though conservatives marginally outrank liberals even there. In Massachusetts, according to Gallup, 30% say they are conservative and 29% say they are liberal, a difference that falls within the margin of error for the state. In Vermont, 29% say they are conservative and 28% say they are liberal, which also falls within the survey’s margin of error for the state. In Hawaii, 29% say they are conservative and 24% say they are liberal, which falls within the margin of error for that state.

In one non-state jurisdiction covered by the survey, liberals did outnumber conservatives. That was Washington, D.C., where 37% said they were liberal, 35% said they were moderate and 23% said they were conservative.

Even in New York and New Jersey, conservatives outnumber liberals by 6 percentage points, according to Gallup. In those states, 32% say they are conservative and 26% say they are liberal. In Connecticut, conservatives outnumber liberals by 7 points, 31% to 24%.

Alabama is the state that comes closest to a conservative majority. In that state, according to Gallup, 49% say they are conservative and 15% say they are liberal.

In President Obama’s home state of Illinois, conservatives outnumber liberals, 35% to 23%.

Gallup's results were derived from interviewing 160,236 American adults between Jan. 2, 2009 and June 30, 2009.

Even though conservatives outnumber liberals in all 50 states, in 21 of these states self-identified moderates outnumber conservatives, and in 4 states the percentage saying they are conservative and the percentage saying they are moderate is exactly the same.

The two states with the highest percentage of self-identified moderates are Hawaii and Rhode Island, where 43% say they are moderate

"I believe all these things because freedom is not America's gift to the world, it is the Almighty God's gift to every man and woman in this world."

George W. Bush

..especially about Prez. Clinton.
...ALSO had sex with a chicken ... hahaha
;)

the other 40% is to cheap to support Free Republic.

I'm gonna go live for about 30 minutes just for grins. Will take Skype calls at "bluerootsradio".

Beats the fuck outta watching Tweety. Hey, that's what I'll call it "Beats Watching Tweety!"

Going live in 3.2.1.....

HE'S GOTTA GO!

DO NOT FORGET TO EMAIL SAM ABOUT MULLET!
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HE'S GOTTA GO!

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he stayed with me/we & more...
Great Subject, FINALLY...;D
Now folks may begin 2 sea...
;D

*D'Oh!
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What's up with Skype ?

Last time I uploaded Skype it slowed down my computer Bigtime..

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Exit Stage Left...;)
ooxx teehee

... Heavens to Murgatroyd ! :)
Submitted by MMRules on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 6:19pm.

... in ...troyd :o

broadcasting. Sam and Marc used it, Laura Flanders uses it, it's the thing to use.

I just Googled for Skype problems and see where Vista and Skype weren't happy campers a year ago but it seems they have worked them out.

Currently it has 443 million users, it's working somewhere. ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype

- St. Farm terminates Beck

Reader's Digest to File Chapter 11 to Reduce Debt
Bloomberg - Greg Bensinger - ‎5 hours ago‎
Aug. 17 (Bloomberg)

http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/17/autos/clunker_toyota_tops/?postversion=2...

Clunkers: Toyota passes GM as top seller

Cash for Clunkers buyers are still showing strong preference for smaller cars, as program tops 350,000 sales.

...Buyers have mostly been trading in trucks in favor of small cars, according to data provided the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the agency responsible for running the program. The vast majority of trade-ins, 83%, have been trucks, while 59% of new vehicle purchases have been cars.

The average fuel economy of vehicles being traded in under the program has been 15.8 miles per gallon, according to the latest government data, while the fuel economy of vehicles purchased has averaged 25 mpg, a 58% improvement...

good
real
scary
with just a hint of humor

Back from my work meeting.

Did you know this?

Lack of Medicare Appointee Puzzles Congress
By ROBERT PEAR

WASHINGTON — President Obama has made health care his top priority. He says the cost of Medicare and Medicaid is “the biggest threat” to the nation’s fiscal future. But to the puzzlement of Congress and health care experts around the country, Mr. Obama has not named anyone to lead the agency that runs the two giant programs.

The agency, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, is the largest buyer of health care in the United States. Its programs are at the heart of efforts to overhaul the health care system. If it had an administrator, that person would be working with Congress on legislation and could be preparing the agency for a new, expanded role.

“The vacancy stands out like a sore thumb,” said Dr. Denis A. Cortese, president of the Mayo Clinic, often cited by the White House as a health care model.

“In effect,” Dr. Cortese said, “Medicare is the nation’s largest insurance company. The president and Congress function as the board of directors.

“Under a strong administrator, it could take the lead in making major changes in the health care delivery system, so we’d get better outcomes and better service at lower cost.”

The agency provides health insurance to 98 million people, pays 1.2 billion claims a year and has an annual budget of more than $700 billion. It has a pervasive influence on medical care, regulating hospitals, doctors, health plans, laboratories and almost every other type of health care provider. When Medicare decides to cover a new treatment or adopts a new payment policy, private insurers often follow its lead.

Trying to remake the health care system without a Medicare administrator is like fighting a war without a general.

“You need a general,” said Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, Democrat of West Virginia and chairman of the health subcommittee of the Finance Committee. Of the job vacancy, Mr. Rockefeller said: “It’s a big problem. I can’t explain it.”

Administration officials said they were searching for someone with the right mix of managerial experience and clinical expertise.

“We’re working hard to find the best fit to steer C.M.S. during this critical period,” said Reid H. Cherlin, a White House spokesman. “We look forward to nominating an administrator soon.”

The agency has not had a regular Senate-confirmed administrator since October 2006, when Dr. Mark B. McClellan stepped down. Its chief operating officer, Charlene M. Frizzera, has been the acting administrator since January.

Mr. Cherlin said the agency was “running at 100 percent capacity” and continued to provide vital services. more..

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/health/policy/18health.html?partner=rs...

Remember the last one was Dr McClellen

toniD's Ya Think?

Egad.

Submitted by Fernando on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 9:12pm.
St. Farm terminates Beck
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Saints can do that?

Palin's Red Menace

By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, August 18, 2009

Try this on for size: Palinism. What is it? It is an updated version of McCarthyism, which takes its name from the late Sen. Joseph McCarthy, the Wisconsin liar, demagogue and drunk, and means, according to Wikipedia, "reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries." As far as we know, Sarah Palin is not a drunk.

But she certainly shares McCarthy's other attributes -- and this one as well: the ability to drive the debate. In McCarthy's day, it was anti-communism coupled with national security, and it hardly mattered that he frequently did not have his facts straight. He got huge amounts of attention anyway.

With Palin, the subject is health care, which in many ways is the Red Menace of our day and lends itself to a kind of political pornography. For sheer disregard of the facts, her statement about President Obama's "death panel" has to rank with McCarthy's announcement that "I have here in my hand a list of 205" (or 57 or 72 or whatever) names of communists in the State Department. They were both false -- McCarthy's by commission, Palin's probably by omission. She rarely knows her facts.

The most depressing aspects of McCarthy's career were not just the excesses of the man himself but the refusal of others -- mainly his fellow Republicans -- to either rein him in or defend his victims. Now we are seeing something similar with Palin. Say what you will about any of the health-care proposals, not one of them suggests a "death panel" empowered to withhold medical services from the aged or those with disabilities. To suggest that one exists is reprehensible. To state it outright is either boldly demagogic or just plain loopy.

Yet, you can beat the bushes to a fine powder and find only two Republicans of note -- Sens. Johnny Isakson and Lisa Murkowski -- who had the courage or the decency to tell Palin that she doesn't know what she's talking about. Certainly, this was not the case with Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, who in fact virtually seconded Palin's charge. This is not just because Gingrich himself can be casual with the facts but also because his urge to be politically expedient often overwhelms his convictions.

Something similar could be said about Sen. Charles Grassley, a key Senate Republican on health care. He mouthed a limp echo of Palin's lie and then boldly looked the other way. Sadly, the list of the meek includes Palin's Geppetto, Sen. John McCain, who fashioned her out of political desperation and has yet to whittle her down to size. In an update of the folk tale, I'd like to think that whenever he praises Palin, his own nose grows.

As with McCarthyism, Palinism is a product of its times. McCarthy exploited the public's fear of communism and communists. Not only were they abroad, but they were here in America -- spies, fellow travelers, pinkos, apologists, intellectuals and short, bespectacled minorities. It was their very ubiquity and invisibility that made them so dangerous.

Health-care reform provides Palin the same opportunity. The klutziness of Obama's effort -- people think they know what they can lose but have no idea of what they can gain -- again raises the specter of invisible forces that will take but not give, dictate but not listen, tax but not provide. But as is almost always the case with right-wing populists, the shooter has aimed at her own foot. Palin's "death panel" remarks either killed or helped kill the proposal to offer end-of-life counseling. The victims will be the poor, the uninformed and the ideologically blind who will find themselves unable to make a graceful exit. The affluent have their living wills and such. The poor have only their grief. more...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/17/AR200908...

toniD's Ya Think?

The 2009 Poverty Guidelines for the
48 Contiguous States and the District of Columbia Persons in family Poverty guideline
1 $10,830
2 14,570
3 18,310
4 22,050
5 25,790
6 29,530
7 33,270
8 37,010
For families with more than 8 persons, add $3,740 for each additional person.

The Public Option would subsidize people making up to 3x the poverty level.

You do the math.

toniD's Ya Think?

SamSederI'm subbing 4 TYT wed and thurs 7pm ET more info soon RT @daveyeah @SamSeder Can you tell us when you'll be hosting TYT this week?

toniD's Ya Think?

It can also mean street. Buy a dictionary amateur.
: )

http://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/news/20090824/older-people-are-binge-...

Older People Are Binge Drinkers, Too

Aug. 17, 2009 -- Older people as well as aging baby boomers may be turning to booze and binge drinking, a new study shows...
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F'nando, I love ya man.

Sunshine Jim & MMRules
for your positive thoughts
I'm sorry I had to get away
from the blog - I'm @ work &
very busy. It makes the time
go by fast.

...
The whole secret process is seedy and demonstrates cruel disregard for the millions of American who, whether in dire need of medical services or not, voted in “change we can believe in.”
...

http://nader.org/index.php?/archives/2134-Now-Make-Me-Do-It.html

If that's a jab at me because I made toniD's fantastic vodka creme sauce with sun dried tomatoes on spagetti al dente with tequila lime chicken and lemon pepper then that's a lame ass comment Crank.

There's not even any alcohol in it before it gets served on the table.

Besides,

You don't have any idea how many beers I had while grilling it either so there.

But I love you too. And all the Sederville bloggers. This place rocks.

Protesters want UC Berkeley law professor fired

Monday, August 17, 2009

(08-17) 17:16 PDT Berkeley, Calif. (AP) --

Police have arrested at least four people during a protest at the University of California, Berkeley campus.

Campus police made the arrests as protesters gathered Monday outside the UC Berkeley School of Law to call for the dismissal of John Yoo.

He's scheduled to begin teaching there after spending the spring semester at Chapman University School of Law in Orange County.

The arrests came after police asked the protesters to leave.

Yoo worked for the Bush administration from 2001 to 2003, when he helped craft legal theories for waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques.

The tenured professor has defended the controversial techniques, saying they were needed to protect the country from terrorists after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/08/17/state/n143920D78...

toniD's Ya Think?

If you ever want to talk, just call me.

Is Wendy back yet?

toniD's Ya Think?

A Tweet from Sam
Submitted by toniD on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 10:04pm.
SamSederI'm subbing 4 TYT wed and thurs 7pm ET more info soon RT @daveyeah @SamSeder Can you tell us when you'll be hosting TYT this week?
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Thanks,Toni.. :)

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Bring Steve. I always make extra. You don't even have to RSVP. But if you come through the front door, you might have to knock. The back gate's always open and smells better.

be right over!

Submitted by Fernando on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 10:17pm.
...But I love you too
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"But no man, rully, I love you more. Rully."

I'm working on a game show parody called Drunk Dial.

It's sort of like a wheel of misfortune for whomever gets the call.

If I'm making pasta in the summer, it's grilled and it's actually better that way imo. But it takes a lot longer to make. I grill all the time during the summer just to not waste the a/c and because why not. Only really cook inside during the fall through spring on cooler days.

dinner's off the table now but there are left overs if you want...

Good luck with your dream Crank. Can I buy a vowel?

Boehner To Drug Makers: Stop Appeasing Obama

House Republican Leader John Boehner launched an unusually harsh broadside at an estranged GOP ally Monday, ripping the drug industry for siding with President Obama's health care reform proposal.

PhRMA has agreed to trim $80 billion in costs over ten years and support the president in exchange for assurances the White House is not making public.

Republicans on Capitol Hill have been grumbling about the defection of the powerful lobby, which is running vague ads in support of reform. The letter is by leaps the most public stab at the group, which is run by a former top Republican congressman, Billy Tauzin.

"Dear Billy," begins the diatribe. "Appeasement rarely works as a conflict resolution strategy" - an interesting choice of words given the media focus on Nazi symbols at raucous townhall gathering.

Boehner goes on to compare the White House to a schoolyard bully in sympathizing with PhRMA's predicament. "When a bully asks for your lunch money, you may have no choice but to fork it over. But cutting a deal with the bully is a different story, particularly if the 'deal' means helping him steal others' money as the price of protecting your own."

The letter is perversely well timed for PhRMA; the deal with Obama has been the target of sharp criticism from progressives, who accuse the White House of getting snookered by PhRMA and doing so in secret. The attack from the right gives the PhRMA deal a measure of political cover.

But for Boehner, it's the drug makers who got scammed. "Now that the deal is publicly known and would be messy for you to reverse, Big Government is changing the terms. . .because it can," he laments.

Aides to Tauzin, Obama, and Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who was a party to the deal, didn't immediately return requests for comment. more...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/17/boehner-to-drug-makers-st_n_261...

toniD's Ya Think?

Drunk Dialing, when you really care to say something you'll never remember you even said in the first place.

G'nite kids, sorry I got distracted and had a phone call (sober I think).

MC: "Lenny Moskowitz, COME ON DOWN."

[Lenny steps into the aisle, stumbles, and rolls down three levels before coming to rest scrunched against a seat. Then he snores.]

MC: "Okay, Lenny needs more time. Let's move on to our second contestant...Kevin McCafferty, COME ON DOWN."

Kevin: "Says WHO?"

MC: "Hey, Kevin! You've been selected to play DRUNK DIAL. COME ON DOWN!"

Kevin: "Fuck you. I ain't takin' that shit off nobody!"

[MC shuffles his three by five cards nervously.]

gets little fan fare. But I think he's doing a great job every time he gets called up.

Submitted by Fernando on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 10:34pm.
If I'm making pasta in the summer, it's grilled and it's actually better that way imo.
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I can't do it. The vermicelli keeps slipping between the wires.

Sleep well.

toniD's Ya Think?

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so little thought to giving away our money to banks and corporations....

Oh..did I say thought...? I meant rhetoric....

Word!

My daughter complains when she's answered that way. She thinks the listener isn't listening. But it means something. Something you don't say or write often.

Alice. I'm buying an old car to mess around with. I think powerful engines are coming that suck the carbon out of the environment using biofuels. I want to paint it silly and just turn it on from time to time just to hear it scare the dog. I'd probably drive some friends to the track in it for grins. Does that make me a terrible person?
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Submitted by Alice on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 10:53pm

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Unfortunately..

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I'm sorry you feel depressed....

:(

I have nothing helpful to say about it...

Hard work done well is the mark of a great American smcgee43.

Pace yourself so you don't tire out. I do better work that way.

MC: "Okay, Phillip, this is how the game is played. You call someone, anyone you choose. If you can keep them on the phone for five minutes you win...

Announcer: "A NEW CAR!"

Phillip: "My license was revoked."

MC: "Not to worry, Phillip. Nobody is going to stay on the line with you for five minutes."

Phillip: "Oh, yeah? Whadda 'bout my old school bud Larry? I hant seen him for more'n ten years!"

MC: "Like I said, Phillip. You won't be winning the car. Now it's time to play Drunk Dial!"

[Brrriinng. Brrriinng.]

Larry: "Hello?"

Phillip: "Hey man, it's me! Yer ol' pal."

Larry: "Who is this?"

Phillip: "We used ta do stuff, 'member?"

Larry: "Who are you trying to call?"

Phillip: "Phillip! It's Phillip!"

Larry: "There's no Phillip here."

[Click]

Audience: "Awwwwwwwwwww."

MC: "Sorry Phillip. That call lasted only fourteen seconds."

Phillip: "Maybe wuzza wrong number?"

MC: "No, it was the right number."

Phillip: "He dint know who wuz I."

MC: "Oh, I think he knew who your were."

http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/08/17/michael-vick-and-the-problem...

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/17/twitter-usa...

How often do the guys in white suits come by to change out the pads on your walls?

...the awards and monetary sums we ought to be receiving in this world...that's a good idea Fernando...

I won't hip check you while you aren't looking Alice.

I was trying to relate with the passage of time over one's life, and reliving them in a new retro life of a new generation so as to appreciate the circle of life. They don't make them like they used to. And it makes me feel good to try to leave that for someone after I'm gone.

It's not a money thing.

is a hard thing to gauge I would think...

The results:

Pointless babble: 40.55 percent
Conversational: 37.55
Pass-along value. 8.7
Self-promoting: 5.85
Spam: 3.75
News: 3.6

The study also presented some Twitter demographics, care of Quantcast.com:

55 percent of users are female
43 percent are between 18 and 34
78 percent are white
1 percent of users contribute 35 percent of the visits
72 percent are passersby; 27 percent are regulars

If you’re feeling beaten down by all the babble, first, be aware that, given the statistics above, you yourself are probably part of the problem. Second, there may be help in the form of a filter called Philtro, now in beta-testing: “If you’ve got a truly unruly Twitter feed, we’ve got your back.”

You thumb-up or thumb-down the tweets you like or don’t like, and the “type” you don’t like gets filtered out accordingly.

BTW: If anyone wants to follow my pointless babble, I’m @eniedowski.

Great! You have an important topic to blog about? Fantastic!

Why don't you start then.

stuff a lot at work...

I haven't heard a convincing argument about being slow at work yet...

if I do it quickly. I know I've saved more time and money by spending the time to triple check it and then corroborate it with an alternate sources of information. That takes time but it's worth it.

If you try to slam my girl, Pedro, so help me....

"SLEEP TIGHT, BATSHIT."
-Bill Maher to 9/11 nut
www.sigzone.blogspot.com

Palin's Red Menace By
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Submitted by toniD on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 9:33pm.
Palin's Red Menace

By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, August 18, 2009

Try this on for size: Palinism. What is it? It is an updated version of McCarthyism, which takes its name from the late Sen. Joseph McCarthy, the Wisconsin liar, demagogue and drunk, and means, according to Wikipedia, "reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries." As far as we know, Sarah Palin is not a drunk.

But she certainly shares McCarthy's other attributes -- and this one as well: the ability to drive the debate. In McCarthy's day, it was anti-communism coupled with national security, and it hardly mattered that he frequently did not have his facts straight. He got huge amounts of attention anyway.

With Palin, the subject is health care, which in many ways is the Red Menace of our day and lends itself to a kind of political pornography. For sheer disregard of the facts, her statement about President Obama's "death panel" has to rank with McCarthy's announcement that "I have here in my hand a list of 205" (or 57 or 72 or whatever) names of communists in the State Department. They were both false -- McCarthy's by commission, Palin's probably by omission. She rarely knows her facts.
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The author here misses the reason it was easy to make the American provincials hate communism -- wasn't it the secular approach that jettisoned the SkyGod with the view about religion being the opiate of the masses stuff?

Palin holds the Dominionist view that is the basis of the insanely intolerant Culture War and obsession to remake the USA over into a theocracy.

I was never sure just where McCarthy was going accept he was allowed to do the fearmongering to get the populace to believe the Korean War was not a waste and that they should allow more of their taxes to go into the Military Industrial Congressional Complex in the hyped Cold War.

But Palin and the Dominionists, we know where they want to go. Totalitarian, authoritarian theocracy in the mode of THEIR brand of religion. Taliban Palin is what this is about.

*depending on your idea of important ..even though it's in the dictionary too

Don't listen to the asshats. You rock.

"SLEEP TIGHT, BATSHIT."
-Bill Maher to 9/11 nut
www.sigzone.blogspot.com

P just told me that his GP quit his practice recently because he believes the world is ending in four years...

I let a man who believes this, caretake for the first time ever on my watch..on P...my husband...

I suck...Why didn't I know this? I never went to his office...I trusted someone who was "a leftie" because she said he was the best dr. in my area for this...

-Alice
Submitted by M the a-c on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 11:59pm.

Don't listen to the asshats. You rock.-

But you know this..and you don't care..so me either.. :)

No arrests during Obama visit, but three seen with guns
Submitted by Kevin © on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 5:03pm.
If this was being done when Bush was President they probably would have been shot ....

Phoenix Business Journal

Three men were carrying guns outside the Phoenix Convention Center Monday morning during President Barack Obama’s visit, but there were no arrests, according to Phoenix Police. One man was carrying an assault rifle and pistol and two others had handguns, according to police.

Obama spoke at the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention at the center Monday. Protesters in downtown Phoenix focused on the health care reform debate. It is not illegal to openly carry weapons in Arizona, but police kept close tabs on the men, said spokesman Andy Hill.

Security was heightened but not intense in downtown Phoenix during the president’s visit. Hill said there were no arrests related to the protests.
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And yet, on the left, healthcare professionals who protested single payer being off the table, were hauled out and arrested beacause they silently stood up and turned their backs on Baucus and his panel so that signs on their backs could be seen and read.

http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/in-the-news/2009/may/baucus-health...

[excerpt]

at the second Finance Committee session, dozens of California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee members and their allies showed up to protest the heavy-handed tactics. At the opening of the hearing, roughly thirty of them rose and turned their backs to Baucus. On their backs were signs reading: "Pass Single-Payer" and "Nurses Say: Patients First." Other signs, reading "Stop AHIP," protested the collaboration by the Obama administration and Baucus with the country's most powerful industry lobby, the America's Health Insurance Plans group.

While the health-insurance lobby has been welcomed to the roundtable discussions organized by Baucus, the nurses and their allies were told to leave. When five objected to their exclusion from the hearing, and to the the exclusion of single-payer from the debate about how to fix a broken private healthcare system, they were arrested. Among those taken into custody were Dr. Judy Dasovich, Dr. Steven Fenichel and California nurses DeAnn McEwen and Sue Cannon.

Their crime? As healthcare professionals, they dared to dissent from the Baucus-led attempt to impose an insurance company approved plan under the guise of "reform."

[end excerpt]

Why can the right get away with guns and the left can't get away with non-violent silent protest?

Looks like our government has factions within the bureaucracy that favor the right, no matter an in-your-face strutting of firearms at Presidential appearances.

Luntz admits he tries to convince focus group attendees to oppose health care reform.

THINK PROGRESS

In May, pollster Frank Luntz presented a memo to congressional Republicans, laying out a strategy for opposing health care reform. Since then, the GOP has closely followed his script.

Appearing on Fox News today, Luntz claimed that his recent focus groups have shown how “angry” Americans are about President Obama’s push for health care reform. But Luntz also admitted that he tries to convince people at his focus groups to be more scared of government than insurance companies:

LUNTZ: They were more angry and more fearful of government than insurance companies, but not by much. And what I’m saying to people who are nervous about this health care, as I listen to the give and take, is if you don’t like the insurance companies — and most people don’t — then do you really want to add an extra layer of bureaucracy and an extra level of bureaucrats and yet another set of people who can say no to you.

Watch it:

During his Fox appearance, Luntz never mentioned that he also provides strategic advice to various health insurance companies.

Scalia says there’s nothing unconstitutional about executing the innocent.

Almost two decades ago, Troy Anthony Davis was convicted of murder and sentenced to die. Since then, seven of the witnesses against him have recanted their testimony, and some have even implicated Sylvester “Redd” Coles, a witness who testified that Davis was the shooter. In light of the very real evidence that Davis could be innocent of the crime that placed him on death row, the Supreme Court today invoked a rarely used procedure giving Davis an opportunity to challenge his conviction. Joined by Justice Clarence Thomas in dissent, however, Justice Antonin Scalia criticized his colleagues for thinking that mere innocence is grounds to overturn a conviction:

This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is “actually” innocent. Quite to the contrary, we have repeatedly left that question unresolved, while expressing considerable doubt that any claim based on alleged “actual innocence” is constitutionally cognizable.

So in Justice Scalia’s world, the law has no problem with sending an innocent man to die. One wonders why we even bother to have a Constitution.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/17/scalia-actual-innocence/

but not much to "say", ATT
;)

:):(

'To a Mouse,' by Robert Burns

"Wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim'rous beastie,
O, what a panic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi' bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
Wi' murd'ring pattle!"

Poetry is a social as well as a creative art, a mode of communication which distills the critical essence of the author's emotions and meaning and makes them transferable to another. As such, it reaches its fullest potential only when shared, knowingly and consciously. Indeed, I believe it is the act of sharing that makes poetry a 'soul transfusion,'

if anyone gives a flying fuck.

SJ, well it makes it something anyhow...

I really only cheated a little but enough to tell you guys were amazing in the past 6-7 weeks.

I have a problem with that..

Since you brought it up...It was my derby coach's birthday Aug 1..we had a surprise party for her at a later date because she was out of town....here is a poem that a team mate wrote for her...I haven't been able to ask her if she writes poems regularly...Her derby name is Pollyanna Pitchfork..we have the same first name in real life..So I am trying to get people to just call me Alyce at practice...I keep looking when the coach says our name....

http://mountainderbygirls.org/blog/2009/08/really-bad-roller-derby-poem-...

Your presence reminded me that my class started today...I'd better get on it...

l8r...and welcome back.. xoxoxo!

I'm glad I'm good for something, schoolwise.

Glenn Beck: Master of winger fear.

so I can join the 50 million club before Sept premiums come due...

etc.

glad yer back!

good pome alice! i liked it

good to read ya.

Didem brought back memories of all my belly dancing friends. we had a winter to get through on the Oregon coast in the late 70's and we put on a belly dancing show. i was the eemcee. three of my freinds were superb dancers and it was one of the high points of that year, it was beautiful.

what a great memory to have, thanks for triggering it.

I like Pollyana P Poem too. TeaHee ;)
;)

I am just fooling around the Tubes and that came up :)

Belly Dancing is always good .

re all & re: Naruto-Godsmack-Bad Religion
Submitted by Kevin © on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 2:04am.
;)

Free Democracy

then I saw another version on Alice and eek... but part of me says {me being nice :} "wow" he has a beat and can kinda move..." at least. ;)

Free Democracy

;)

- The cops are getting jacked left and right here.

Income Share for Richest in U.S. Set Record in 2007, Study Says
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By Ryan J. Donmoyer

Aug. 18 (Bloomberg) -- The highest-earning Americans accounted for the biggest share ever of the nation’s income in 2007 as the U.S. headed toward recession, an analysis of tax data shows.

The wealthiest 15,000 households, those making more than $11.5 million a year, got a record 6.04 percent of the nation’s $8.7 trillion in income, according to the study by University of California-Berkeley economics professor Emmanuel Saez. The previous year those households amassed 5.46 percent of the total, the tax data shows.

In Saez’s study, the richest Americans represent the top 0.01 percent of all households. In 1928, the year before the Great Depression began, the share of the nation’s income for this slice of households was 5.04 percent.

“This shows that 2007 was an incredibly good year for the super-rich,” Saez wrote in an update of a paper he publishes on his Web site. Saez didn’t immediately return a phone call and e-mail seeking further comment.

A separate analysis by the weekly journal Tax Notes suggested the poor got poorer in 2007. The share of all U.S. income made by the 66 million Americans who earn less than $30,000 a year shrank by 2.3 percent from 2006, a decline of $149 per taxpayer.

The data may be ammunition for congressional Democrats weighing a surtax on wealthier Americans to help pay for an overhaul of the nation’s health-care system.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aQA22UFK41uc

toniD's Ya Think?

Hong Kong Jobless Rate Stays Close to Four-Year High in Wake of Recession
Hong Kong’s jobless rate stayed close to a four-year high as employers remained reluctant to hire in the wake of the worst recession since at least 1990.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=a_qX6._q.pYU

toniD's Ya Think?

Senate Dems: Public Option Essential

It looks like after weeks of battling Republicans, the White House will spend this week placating the Democrats. After administration officials hinted over the weekend that they were willing to drop a public option from health-care reform, prominent Democratic Senators Jay Rockefeller and Russ Feingold said that the public option is a “must” and "without a public option, I don't see how we will bring real change to a system that has made good health care a privilege for those who can afford it," respectively. Nancy Pelosi, meanwhile, said that the public option will remain in the House version of the bill and Rep. Anthony Weiner said that a lack of a public option could cost reform 100 Democratic votes in the House.
Read it at The Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/17/AR200908...

toniD's Ya Think?

House Won't Drop Public Option

House leaders say there's no way the health care bill will pass without a public option, even though the Obama administration has seemed to back off the plan, Politico reports. The vote will be pushed back to the end of September, the leaders say, and it will be up to the Senate to drop the controversial public-option from the bill. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said on Sunday that the public option was “not the essential element” and floated the idea of co-ops, but an administration official tells Marc Ambinder that Sebelius “misspoke,” and that she was simply trying to point out that, in President Obama’s view, the public option is not the most important part of the reform package. Another official, Linda Douglass, says, "Nothing has changed. The President has always said that what is essential that health-insurance reform lower costs, ensure that there are affordable options for all Americans and increase choice and competition in the health insurance market. He believes that the public option is the best way to achieve these goals." Two key senators also called the public option "essential" to the bill on Monday.
Read it at Marc Ambinder

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/administration_official_sebelius...

toniD's Ya Think?

Hate is not new to 2009. And negative campaigning, either against presidents or their policy prescriptions, is not a recent innovation in U.S. politics. The first excessively partisan presidential campaign in U.S. history – that is to say, an election featuring discourse that was vicious and personally nasty – was the first one that did not feature George Washington as a candidate.

But 1796! Now there was an election year not for the faint of heart. A victory by the Jeffersonians, warned the Federalists, would induce in the new country "the teaching of murder, robbery, rape, adultery, and incest."

Then, as now, scare tactics worked for an incumbent and his party, especially when accompanied by a strong economy. Trade was gangbusters that year, and the Federalists' candidate, Vice President John Adams, prevailed. Adams liked power, and wanted to keep it. To that end, his party passed The Sedition Act to punish the very kind of speech his followers used against Thomas Jefferson. It didn't matter. The 1800 election was calmer, but Jefferson won anyway.

The Sedition Act made a crime – punishable by up to two years in prison – of uttering or publishing "any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent ... to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them the hatred of the good people of the United States."

This patently unconstitutional law expired at the end of Adams' single term in office, and by Jefferson's second year as president, the very sort of personal invective that epitomizes today's political discourse was in full swing – against him.

Not least among its practitioners was one James T. Callender, an erstwhile Jefferson ally, who'd been imprisoned in the Adams era, and who turned his poison pen on his former friend in ways that are still being felt today. (Yes, Callender was the man who first spread the rumors about Jefferson and a slave girl named Sally Hemings). Callender's rhetorical imagery had a brutal tone to it that would be right at home on the message boards of any of a thousand political websites today – or at one of this summer's health care town hall meetings: It would have been advantageous to Jefferson's reputation, Callender wrote on September 15, 1802, if Jefferson's head had been cut off five minutes before his inauguration speech.

This year has brought any number of modern day Callenders to the fore. Most disturbing, their fantasy is not merely the electoral defeat of those with whom they have policy disagreements: No, it's the deaths of those with whom they disagree.

Last week, on the grass outside a town hall meeting in Hagerstown, Md., hosted by Democratic Rep. Ben Cardin, organized labor was out in force. Its members chanted slogans in support of universal health insurance. Conservative picketers responded with such charming slogans as "Get a Job!" And "Union Thugs Go Home!" That seemed rude, but certainly within the bounds of legitimate protest, but the man who sported the sign "Death to Obama" and "Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids" unnerved the crowd and someone called the cops. The holder of the offensive sign, unidentified by authorities, was detained by sheriff's officers and turned over to the U.S. Secret Service for questioning. It is, after all, illegal to threaten the life of a president.

It's easy to dismiss the guy as an obvious nut, but that's not really the point. Here's the point: Unhinged political extremists can be galvanized into action by the words of others; they can arm themselves; and they can act on their delusions. It's happened twice recently, once in a Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas, where George Tiller, a physician who performed abortions, was murdered on May 31 during Sunday services; and less than two weeks later at the Holocaust Memorial Museum, which a virulent 88-year-old white supremacist visited with mass murder on his mind. He shot and killed Stephen Tyrone Johns, a heroic and quick-thinking African American security guard.

The question that inevitably arises after such events is what part was played by less loony (but irresponsible) political players who egged them on. Bill Clinton tried to pin the devastating 1995 Oklahoma City bombing on Rush Limbaugh and his medium, which the president denounced as "hate-talk radio." Its denizens, the president said, are "purveyors of hate and division" who "leave the impression, by their very words, that violence is acceptable."

Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle chimed in that when Limbaugh and his imitators verbally blast those in public life, some of their listeners "aren't satisfied just to listen" – thereby insinuating a clear connection between rhetoric critical of public officials and violence.

Democrats are stressing that very theme again this summer, but this time with a twist: They are using similar language – language, in fact, that is often identical, and sometimes even more incendiary, than their opponents – all while complaining that such words create a combustible environment. Ironic, yes, but irony – along with wit, tolerance, and humor – seems in short supply this summer.
more...

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/18/free-speech-vs-hate-speech/

toniD's Ya Think?

lead story on the yellow stream nbc

people leaving the uber-liberal AARP for its conservative cousin [some hack made up conservative organization I'm not going to repeat the name of] Oh I'm on cbs UTTM...but still.

If the dems don't come back realizing that all is lost anyway... If they don't carry through and come up with a Health bill...they will loose house and senate seats, I don't know who they are going to loose them to, certainly not this insane cabal of rethug cronies.

morning joe's trying to get on my good side by saying newt and sarah are loons.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

I noticed that about Morning Joe. Scarborough even got on Buchanan's case this AM. Why MSNBC thinks they need Pat Buchanan is a mystery. He's a racist, poison mouthed ass.

toniD's Ya Think?

This Is Reform?
By BOB HERBERT

It’s never a contest when the interests of big business are pitted against the public interest. So if we manage to get health care “reform” this time around it will be the kind of reform that benefits the very people who have given us a failed system, and thus made reform so necessary.

Forget about a crackdown on price-gouging drug companies and predatory insurance firms. That’s not happening. With the public pretty well confused about what is going on, we’re headed — at best — toward changes that will result in a lot more people getting covered, but that will not control exploding health care costs and will leave industry leaders feeling like they’ve hit the jackpot.

The hope of a government-run insurance option is all but gone. So there will be no effective alternative for consumers in the market for health coverage, which means no competitive pressure for private insurers to rein in premiums and other charges. (Forget about the nonprofit cooperatives. That’s like sending peewee footballers up against the Super Bowl champs.)

Insurance companies are delighted with the way “reform” is unfolding. Think of it: The government is planning to require most uninsured Americans to buy health coverage. Millions of young and healthy individuals will be herded into the industry’s welcoming arms. This is the population the insurers drool over.

This additional business — a gold mine — will more than offset the cost of important new regulations that, among other things, will prevent insurers from denying coverage to applicants with pre-existing conditions or imposing lifetime limits on benefits. Poor people will either be funneled into Medicaid, which will have its eligibility ceiling raised, or will receive a government subsidy to help with the purchase of private insurance.

If the oldest and sickest are on Medicare, and the poorest are on Medicaid, and the young and the healthy are required to purchase private insurance without the option of a competing government-run plan — well, that’s reform the insurance companies can believe in.

And then there are the drug companies. A couple of months ago the Obama administration made a secret and extremely troubling deal with the drug industry’s lobbying arm, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America. The lobby agreed to contribute $80 billion in savings over 10 years and to sponsor a multimillion-dollar ad campaign in support of health care reform. more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/opinion/18herbert.html?_r=1&partner=rs...

And Rachel reported, last night, that Health Insurance stocks were up. Gee, wonder why? Could it be the windfall of all the new, mandated sign ups they would get without a public option?

toniD's Ya Think?

He fills a need and he's on call.

Morning tD, nando

I was always thinking - maybe one of these years I'd watch an episode of dancing with the stars...

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

“We're Not Gonna Take It” by The Who

Tommy: Now you can't hear me,
your ears are truly sealed.
You can't speak either,
your mouth is filled.
You can't see nothing,
and pinball completes the scene.
Here comes Uncle Ernie to guide you to
Your very own machine.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

President Obama didn't think so back in the days when he was running for president and it may be time for progressives to start rethinking the question as well. To be clear, mandates, or something very mandate like, are an essential part of a universal health care plan. They are needed for universal coverage; this is largely addressed by insurance reform measures that prohibit discrimination based on pre-existing condition and denial of coverage. With these measures in place, a person can first sign up for insurance after they get sick. It's sort of like buying car insurance after you have been in a wreck, and then having the insurer pick up the tab.

Of course, if everyone waited until they got sick before they bought insurance, then the system does not work. Hence the mandates. But it is important to understand that the mandates are not about extending coverage, they are about preventing free-riding. They are, in effect, a form of taxation, and a a very regressive one.

So, in a context where a public plan looks to be dead in the water -- thank you Kent Conrad -- the question is whether progressives should support a regressive tax, the proceeds of which goes to the insurance industry.

If we get the sort of insurance reform that President Obama has proposed, then mandates, or something very much like them, will be necessary at some point. But they will not be necessary from day 1. After all, not everyone is going to rush out to game the insurance system. It will take some period of time before the number of free riders grows enough to be a real problem.

We know that it will be necessary to revisit health care in the not too future in any case. The lack of mandates will help to ensure that this date comes sooner. Then we can talk about measures that will allow us to control costs, like a robust public plan.

But, if we can't get a public plan in this round, why should progressives be pushing for a regressive tax that will go into the pockets of the insurance companies and their overpaid CEOs? Let the insurance companies try to make a living in the market, when they grow up and feel strong enough to compete with a public plan, then we can have mandates.

And, if it is necessary to agree to mandates to get insurance reform through this round, then we should at least be clear what is going on. The insurance companies' employees in Congress will insist on taxing workers to line their bosses pockets.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/are-mandates-mandatory_b_260919...

This is why the Health Insurance stocks rose. Put the Public option back.

toniD's Ya Think?

toniD's Ya Think?

Talking about Medicare for all.

And he's doing a great job.

I LOVE ANTHONY WEINER!!!

toniD's Ya Think?

If it has not become painfully obvious to you that the Insurance Companies and the Sickness Care Industry is writing the "Health" Care legislation in Congress, you seriously need to wake up.

They are spending millions of dollars to do so. And what are they spending it on? Politicians.

Politicians and ads to sway public opinion.

This brings us to the key question: What do they want?

They want a Health Care Bill that mandates, by law, that every American HAS to, is forced to, must, buy insurance......FROM THEM.

By Law.

With no alternative.

Their goal is to get 46 million new forced 'customers.'

Let me say that one more time.

The Insurance companies want "reform" that will force every American to buy their product.

buhdydharma's diary :: :: Their shoddy, inefficient, BAD product that doesn't work.

Their product that costs more than any other insurance in the world....and that delivers the only the 37th best Health Care in the world.

The product that they want to force you, by law, to have to buy.

Without an alternative, without a Public Option available to compete with them, and to illustrate JUST how bad their 'product'....in other words your health ....really is, this is just a boondoggle to benefit the Insurance Companies.

Without the Public Option to provide competition...and relief for increasing number of "low income" Americans, Congress hands the Insurance Companies exactly what they want.

And of course tyhe next step will be taking any 'reform' out of the bill that makes it affordable, especially to "low income" Americans.

The "Lower" Class and Lower Middle Class.

Not that they, or apparently Congress, gives a damn about the Lower and Lower Middle Class....they work for the Insurance Companies now, not us. Other than a few stalwarts, it has become painfully obvious whose side Congress is on on the Class War that is raging in America.

continued>>>

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/17/768191/-No-Public-Option-The...

toniD's Ya Think?

Ex-Goldman programmer eyes US dismissal;talks go on (stolen trading program worth billions)

EW YORK, Aug 17 (Reuters) - A federal judge has granted more time for the government to seek an indictment against or work out a settlement with a former Goldman Sachs Group Inc
(GS.N) programmer accused of stealing trade secrets, after the programmer's lawyer said she wants the case dismissed.

U.S. Magistrate Judge James Francis delayed further proceedings by 30 days until Sept. 16 to let the government and Sergey Aleynikov, the former programmer, continue talks.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Joseph Facciponti said talks to resolve the case have gone on from July 7 to as recently as Aug. 13, and that justice would be served by giving the parties
more time. Talks were previously extended on Aug. 3.

It is common for prosecutors to ask to extend a deadline for seeking an indictment while plea negotiations are taking place. The request does not mean a settlement is forthcoming.
Prosecutors have accused Aleynikov of downloading stolen Goldman proprietary code onto a home computer, a theft that could cost the Wall Street bank millions of dollars.

Aleynikov has told investigators that Goldman knew he had worked on the relevant code from home previously without complaint, and that he had no intent to steal.

http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN1733457320090817

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background:

July 7 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc. may lose its investment in a proprietary trading code and millions of dollars from increased competition if software allegedly stolen by a former employee gets into the wrong hands, a prosecutor said.

Sergey Aleynikov, a 39-year-old ex-Goldman Sachs computer programmer, was arrested July 3 after arriving at Liberty International Airport in Newark, New Jersey, U.S. officials said. Aleynikov, a citizen of America and Russia who joined the bank in 2007, is charged in a criminal complaint with stealing the trading software. Teza Technologies LLC, a Chicago-based firm co-founded by a former Citadel Investment Group LLC trader, said it suspended Aleynikov, who started there on July 2.

At a court appearance July 4 in Manhattan, Assistant U.S. Attorney Joseph Facciponti told a federal judge that Aleynikov’s alleged theft -- the largest breach at Goldman Sachs -- poses a risk to U.S. markets. Aleynikov transferred the code, worth millions of dollars, to a computer server in Germany, and others may have had access to it, Facciponti said, adding that New York-based Goldman Sachs may be harmed if the software is disseminated.

“The bank has raised the possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways,” Facciponti said, according to a recording of the hearing made public yesterday. “The copy in Germany is still out there, and we at this time do not know who else has access to it.”

Rapid-Fire Trading

About 28 percent of the shares traded in the U.S. during the fourth quarter were handled by automated brokerages using algorithms to generate rapid-fire trading strategies, according to estimates from NYSE Euronext, the world’s largest operator of stock exchanges. That’s up from 17 percent a year earlier, and almost three times larger than the portion of volume generated by individual investors, according to NYSE Euronext.

Goldman Sachs stands to lose if its trading technology leaks out, Facciponti told the judge.

“Once it is out there, anybody will be able to use this, and their market share will be adversely affected,” he said.

Michael DuVally, a spokesman for Goldman in New York, declined to comment. A person close to the bank said yesterday that the alleged theft wouldn’t hurt its business or customers.

...more...

$100 million per day?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axYw_ykTBokE

toniD's Ya Think?

AARP losing tens of thousands of members over support for health care overhaul

WASHINGTON (AP) — About 60,000 senior citizens have quit AARP since July 1 due to the group's support for a health care overhaul, a spokesman for the organization said Monday.

The membership loss suggests dissatisfaction on the part of AARP members at a time when many senior citizens are concerned about proposed cuts to Medicare providers to help pay for making health care available for all. But spokesman Drew Nannis said it wasn't unusual for the powerful, 40 million-strong senior citizens' lobby to shed members in droves when it's advocating on a controversial issue.

AARP is strongly backing a health care overhaul, running ads to support it and hosting President Barack Obama at an online forum recently to promote his agenda to AARP members. However, the group has not endorsed a specific bill and says it won't support a plan that reduces Medicare benefits.

"We take stands on issues that are contentious, it's part of what we do," Nannis said. "And because we have so many members we'll always have a small percentage that disagree with us so strongly they feel they need to cancel membership."

The approximately 60,000 number represents members who specifically cited AARP's stance on the health overhaul debate in canceling their membership between July 1 and mid-August, Nannis said. He said that on average AARP loses some 300,000 members a month, but he couldn't say how many more members had quit for other reasons in that time period.

He said AARP gained some 400,000 new members during the same period and that 1.5 million members renewed their membership.

The membership loss figure was first reported Monday by CBS News.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-us-health-overhaul-aa...

So the right wingers left AARP but what the MSM didn't report is that AARP got 400,000 new members.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still not sold on AARP because they offer United Health Care, but they are backing Health Care Reform and have lost the wingers because of it.

toniD's Ya Think?

Came to a very small opening of a neighborhood park last year. he is energetic,open and what we used to call a real democrat. He would make a great Senator or mayor for NY.

(And Colon Bowel is fronting for Bloomberg all day long in Bloomberg ads.)

Has Anthony Weiner on now!

toniD's Ya Think?

was a shill for the insurance industry before

but since they have be supportive of health care reform maybe they are a true AARP

They've been running an effective tv ad here with an ambulance being blocked in its progress by black cars w/ tinted windows.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Mandating purchase of insurance under penalty of law is quasi-totalitarian at best, without a public option, it is fascism in it's purest form, government requiring citizens, under penalty of law, to give money to corporations.

IMO if public option is a no go, they need to just forget the whole thing. Forget the coops and the mandate and strip the bill down to Insurance Regulation for preexisting conditions and some kind of rate regulation.

Then we could start the real push towards Single Payer by simply legislating the Medicare coverage ages, (up from the bottom, birth to 18 y/o, and down from the top, 55 and older), and those living below the poverty line, until eventually everybody is covered...which is how we should have did it any way, IMNSHO....

Just reported on the 60,000 loss of members from AARP. They also did not mention the 400,000 new members or the 1,5 million renewals.

toniD's Ya Think?

Oy!

Another problem is that many seniors, said Rep. John Tanner (D-Tenn.), don't seem to understand that Medicare basically is a government-run healthcare plan. The lawmaker's office has been fielding calls from older constituents who say: "I'm happy with Medicare. Don't let the government take it over."

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-health-seniors12-2009aug12,...

What if Democrats behaved more like Republicans? By Tom Tomorrow

Donut Disparaging Doctor Dumped

While visiting Israel, former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee bashed Obama’s policies on settlement construction. “It concerns me that some in the U.S. tell Israelis they can’t live where they want in their own country,” he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090817/wl_mcclatchy/3293735

toniD's Ya Think?

"All you left wing moonbat morons are going to be out of power soon. The nigger president has spent all his political capital on this socialism expeiment. You dumbfucks are DONE. Unless of course you are going to steal another election with the help of ACORN and SEIU."

Idiot nation.

"SLEEP TIGHT, BATSHIT."
-Bill Maher to 9/11 nut
www.sigzone.blogspot.com

I don't think I can keep up with the political scene this month. Too much crazy noise is out there.

I do know this however, if Democrats don't pass real health care reform they will never be taken seriously again. You can't promise health care reform for 80 years and be given a super majority in both houses and not get it done and keep any hint of credibility.

Covering All Americans and Providing Real Choices of Affordable Health Insurance Options. Families and individuals should have the option of keeping the coverage they have or choosing from a wide array of health insurance plans, including many private health insurance options and a public plan. - Democrats.org

So if you call yourself a Democrat - Ben Nelson, Kent Conrad, Ralm Emanuel, then you must press for health care that covers everyone in such a way that they can afford it.

I'm going to need all of my 2008 political contributions back from the various Democrats that I supported if the 2008 Democratic platform isn't executed as written. I was promised a public health care plan and you can't even get your members to honor that contract of trust. What good is sponsoring you guys, achieving a supermajority if your platform is a pile of goo? - Democrats.org/contact

Failure to execute the platform is the same thing as fraud.

The United States has two parties now--the Obama Party and the Fox Party. The Obama Party is larger, but it is unfocused and its troops are whiny. The Fox Party, which shows up en masse to harass politicians, is noisy and practiced in the art of simplistic obstruction. As the health-care debate rages, it's the Party of Sort-of-Maybe-Yes versus the Party of Hell No! The Yessers are more lackadaisical because they've forgotten the stakes--they've forgotten that this is the most important civil-rights bill in a generation, though it is rarely framed that way. more...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/212162

toniD's Ya Think?

Building block of life found on comet

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE57H02I20090818

By Steve Gorman

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The amino acid glycine, a fundamental building block of proteins, has been found in a comet for the first time, bolstering the theory that raw ingredients of life arrived on Earth from outer space, scientists said on Monday.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Sotomayor On Losing End In First Supreme Court Decision

WASHINGTON — Justice Sonia Sotomayor is getting into the swing of being a member of the Supreme Court.

Sotomayor made what appears to be her first public decision as a justice on Monday, voting unsuccessfully to delay the execution of an Ohio death row inmate.

She voted along with the court's liberal bloc – Justices John Paul Stevens, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer – to stop the execution of Jason Getsy, whose execution is Tuesday.

Getsy had asked the nation's high court Monday to allow him to challenge Ohio's lethal injection system as cruel and unusual punishment. The court's other five justices voted to deny the stay.

Getsy, 33, was sentenced to die for shooting 66-year-old Ann Serafino in 1995 in Hubbard, Ohio, near Youngstown.

The Supreme Court said Sotomayor did not participate in the court's other death penalty decision of the day: to order an evidentiary hearing for death row inmate Troy Davis, whose lawyers say they have evidence that he did not kill the off-duty police office for which he was condemned.

Sotomayor, 55, became the first Hispanic and third female justice in the court's 220-year history after taking an oath of office earlier this month from Chief Justice John Roberts.

She will sit in on her first Supreme Court hearing on a key campaign-finance case on Sept. 9. The new term doesn't formally kick off until Oct. 5.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/18/sotomayor-on-losing-end-i_n_261...

toniD's Ya Think?

"I'm going to need all of my 2008 political contributions back from the various Democrats that I supported if the 2008 Democratic platform isn't executed as written. "

What kind of fucking moron gives money to politicians anyway?

Better idea: paper machet Kermit the Frog

"SLEEP TIGHT, BATSHIT."
-Bill Maher to 9/11 nut
www.sigzone.blogspot.com

(from the dollar bills)

"SLEEP TIGHT, BATSHIT."
-Bill Maher to 9/11 nut
www.sigzone.blogspot.com

by Cenk Uygur

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-unbearable-weakness-o_b_261...

You can't really bitch if you are not impacting the system. You are just a parasite.

Anthracene and pyrene too. Every galaxy observed is awash in organic building blocks. That evidence corroborates observations everywhere. - NS

or paper mache to be less gay and French.

Never has a t.

Resume breakdown.

Submitted by Fernando on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 10:28am.

The delusion that a common persom can affect change in American politics is equivalent to betting that the house will lose money at a Vegas casino...
But hey, some people would do it...
Do you know who owns the casino? The game is rigged. You. Don't. Matter.

probably never will... I've "preached" this philosophy for a long time. You guys thought you were going to get even moderate reforms from people who were beholden to the cause of the problem.

"SLEEP TIGHT, BATSHIT."
-Bill Maher to 9/11 nut
www.sigzone.blogspot.com

Submitted by Fernando on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 11:51pm.
I know I've saved more time and money by spending the time to triple check it and then corroborate it with an alternate sources of information. That takes time but it's worth it.
---------
Your observation is true for me, too: Define the problem, look for existing (proved) solutions to the problem, then measure twice, cut once.

The process is a little different with repetitive tasks. One still must know the problem and its solution but when the next process, which is a repetitive task in this case, is under way, two things happen. The first is a little experimentation with faster and safer ways to perform the repetitive task. The second is a sense of confidence with the process of the repetitive task because of experience attained during the initial repetitions.

At that point, one can continuously reduce the time/motion ratio so as to get the mind-numbing sumbitch finished as soon as possible. It is a time for manic autopilot to do the flying.

Identifying the problem and the solution is no less important in these cases. More than once I've blown the problem/solution portion of the project only to rapidly produce a pile of precisely useless junk. Just as bad, I've produced a pile of product only to have idiots screw it up after they were in possession of the product.

Years ago, a contractor contacted our company while the contractor was rehabbing a resort. He was building a performance stage, among many other projects, and he had purchased dried hardwood for the floor. He wanted us to mill it into tongue-and-groove hardwood flooring that would be clear-coated after it was laid.

When it arrived, it was random-width, random-length and random-thickness planks. We knew that the lengths and thicknesses would be varied but the random-width problem was unknown until the truck arrived with the material. It varied from very narrow to very wide. If there had been much more material than stage area, it wouldn't have been a problem but the contractor had purchased square footage only slightly greater than the area of the stage.

The narrow widths had to be included in the finished square footage but continuing to mill the wide boards into the same narrow size would produce too much waste and too little flooring to cover the stage.

After much examination, measuring, calculating and swearing, we determined that four different finish widths could be milled to successfully cover the floor area. We informed the contractor (before milling commenced) that he would be required to mix courses of widths during installation. He was thrilled with our solution to the problem.

When the milled material arrived on his work site, he instructed his crew and then left them to do the work.

They installed the widest planks at the front of the stage, then the next widest, then the next, with the narrowest flooring at the back of the stage.

From the point of view of the audience, the stage looked like an Escher painting. When performers moved toward the back of the stage, they seemed to grow into giants.

(The best laid stage plans of mice and men often go awry.)

Yes M. You are stupid, and a loser, and your opinion is of no consequence. Never has.

That's why you schlep your stupid blog on Sam's site while begging people to read your stupid rants and still, nobody goes.

Submitted by Fernando on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 10:37am.

You're one of those 9/11 geniuses, right? And you were probably one of the people who thought the gov would go for a single payer system, right? Or maybe you donated money to political figures because you thought they would care about you later....

As far as I see it the cognitive scoreboard has me at 100 and you at 0.

Please... take a three pointer, Bird. I won't guard ya. I believe in mercy.

"SLEEP TIGHT, BATSHIT."
-Bill Maher to 9/11 nut
www.sigzone.blogspot.com

Unlike you, I have to do a job in a few mins, so take that shot, buddy. Dazzle me.

4...3....2....

"SLEEP TIGHT, BATSHIT."
-Bill Maher to 9/11 nut
www.sigzone.blogspot.com

You don't deserve or get any more of my attention.

we do live in interesting times, don't we?

Submitted by jbenet on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 10:20am.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycine

A little early for science class but I thought Nando and jbenet might appreciate this info on building blocks

The detection of glycine in the interstellar medium has been debated.[14] In 2008, the glycine like molecule amino acetonitrile was discovered in the Large Molecule Heimat, a giant gas cloud near the galactic center in the constellation Sagittarius by the Max Planck Institute for Radio Astronomy [15] Glycine was detected on comet Wild 2 by the NASA spacecraft Stardust, bolstering the theory that raw ingredients of life arrived on Earth from outer space.[16]

Only in your own mind Michael!

Do you have a lot of mirrors in your home?

toniD's Ya Think?

papier màché
Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 10:32am.
or paper mache to be less gay and French.
Never has a t.
Resume breakdown.
------
Perhaps he was referring to a large paper knife with which to dispatch Kermit the Frog?

http://www.answers.com/topic/matchet

machet:

Meaning #1: a large heavy knife used in Central and South America as a weapon or for cutting vegetation

Synonyms: machete, panga

There is a vast Centrist conspiracy behind this blog.

It begins with Alice or it's Kevin's doing. Not sure which.

Submitted by Alice on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 1:12am.

this is under the radar.... Bloomberg is a liar.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/nyregion/15authorities.html?_r=1&scp=2... york

in BloggingHeads opinion piece - NYT

Takes a while to load.

its a form of anarchy...

Did you see this? - FDL

Given my adds, I get almost as much news there as Toni gives here.

Plus Sam is neglecting his children.

Jane and her team are something else! Thanks goodness there is someone like her with her organizing skills to get this all together.

You know the old sayings: "Talk is Cheap and actions speak louder than words".

And that's her!

toniD's Ya Think?

Submitted by nightbird on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 11:06am.

this is under the radar.... Bloomberg is a liar.

I get a VERY BAD feeling more and more about Bloomberg. I feel that he is waiting for a race riot following the removal of The president. he aligns himself with the most disgusting allies.

Please be careful Mr. president!

Sleep Apnea Raises Risk of Death, Especially for Men: Report

Atlanta Journal Constitution - ‎1 hour ago‎

TUESDAY, Aug. 18 (HealthDay News) -- The classic manifestations of sleep apnea -- loud snoring, interrupted breathing and sleep disruption -- nearly double the risk for chronic disease and premature death among middle-aged and elderly men...
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"Snork!"

I have a Facebook page I don't use. I blog here purely to support Sam's work on the left. He puts his family through some real crap to help inform and motivate reform. I feel like I owe him my support.

http://www.papercraftmuseum.com/jasons-axe-and-machete/

(If you want to download and view the paper model, it's in PDO format and you'll need the (free) Pepakura Viewer here: http://www.tamasoft.co.jp/pepakura-en/download/viewer.html.)

So I'm making blueberry muffins.

BBL

toniD's Ya Think?

Sam Seder blog is a northern conspiracy to promote freedom from the corporate controlled facebook

http://www.samsedershow.com/comment/reply/5121#comment-form

Submitted by taozen on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 11:31am.
---------
Inyourfacebook: A meeting place for belligerents.

do you share? I love the blueberries!!!!!

yes, Bloomberg is a first crass opportunist.

Building block of life found on comet
Submitted by jbenet on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 10:20am.
==
because it was part of the physical sample was brought back. A physical sample. They went out there and brought it back.
==
good one cb
nando, in your travels have you seen the new cowboys stadium and specifically the sculpture garden 'calum moore' next to it?

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

I haven't had much desire to see that stadium. It represents a lot of sins which made it possible. I have a degree in architectural engineering so it is of great interest and I have a couple of friends asking me to go. I'll look for the sculpture garden if I do.

You can see it from the Titan rollercoaster at six flags next to it. It sticks out like a giant mountain jutting out of the middle of metropolitan sprawl.

BOB NOVAK HAS LEFT THE BUILDING

New thread
http://www.samsedershow.com/comment/reply/5121#comment-form

right wingnuts, taozen

"coops" are capitulation. They do not/will not work. HR 676 - Single Payer. Period.

http://www.samsedershow.com/comment/reply/5121#comment-form

if I heard correctly - that sponsors are abandoning Glenn Blecch. (um Beck, if ya didn't get it).

http://www.ci.arlington.tx.us/publicart/caelummoor.html
The Latin name “Caelum” is derived from a constellation in the southern skies known as the sculptor’s tool or chisel. “Moor” refers to the windswept landscapes of Scotland. The celtic names of each of the five groupings reflect the ancestry of the sculptor’s patron.

http://www.ci.arlington.tx.us/news/2009/archive_0609_08.html

yes i have a connection -- I know the sculptor. Norman Hines

Five freestanding granite sculptures weighing a total of 540 tons will enhance the environmental landscape along Johnson Creek in Arlington’s Entertainment District.
Tuesday, June 30, Ark Contracting Services will begin installing the 22 pink granite stones that comprise the sculpture known as Caelum Moor. The installation will be in Richard Greene Linear Park located at 1601 E. Randol Mill Road adjacent to the Rangers Ballpark in Arlington and Cowboys Stadium. The stone monuments range in height from 8 to 30 feet.

http://www.arlingtontx.gov/articles/2009/articles_0609_18.html

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
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