Bye Bayh

Cue "Dems are fucked" hyperventilation in 3...2...1..

If all the hair-pulling about Bayh being a corporate douche was genuine, then this should be a good thing. Throw the corrupt bums out, and such! And if a Republican takes his place, at least we'll know our enemy, etc.

Here's an opportunity for Progressives to shine and prove they can provide a strong, honest populist candidate who can run an unbought grassroots campaign and win a Democratic or, even better, Third Party primary in a Red state rife with screeching Tea Partiers.

I can't wait to see who they pick! It's close enough for me to volunteer. I'd drive over in a heartbeat if she or he is worth it and hey it shouldn't be hard to get John Mellencamp to donate a concert or two.

(not holding my breath)

"this machine kills fascists"

I'll take both for 200, Sam.

...and, for the record, that was a challenge to both the Dems and Progressives

(still not holding my breath)

"this machine kills fascists"

the main difference between a dem, a liberal and a progressive?

Is a juicy incentive for Progressives to force a populist in there while the Party leaders are busy whining and before their machine plucks another ConservaDem from the mill!

"this machine kills fascists"

I know this is going to sound insane, but look at the reason Bayh is giving for leaving office....very populist...and anti incumbent...

why risk burning bridges like that, especially if you are going to need your connections in the senate for things like getting projects funded...?

Remember who the front runner was for Hilary's veep?

Clinton is currently in the premium position to pit herself against Obama on foreign policy and play her hawkishness against one of the rights main myths about Obama, soft on international terrorism...

this is still half baked and cooking under my tinfoil hat, but it is at least plausible...the tell will be if Hilary starts pushing openly against Obama's foreign policy in a big way.....

...and look at the date of the announcement...Presidents Day.... BOO!!!

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Submitted by Cat Chew on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 10:01am.
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That is similar to the problem I mentioned earlier when one is zesting enough lemons to get a pound or two of zest. What to do with all the left over lemons.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

And nothing happens...

No one can tell them apart...

liberals and progressives are to the left of dems, some dems claim to be liberal and progressive

right now there is no real liberal or progressive party. there is a fairly liberal wing of the democratic party.

I think the green party probably arose out of the need for a real progressive and liberal party.

I think the fundamental value of you label is how your views on wealth distribution

Democrats are like eunuchs and Progressives are like Gladiators and liberals are, like, proud, or something...

...and Anarchists are the one throwing peace rocks...

"this machine kills fascists"

Imagine a slave labor camp in a town.

A progressive would do everything in her or his power to abolish the camp and set free the slaves.

A liberal would struggle to ensure that the inmates in the camp have a gymnasium and a decent coffee shop in order to make their lives better.

A dem would campaign to get elected administrator of the camp, on the enlightened ticket.

I posted something about Feral Dogs a few threads back.
Did u ever see it???

Ha! That was great lol

Listen to the music, it's empowering, it comes from the gut. If you can see it in your mind's eye, all the students are on stage and the stage lights are at their peak {this show is all about lighting] and the energy is just blasting out at the audience.

and the answer is->

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

Main Entry: dem·o·crat
Pronunciation: \ˈde-mə-ˌkrat\
Function: noun
Date: 1789

1 a : an adherent of democracy b : one who practices social equality
2 capitalized : a member of the Democratic party of the United States

Main Entry: 1lib·er·al
Pronunciation: \ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lēodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free
Date: 14th century

1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a : marked by generosity : openhanded b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way c : ample, full
3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
4 : not literal or strict : loose
5 : broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

— lib·er·al·ness noun
synonyms liberal, generous, bountiful, munificent mean giving or given freely and unstintingly. liberal suggests openhandedness in the giver and largeness in the thing or amount given . generous stresses warmhearted readiness to give more than size or importance of the gift . bountiful suggests lavish, unremitting giving or providing . munificent suggests a scale of giving appropriate to lords or princes .

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/

Here, this is for you. :)

She's letting me feed her now...I can pet her when she's playing with the others but I can't approach her directly, though...she's cautious, still...a sweetie, though. :) I have to get to the point where she'll allow a collar and leash...that seems like such a long way off *sigh*

"this machine kills fascists"

I have to call the county assessor. This f*(&^*& sux. :/

or no? Leah.

...has his sights set on the top of the ticket...it seems only natural for an idiotic, delusional, corrupt ConservaDem with 13 mil in the bank.

"this machine kills fascists"

Guess which one I identify with.

*

Revolutionary Socialist.
(Does that make me a progressive?)
Oyf Eybik Yung

when you look at the proposed budget:

its pretty clear that medicare and social security are a real big part of it, or are they?

last i recall, we all pay a seperate social security and medicare tax. i wonder how big those pie slices are if you reduce them by the targeted tax. next if you take the cap off the contribution, what happens.

its also not clear that the budget accounts for all the expenditures. why aren't the wars listed as seperate items?

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then you read something like this:

During FY 2009, the federal government collected approximately $2.1 trillion in tax revenue. Primary receipt categories included individual income taxes (43%), Social Security/Social Insurance taxes (42%), and corporate taxes (7%).

it should be pretty obvious that corporations aren't paying their fair share.

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Cha Ching !

Maybe I should start a Agnostic one ? ;)

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MMRules

yeah, he does have a lot of that Indiana Dan Quayle, the guy who took his fathers Senate seat, about him, doesn't he...

Maybe you are right. If he manages to distance himself from the dems, and hooks up with the teabaggers, he could be trouble....they are looking to dump the Repubs and he might be just be conservative/religious/white enough (in a cheezy benign kind of midwestern way) to fit their bill....

definitely bears watching...

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

MMRules

The FDL/Kos crew should pick an IN Progressive populist they can back, throw money at him and buy ad time within the next week. Get them out there railing against Banksters, Insurance companies, war fatigue and the administration's not doing enough for the working class and run that shit up the flag pole.

It's fucking Indiana. All bets are off, nothing to lose!

"this machine kills fascists"

thinking about the ass burgers post yesterday...

what a way to go through life...

Definitely entertaining, but I imagine it would probably drive me crazy after awhile.

"[teabaggers] are looking to dump the Repubs"

Yeah, they just might be looking to dump the party, considering that 'baggas fear allegiance to a "leader" vs. the oh so organic Tea Party good(mad)ness...

I don't see the G.O.P. letting that happen, though.

the "Tea Party" brand is gold!

Just a Hunch!

via Rachel's twitter feed

"this machine kills fascists"

Wants to run for Governor in Indiana, then run for President in 2016.

Possibly change party. Long shot but possible.

I don't think Hillary will run for prez. She can't run against Obama in 12 and still be Sec of State although she could resign, but I doubt it.

I also think people will have second thoughts about him. Even though he fulfilled his term, he will be labeled a quitter. The people will want to know why he would not fight for them in the Senate.

Obama could turn it around and could get someone to run but he has to become very populist and demand that the Senate change the Finance laws, change trade policies so people don't lose jobs to outsourcing, and pressing Congress for a strong Labor Relations bill. Indiana lost alot of jobs to outsourcing and they want to see action to help bring jobs back.

toniD's Ya Think?

Burning Down The House

Hotline says filing deadling for Indiana Senate election is... tomorrow.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/02/bayh_to_retire...

Hope all the people who gave him money for his re-election campaign are happy.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/02/evan-bayh-to-retire.p...

-Atrios 11:24

toniD's Ya Think?

can he take money raised for the general election for a federal office and transfer it to state coffers? If not, he has to start from scratch, no?

"this machine kills fascists"

WHAT BAYH IS THINKING.... Sen. Evan Bayh's (D-Ind.) retirement is a shocker, leading many to wonder what on earth a popular incumbent with plenty of money and a big lead in the polls is thinking. Bayh alluded to his frustrations on the Hill as part of his rationale.

"Two weeks ago, the Senate voted down a bipartisan commission to deal with one of the greatest threats facing our nation: our exploding deficits and debt. The measure would have passed, but seven members who had endorsed the idea instead voted 'no' for short-term political reasons," he said. "Just last week, a major piece of legislation to create jobs -- the public's top priority -- fell apart amid complaints from both the left and right. All of this and much more has led me to believe that there are better ways to serve my fellow citizens, my beloved state4 [sic] and our nation than continued service in Congress."

This sounds a bit like Bill Bradley's rationale in 1996 -- politics on Capitol Hill has become ugly and difficult, so I'm walking away.

But it's not exactly a compelling explanation. To hear Evan Bayh tell it, Republicans have made it impossible for Congress to work on issues important to him ... so he's decided to make it easier for the Republican caucus to have more power.

When the going gets tough, the conserva-Dems pack up and go home?

What's more, while I'm hardly familiar with Indiana's election procedures, reliable sources report that the filing deadline for candidates interested in the Senate race is this week, meaning Dems will have to scramble. If these reports are accurate, it would appear Bayh is hurting Democrats twice -- once by walking away when they need his vote, and again by making it extremely difficult for the party to find, recruit, and qualify a top-tier candidate to run in his stead.

For what it's worth, a great deal of the early talk -- and by "early," I mean "the last hour" -- is about the DSCC recruiting Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D), a Blue Dog and former county police sheriff from Indiana's Southwest corner.

Stay tuned.

Update: It appears that the signatures for a prospective candidate are due tomorrow, and it's extremely unlikely any Dem could pull this off in time. What's more likely, then, is that the Indiana Democratic Party will be responsible for selecting a candidate -- there would be no primary.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_02/022412.php

toniD's Ya Think?

http://tamyraforsenate.com/

Another Dem Already In Race For Bayh's Seat -- But Doesn't Have The Needed Signatures Yet

Here's your chance FDL!

"this machine kills fascists"

Don’t Let the Door Hit You in the Ass on the Way Out, Evan
By: Blue Texan Monday February 15, 2010 10:30 am

Here’s Steve Benen on Bayh’s weak ass excuse for quitting.

To hear Evan Bayh tell it, Republicans have made it impossible for Congress to work on issues important to him … so he’s decided to make it easier for the Republican caucus to have more power.

When the going gets tough, the conserva-Dems pack up and go home?

Pretty much. Except they “pack up and go home” while blaming both “left and right” and in a manner that screws the Democratic Party.

Why are people surprised? Let’s not forget who this guy is.

Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), who is now being mentioned as a strong candidate for Sen. Barack Obama’s running mate, co-sponsored the 2003 resolution authorizing the Iraq war.

Bayh not only voted for the war and embraced its neo-conservative rationale by chairing the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, as a New York Times profile noted this week. He went further, taking the single most aggressive, pro-war position possible. The few Democratic co-sponsors of the White House Iraq resolution provide context for the kind of senators who shared Bayh’s position at the time — they include Joseph I. Lieberman (Conn), Zell Miller (Ga.) and John Breaux (La.).

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

http://firedoglake.com/2010/02/15/dont-let-the-door-hit-you-in-the-ass-o...

toniD's Ya Think?

From NBC's Ken Strickland
When President Obama addressed Senate Democrats at their policy retreat earlier this month, Sen. Evan Bayh asked Obama if Democrats can really be trusted to tackle the nation's fiscal problems. Was Bayh expressing frustration then that may have led in part to today's announcement?

He posed his question in a way "that I think is on the minds of people in my state, and perhaps in the minds of independents and moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats around the country?"

"I think many people across the country candidly look at us and say, 'I don't know if the Democrats are willing to take this on.' They think we want to tax too much and spend too much, and do we have the backbone to really stand up and make some of these hard decisions?"

Bayh credited Obama for taking some tough steps like freezing non-security discretionary spending and restraint on earmarks. "That's not always popular among our group, but to your credit, you've called for those things," Bayh said.

He ended his question specifically asking about trust: Did Americans really trust Democrats to get the country's fiscal house in order?

"So my question to you, Mr. President, is speaking to independents, conservative Democrats, moderate Republicans -- people who know we have to do this -- why should the Democratic Party be trusted?" Bayh asked. "And are we willing to make some of the tough decisions to actually head this country in a better direction?"

Obama's initial response: "Well, I'll tell you why the Democratic Party should be trusted -- because the last time this budget was balanced, it was under a Democratic President who made some very tough decisions."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/02/15/2202337.aspx

toniD's Ya Think?

:)

http://tamyraforsenate.com/

Poverty

Poverty is a huge issue I hold close to my heart. One third of Hoosiers live in poverty. In some pockets the rate of poverty is even higher. In Bloomington, Indiana, where I live, 41.6% of people live in poverty. I created www.thepoorclub.org to address the problems caused by privatization of services to poor Hoosiers. We must create and strengthen programs for job creation, low income housing, and legal and medical services to the poor.

couldn't agree more...a party change for this guy would amount to nothing more than changing the logo on his business cards...

wracking my brains 60th...can't come up with anyone even close to progressive who could try for that seat....besides, after reading toni's post, it looks like the fix is in...

Indiana Democrats should raise hell over this...maybe even get a fraud investigation started against Bayh...something is definitely not right here....

Don't know exactly what you can do with the campaign coffers but would think he's have to return the money if he intended to run for Governor or not run at all. That would be his Senate re-election monies. I think he has to use up the other money by giving it to the party or another Dem candidate.

May be good to find out those rules of campaign funds and how they can be used.

toniD's Ya Think?

The next best thing to pet salvation in a Post Rapture World
http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/

Someone else who has given some thought to the matter:
http://www.postrapturepets.com/Planning.html

A new internet service allows Christian subscribers to send emails to non-believing friends and relatives after they have died.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2113013/Christia...

My cats have been saved, though it was devilishly hard to get 'em in the baptismal font.

Late addition: Kitty Stairway to Heaven

Sorry for my negativity yesterday.
I was promised donuts.
Did not get.
:(

Saying Washington is broken and getting a few shout-outs from the Broder gang is almost de rigueur for middle of the road senators, especially Democrats, when they retire. And it's hard to disagree with the judgment in general. Watching what's happened over the last year it's hard not to believe that something is fundamentally off-kilter in our national government -- just not, I think, what Bayh thinks it is. I think the most generous read of Bayh's decision is simply that he was bored. He just said that his decision was in part because he was "an executive at heart," which is probably a very honest explanation. He just preferred being governor. And that's fine. It's another way of saying he was bored.

But let's not paper over the fact that he says our national government is broken. And his decision is to walk away.

--Josh Marshall

"And his decision is to walk away."

Another Palin? Walking away from a problem?

I mentioned this up blog. He would be labeled a quitter.

toniD's Ya Think?

I dunno, Toni's post said:

"Update: It appears that the signatures for a prospective candidate are due tomorrow, and it's extremely unlikely any Dem could pull this off in time. What's more likely, then, is that the Indiana Democratic Party will be responsible for selecting a candidate -- there would be no primary."

The article I posted from TPM said:

"D'Ippolito said she is about 1,000 signatures short of the overall goal of 4,500, and is especially short in the 8th Congressional District, the area represented by Democrat Brad Ellsworth. Ideally she would like to get a few thousand more than the 4,500, in order to avoid missing out because of individual signatures getting disqualified over the errors that can pop up in this process."

1000-3000 signatures in 24 hours, in a tro da bumbs out climate?

sounds like a cakewalk...force the primary!

"this machine kills fascists"

so let the Conservadems shoot themselves and maybe just maybe people with a spine will stand up and get things done instead of dithering and playing with people's lives while their own lives are just fine.

Ouch! Bayh Called Obama But Not Harry Reid
Christina Bellantoni | February 15, 2010, 12:54PM

The news about Sen. Evan Bayh opting not to seek reelection had been out for an hour before Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid heard from him.

As we reported earlier, Bayh (D-IN) phoned President Obama this morning about his decision.

But an aide to Reid tells us that Bayh called the majority leader at about 11:45 a.m. to let him know.

During his 2 p.m. press conference Bayh will say that partisan gridlock in Washington is one reason he's bowing out.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/ouch-bayh-called-obama-but-no...

toniD's Ya Think?

It's Too Haaard

I'm glad these guys weren't in charge during the Depression and WWII. We'd all be dirt farming for the Greater Axis Empire today.

More on Bayh Decision

I've been talking to people in the Bayh operation. And there seems little doubt that this came as a very big surprise to almost everyone on Bayh's campaign and senate staffs. There had been some rumors Bayh would pack it in a few months ago. But I'm told that the impression as late as the end of last week that everything was full-speed ahead for reelection was not just something people on the outside thought. That's how it looked to almost everyone on the inside too. One source tells me, "from what staff/campaign staff knew, it was full steam ahead. Bayh was doing everything someone who was running hard for re-election would be doing. That very effective attack on Coats was largely from the DSCC, but Bayh people were involved and active. Bayh had recently picked someone to manage his race, ads were in the works, etc."

If you're in Bayh-land and have more to share, drop me a line at our comments line. Anonymity guaranteed.

--Josh Marshall

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/02/more_on_bayh_decision.php?ref=fpblg

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Senate Candidate Tamyra D’Ippolito: “Politics in Indiana is the Old Boy’s School."

Tamyra d’Ippolito: a last minute push to replace Evan Bayh with a real Democrat

If they get her on..I'm gonna be spending a some time in Indiana over the next few months!

"this machine kills fascists"

Suitability Index = Reliability Index * (100 - Rapture Index)

Religion-Rapture Index-Reliability Index-Comments

Atheist-0-90-Not going to be Raptured. Will probably think the whole thing is an alien abduction. Ask to see PETA membership card.

Buddhist-0-30-Many Buddhists are Asian and could
consider dogs/cats to be 'game' [i.e. food]

Hindu-0-90-Unlikely to eat pet. It could be their
reincarnated uncle.

Mormon-20-70-'Extended Family' makes pet care easy!

Catholic-30-70-Guilt based reliability. Won't be Raptured unless Pope says it's okay.

Jewish-0/50-80-First number is for Reform Jews. Second is for Orthodox. Both have practiced 'guilt based' reliability for thousands of years longer than Catholic.

Baptist-60-60-Probably will get Raptured and probably would take care of your pet.

First Baptist-70-5-More likely to be Raptured. May accidentally drown pet at mass baptism.

Southern Baptist-80-4-Pretty likely to be Raptured. Will write strong letter to congressman if not. Could take frustration out on pet.

Pentecostal-90/100-30/0/100-First number is standard
Pentecostal. Second is for snake handling version. The third number is for if your pet is a snake, and they are snake handlers.

Satanist-0-0-Not going to be Raptured under any
circumstances. Will be very busy with 'Tribulation' parties. You probably don't want your pet going to one of those.
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[could that be what the Idaho church was doing attempting to get those kids out of Haiti. Getting future pet sitters? Voodoo is'nt defined in the index.]
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Former Dem Governor Douglas Wilder: Democrats ‘Whistling by Their Graveyard’; Time for White House Political Shake-Up

ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: Former Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, D-Va., was an early supporter of President Obama -- and something of a trailblazer for him, as the nation’s first elected African-American governor.

Now, the 79-year-old Wilder is leading efforts to sound alarm bells about the state of the Democratic Party.

On ABC’s “Top Line” today, Wilder told us that the Obama White House still seems not to get how toxic the political environment is this year -- or how drastic the steps that need to be taken to change that are.

(Video at link)

“I think the problem that we have is that some people have been whistling by their graveyard, as if nothing is going on -- ‘Well, everything is fine,’ ” Wilder, who served as Virginia’s governor from 1990-1994, told me and ABC’s Jonathan Karl.

“And they keep talking about the president’s personal popularity. And we see in recent polls coming out in the last several days to show that that might not be the case. And so I think it’s anybody’s guess as to how bad it could be in terms of the House being taken over, in terms of the Senate even now.”

Wilder last week called for DNC Chairman Tim Kaine -- a fellow former Virginia governor -- to leave his post in the wake of a string of electoral setbacks.

He told us that, aside from replacing Kaine, the president needs to widen the circle of advisers he listens to.

“Why the people around the president -- if they’re advising him to stick with health care, stay with health care, give the kinds of monies for the stimulus package that were given with no strings attached, and then to come back and say ‘well, we’re going to get on jobs,’ – but when?” Wilder said. “And the confidence of the American people is dwindling on a steady basis.”

He continued: “Do you need to listen to other people? Do you need to reach out to other people who’ve had some experience in governing, rather than getting elected? He had the most brilliant team to assemble to get him elected. The question is: are these people capable of governance?”

Said Wilder: “I know that most of the American people want to see him do well. But you can’t do well the way you have been continuing. You’ve got to stop that and get a different direction.”

On Sen.Evan Bayh's surprise decision to retire rather than seek another term in 2010, Wilder said: “Wow… For the Democrats to lose him it’s big, big, big!”

Republicans, he said, are likely to make “substantial gains” in both the House and the Senate.

Wilder also pointed out that, even if Democrats do retain control of the Senate, they’re likely to have a considerably narrower majority than the one that’s produced so much frustration this year: “Let’s assume this -- if you can’t do it with 60 votes, and if you can’t do it with 59 votes, a single reduction will bring about a great deal of difficulty.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/02/former-dem-governor-douglas-wil...

Watch our full discussion with Wilder HERE.
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=9842745

toniD's Ya Think?

Mike Pence declines again on Evan Bayh seat

House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence (R-Ind.) is out again.

After saying he was not running for Evan Bayh’s Senate seat a few weeks ago, Pence was beginning to reconsider with Bayh’s surprising retirement announcement Monday. But now Pence is out for good, even though the seat is now one of the strongest candidates for a Republican takeover.

After consulting with his political staff Pence announced Monday afternoon – for the second time this political season – that he is staying in the House.

There were several factors that Pence weighed in his potential run. First, he had already passed on the opportunity to run last month, citing the GOP's strong position in the House. Further, he's considered among the strongest candidates for governor of Indiana in 2012. Plus, Pence would need to gain thousands signatures by noon tomorrow for the Republican primary.

Privately, aides to Pence say he was also concerned about Bayh's $13 million in the bank, but now Pence is going to hope for a Republican takeover in the House, which could propel him into a top leadership position in that chamber. And then he could still run for governor in 2012.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32973.html

toniD's Ya Think?

Five Million Workers to Exhaust Unemployment Benefits by June

Back in December, the qualification dates for existing tiers of unemployment benefits were extended for an additional two months. Time is up at the end of February.

Now another extension is needed or millions of workers will lose benefits over the next few months.

The National Employment Law Project (NELP) released a new report last week showing that ...

1.2 million jobless workers will become ineligible for federal unemployment benefits in March unless Congress extends the unemployment safety net programs from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA). By June, this number will swell to nearly 5 million unemployed workers nationally who will be left without any jobless benefits.
...
Currently, 5.6 million people are accessing one of the federal extensions (34-53 weeks of Emergency Unemployment Compensation; 13-20 weeks of Extended Benefits, a program normally funded 50 percent by the states).

This table shows the NELP's projections:

Of the almost 1.2 million workers facing a cut off of benefits in March alone:

# 380,000 workers will exhaust their 26 weeks of state benefits without accessing the temporary EUC extension program or the permanent federal program of Extended Benefits.

# Another 814,000 workers will not be eligible to continue receiving EUC past their current tier of benefits.

more and more graphs here:

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/02/five-million-workers-to-exhaus...

toniD's Ya Think?

Ken Starr named Baylor University President

Source: Waco Tribune Herald

Kenneth W. Starr, the former independent counsel whose work led to the impeachment of then-President Bill Clinton, was named president of Baylor University this morning, sources said.

The 63-year-old Starr, who has been dean of Pepperdine University’s School of Law in Malibu, Calif. since April, 2004 will become Baylor’s 14th president.

Starr’s appointment as president of Baylor brings a nationally known, but highly controversial figure to the Waco campus at a time of prolonged and occasionally tumultuous transition from a teaching school to one focused on research and the pursuit of a top-tier ranking among colleges nationally. It ends a nearly 20-month-long search that began when former Baylor President John M. Lilley was fired in July of 2008.

Starr will always be recognized as the dogged independent prosecutor who relentlessly pursued Clinton’s role in a land deal called Whitewater and the president’s affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. But he brings to Baylor a deep resume filled with roles in public service that go back three decades, as well as a Rolodex filled with national contacts that may serve him well in the key areas of academia and fund-raising.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/breakingnews/Sources-Starr-to-be-named-Bayl...

toniD's Ya Think?

There has been a dramtic increase among Apple I Phone users and is it now included under the umbrella of Autistic Spectrum Disorders.
.

The American Psychiatric Association, with its release this week of proposed revisions to its authoritative Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, is recommending that Asperger’s be dropped. If this revision is adopted, the condition will be folded into the category of “autism spectrum disorder,” which will no longer contain any categories for distinct subtypes of autism like Asperger’s and “pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified” (a category for children with some traits of autism but not enough to warrant a diagnosis).

The change is welcome, because careful study of people with Asperger’s has demonstrated that the diagnosis is misleading and invalid, and there are clear benefits to understanding autism as one condition that runs along a spectrum.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/10/opinion/10grinker.html

He is claiming that he is leaving out of frustration over partisan politics, yet he was one of the Blue Dogs who said he wanted it his way or no way at all.

Ingeteam, a Spanish manufacturer of wind-turbine generators, will locate its new factory in the Menomonee Valley, Gale Klappa, co-chairman of the Milwaukee 7 economic development coalition, announced Monday.

The plant will create about 270 jobs, said Julia Taylor, president of the Greater Milwaukee Committee.

Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, also a Milwaukee 7 co-chairman, said the plant will be located near the western end of the valley. The exact site will be announced Tuesday, said Patrick Curley, Barrett's chief of staff.

Ingeteam chose the valley because of its proximity to workers, I-94 and Spanish-speaking neighborhoods, as well as Milwaukee's "great reputation for manufacturing," Barrett said. This will be Ingeteam's first manufacturing facility in North America, Klappa said.

Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/business/84382807.html

If you're a billionaire, this is a great time to die. Tax wise, at least.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/money-for-nothing-congress-awol-on-the-...

(via Markos/Twitter)

Could someone give me a clear definition of
new
Submitted by Alice on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 12:09pm.
the main difference between a dem, a liberal and a progressive?

» ======================================

These are the definitions I am making up in an effort to bring clarity about what I am seeing.

A Progressive is the vanguard of change, working to communicate ideas for making social/economic/ecological existence better, more fair, closer to an ideal goal.

A Liberal accepts the Progressive's ideas or at least some of them and is willing to incorporate them in his/her worldview, actions, voting choices, etc.

The Dem is an idea sold by the Political Establishment, its marketed benefits include support for certain ideas put forward by Progressives and accepted by Liberals. A Dem is also a sort of political opportunist who is willing to either 1) run with some of these ideas for a number of reasons that reflect personal choices of each separate Dem, or 2) FAKE running with Progressive Ideas and a Liberal Worldview.

At this time, I'd say Barack Obomber is a 2) Dem who co-opted the CHANGE meme of Progressives and now thumbs his nose at ACTIVE Progressive concerns!

Now I'd say Howard Dean is a Liberal.

And Ralph Nader is a Progressive.

And Dianne Fienstein? A sewer dweller.

Ken Starr named Baylor
Submitted by toniD on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 3:51pm.
Ken Starr named Baylor University President

Source: Waco Tribune Herald

...

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Ick. This reminds me of when the University of California allowed Micheal Milken to teach finance classes.

Have a great evening!

Later

toniD's Ya Think?

The desperation of many Americans will parallel the desperation of Haiti's compounded poverty+quake victims if Obama doesn't put forward a Government JOBS PROGRAM now. What is he waiting for? And why is he waiting for it?

I'm surprised people don't see this coming. So what if there are two or three more extensions of unemployment benefits; such stop-gap measures are meaningless if there are no jobs for them to transition into. AND THERE ARE NO JOBS FOR THEM TO TRANSITION INTO BECAUSE THE FEDS (the Feds are the ones with most of our tax money, remember!) ARE NOT MAKING ANY JOBS PROGRAMS!

Submitted by Cat Chew on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 4:03pm.
The American Psychiatric Association, with its release this week of proposed revisions to its authoritative Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, is recommending that Asperger’s be dropped...
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Casting Asperger Aspersions

The American Psychiatric Association was named defendant in a suit filed by the estate of Hans Asperger in Vienna today. "They have sullied my father's name," said Weldon Asperger in Bonn. His voice broke when he asked, "What are they; retards?"

A daughter, Wanda Asperger-Tewgo, has joined with her brother in the suit.

I think Im going to call tommorrow.

tyt re cu

http://www.theyoungturks.com/

Edit: bbk :} [:P]

These are Evan's issues: our exploding deficits and debt.

These issues are shams. Resolving do nothing to help the majority. What is needed is jobs for the majority. Is there an Indiana progressive in the wings?

Oyf Eybik Yung

The 40 hour work week
FDIC
Rural Electrification
The Civil Rights Act
Medicare
Medicaid
The GI Bill
Public Education

..to name a few.

George McGovern flew 35 bombing runs in WWII, the requirement was 20.

..that's something a liberal did.

This name calling on this blog sometimes reminds me of Jr. High School. Some kids will say anything to be popular.

I still consider myself to be liberal.

liberal |ˈlib(ə)rəl|
adjective
1 open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values
• favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms : liberal citizenship laws.
• (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform : a liberal democratic state.

Anyone got a problem with that send me an email, use the link at brr.

;)
... I must watch the different nola cams, still, for many important reasons... ;D

Bait News Service
Submitted by Crank Bait on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 5:33pm.
==
Diane Feinstein
Submitted by zeek on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 8:13pm.
Sewer dweller. That's deep.

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almost blew red burrito sauce out my nose

Ray Davies is touring, will be coming through pkx soon, hope to see him if I'm not working.
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:)
new
Submitted by Leah on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 7:58pm.

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feeling better mb? hope so.
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Searched all morning for a new hood latch cable and finally ended up looking at the ford dealership [the one that used to be close by closed] and found that I now have a mega ford parts warehouse across town. Got the cable and on a hunch also replaced the mass airflow sensor [I don't usually replace sensors unless I can first verify that they are bad.] This solved a long standing problem with a lag that would occur when I stepped on the gas. Bet my mileage improves too. Also bought a ROUSH hat at the performance counter.

Since I was on the west side I stopped at my favorite Mexican restaurant, La Canasta, and got two of my favorite red burritos. The workmans special is also a fav, red sauce beef, beans and rice. Love their red sauce, just thick enough that it clings a bit. Was going to save the other one, but I'm going to eat it now.

mmmmm

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

check out the moon

alice mmr in about an hour.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

that's what I call a Liberal.

nora, cent, and gloryoski, I call you flakes.

Sorry. Too high-schoolish. Regrets.

Secret Joint Raid Captures Taliban’s Top Commander

"WASHINGTON — The Taliban’s top military commander was captured several days ago in Karachi, Pakistan, in a secret joint operation by Pakistani and American intelligence forces, according to American government officials.

The commander, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, is an Afghan described by American officials as the most significant Taliban figure to be detained since the American-led war in Afghanistan started more than eight years ago. He ranks second in influence only to Mullah Muhammad Omar, the Taliban’s founder, and was a close associate of Osama bin Laden before the Sept. 11 attacks."

"this machine kills fascists"

RE: nora, cent, and gloryoski, I call you flakes
;)

Md. Dem Mikulski Set to Follow Bayh Out Senate Door

Claiming “an impeccable source,” blogger Rich Vail reports tonight that Democrat Barbara Mikulski will follow Evan Bayh’s lead and not seek re-election to her Maryland Senate seat this fall. Vail, a Tea Party supporter behind blog The Vail Spot, says the 73-year-old Mikulski has been slow to recover from an ankle injury suffered last year, and has told her doctor she plans to retire.

http://thevailspot.blogspot.com/2010/02/senator-mikulski-of-maryland-to-...

toniD's Ya Think?

Fox News Scolds WellPoint Rate Hike, Not For Hurting Consumers, But For Energizing Health Reform Advocates

California Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, a subsidiary of health insurance giant WellPoint, announced recently that it would be hiking premiums for customers in the individual market by up to 39 percent. The looming hike unleashed a firestorm of criticism, and provoked two Democratic lawmakers to launch congressional probes into the matter. Even a spokesman for Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) was compelled to feign concern, telling reporters, “If the argument is that the WellPoint hike means we need reform, well, ‘duh.’”

Earlier today on Fox Business, WellPoint VP Brad Fluegel appeared to discuss the hikes. Fox hosts Charles Payne and and Stu Varney lashed out at WellPoint for increasing rates just when “it was safe to get out of the healthcare debate.” The hosts were uninterested with how the increasing rates would affect customers and struggling families in California. Instead, the pair attacked Fluegel for re-energizing advocates for health reform. Payne groaned, asking Fluegel why he didn’t “take Wall Street’s lead” and “wait for this to blow over and maybe a year from now try to hike rates”:

PAYNE: But Brad this is like Jaws 2, just when you thought it was safe to get out of the healthcare debate, you brought everybody back into it. [...] Didn’t someone though, wasn’t there a committee that said listen, let’s take Wall Street’s lead, do the minimum we can, wait for this to blow over and maybe a year from now try to hike rates?

VARNEY: You handed the politicians red meat at a time when healthcare is being discussed. You gave it to them! [...] You couldn’t see this coming? I mean really, you couldn’t see this coming? [...]

VARNEY: You actually did make a net in that quarter in twleve weeks, you made what, $500 million net profit didn’t you? You tell that to a politician and they’re going to say, ‘you made a half billion dollars in twelve weeks and now you put the price up 25%.’

Watch it: at link

HCAN has responded to the WellPoint rate hike by releasing a report demonstrating how premium increases have been feeding insurer profits, not paying for health care costs. “The report finds that the top five largest for-profit insurance companies increased their profits by $12.2 billion last year while dropping coverage for 2.7 million Americans.“ Pending the investigation and a review from the California Insurance Commissioner, WellPoint has postponed the hikes until May 1, 2010.

At the end of the interview, the Fox hosts chuckled with the WellPoint VP. They apologized for being so harsh and warmly reminded Fluegel that their criticism of insurer profits was only meant to be “warm up” for Rep. Henry Waxman’s (D-CA) investigation. “You did very good,” cooed one of the cohosts.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/15/wellpoint-fox-business/

toniD's Ya Think?

Submitted by jbenet on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 9:01pm.
Got the cable and on a hunch also replaced the mass airflow sensor...
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(Must have been shopping at the Auto Zone of Notre Dame.)

Obama Approval Steps Up
The Gallup daily tracking poll now shows President Obama's approval rate at 53%, a jump of six point in the last three weeks.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

toniD's Ya Think?

Challengers Line Up For Boehner
Challengers are "lining up like never before" in bids to unseat Rep. John Boehner (R-OH), the Dayton Daily News reports.

"Two Republicans have filed to run against Boehner, the House Minority Leader, in the Republican primary -- more than he has faced since he was first elected in 1990"

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/ohio-news/opponents-lining-up-agains...

toniD's Ya Think?

& I feel You could Support - thus "Reasons Why?" -- and must be "worked" as to why I feel A COMPROMISE {although I am one of those that do not believe in compromises} -- but lets "work" to a compromise. I am of the extreme side, with some to the "NO COMPROMISE" ideal. I am of the few willing to seek a compromise -- yet grow out of name calling.
...but again our side is not listened to - only the "conservative" ideal.

When I do run away ... I am just glad B-Ball is not on & BONES IS ON {YEA!}.

Secret Joint Raid Captures Taliban’s Top Commander
By MARK MAZZETTI and DEXTER FILKINS

WASHINGTON — The Taliban’s top military commander was captured several days ago in Karachi, Pakistan, in a secret joint operation by Pakistani and American intelligence forces, according to American government officials.

The commander, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, is an Afghan described by American officials as the most significant Taliban figure to be detained since the American-led war in Afghanistan started more than eight years ago. He ranks second in influence only to Mullah Muhammad Omar, the Taliban’s founder and a close associate of Osama bin Laden before the Sept. 11 attacks.

Mullah Baradar has been in Pakistani custody for several days, with American and Pakistani intelligence officials both taking part in interrogations, according to the officials.

It was unclear whether he was talking, but the officials said his capture had provided a window into the Taliban and could lead to other senior officials. Most immediately, they hope he will provide the whereabouts of Mullah Omar, the one-eyed cleric who is the group’s spiritual leader.

Disclosure of Mullah Baradar’s capture came as American and Afghan forces were in the midst of a major offensive in southern Afghanistan.

His capture could cripple the Taliban’s military operations, at least in the short term, said Bruce O. Riedel, a C.I.A. veteran who last spring led the Obama administration’s Afghanistan and Pakistan policy review.

Details of the raid remain murky, but officials said that it had been carried out by Pakistan’s military spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, and that C.I.A. operatives had accompanied the Pakistanis.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/world/asia/16intel.html?hp=&pagewanted...

toniD's Ya Think?

A lot of noise is being made about how the bumpers line up in Sprint Cup but not so much in CampingWorld trucks. It seems that bumper alignment standards are more robust.

When will that be required on new cars? Isn't it time?

You as a Action Figure
"
Description

Would you like to become your very own action figure? You can in 3 easy steps!! 1 - Upload photos of yourself , from this I will create a digital sculpture of your face. 2 - Choose the clothes you wish your mini-self will be wearing. This can be based on photo's of you wearing your favorite clothes. 3 - See your head printed out, fitted onto a body type of your choice (thin, medium or muscular) and skin tone. Then your head will be painted and ready to ship.
"

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

Tell it!!!

Stress, I knew does make things worse for auto immune problems. The doctors try to give people with AI zoloft to help calm them down and relieve the pain. I'd like to get his book "When the Body Says NO".

Here's the link to the video:

Dr. Gabor Maté: “When the Body Says No: Understanding the Stress-Disease Connection”

The Vancouver-based Dr. Gabor Maté argues that too many doctors seem to have forgotten what was once a commonplace assumption—that emotions are deeply implicated in both the development of illness and in the restoration of health. Based on medical studies and his own experience with chronically ill patients at the Palliative Care Unit at Vancouver Hospital, where he was the medical coordinator for seven years, Dr. Gabor Maté makes the case that there are important links between the mind and the immune system. He found that stress and individual emotional makeup play critical roles in an array of diseases. [includes rush transcript]

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/2/15/dr_gabor_mat_when_the_body

toniD's Ya Think?

Seems that would be a lobbying avenue....

Doctor's killer talks about militia in 1996 (newly resurfaced) video Updated at 9:38 PM

Source: Associated Press

Doctor's killer talks about militia in 1996 video

Associated Press - February 15, 2010 2:24 PM ET

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) - A newly resurfaced 1996 video shows the convicted killer of a Kansas abortion doctor discussing his anti-government militia views with an Iowa anti-abortion activist.

The Associated Press has obtained a copy of the nearly 50-minute interview with Scott Roeder that aired in October 1996 on a Des Moines cable show.

In it, Roeder talks with Iowa abortion opponent Dave Leach about his Freemen philosophy. He also discusses his appeal of a 1996 conviction for carrying bomb-making materials in his unlicensed vehicle.

Leach plans to post a preview of the interview on YouTube and sell copies of the entire tape.

http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=11987684

toniD's Ya Think?

Who cares what he does? He's a loser. I'm glad he's not running. F'n trick. That's all he is.

toniD's Ya Think?

on David Schuster's MSNBC show -- 2/16.

Super.

I just gave Al Franken a donation
"You might have seen in the news, on Twitter, or on Facebook recently that I'm opposing the NBC/Comcast merger in its current form. I wanted to write you today to explain why, and to ask for your help.

I have some experience in this industry, and I flat-out don't trust Comcast and NBC to operate in the best interest of consumers in Minnesota and around the country when it comes to this merger. Combining a company who provides programming and one who provides the pipes that carry said programming would almost certainly be a raw deal for consumers and independent content producers alike."

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

A "trick" is slang for whore. That's what that means.

Pfft.... listen to me telling you about slang. You chaparone.

In hard times, Americans blame the poor

By Alfred Lubrano
Inquirer Staff Writer

Last month, Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer of South Carolina said that when the government helps the poor, it's like people feeding stray animals that continually "breed." And just last week, Colorado state legislator Spencer Swalm said poor people in single-family homes are "dysfunctional." Both statements riled some Americans from the Piedmont to the Rockies and underscored a widely held belief: In tough times, people are tough on the poor.

In an April 2009 poll by the Pew Research Center in Washington, 72 percent agreed with the statement that "poor people have become too dependent on government assistance programs." That's up from 69 percent in 2007.

"The economic downturn has made the middle class less generous toward others," said Guy Molyneux, a partner at Hart Research Associates, a Washington firm that researches attitudes toward the poor. "People are less supportive of the government helping the poor, because they feel they're not getting enough help themselves. "It's a divided country, splitting on a fault line: those who think the poor are poor because they don't try enough, and those who think the poor simply need help."

Matt Wray, a sociologist at Temple University, agreed: "Hatred of the poor is fueled by the middle class's fear of falling during hard times." Americans don't understand how the poor are victimized by a lack of jobs, inefficient schools, and unsafe neighborhoods, experts say. "People ignore the structural issues - jobs leaving, industry becoming more mechanized," said Yale sociologist Elijah Anderson, renowned for his study of the Philadelphia poor. "Then they point to the poor and ask, 'Why aren't you making it?' "

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/84368242.html

toniD's Ya Think?

...OR Most Surely We Will Be Divided - which we were!

I had a very dear Witch friend - who left due to Nuclear non-evolving rules {i.e. an ideal}. I & others also lost many a job "due to our beliefs - then to even represent the beliefs".

IT IS NOT IN SOME INDIVIDUALS DNA to make a stand (as in losing their ONLY food & safety source} - yet one {a lib or prog) must SUPPORT LIB BELIEFS ALSO!!! {This is when a "centrists" DEM must support LIB{beral} DEMS... ... WE HAVE PROVED "WE WERE CORRECT...on so many ISSUES, especially since the 60s when I was a mere wee one.}

Many "folks" have lost JOBS & F A M I L Y due to their beliefs, but they are the ONLY Way Certain individuals "see"... .. AS YOU STAND FOR LESS IDEALS {In My & Others' Eyes...}

...YET THIS IS WHEN I SUPPORT YOUR BELIEFS, DO YOU MINE?

{I hope I made sense, since hardly any sleep * then there is Mardi Gras ;)}

toniD's Ya Think?

I agree but there are some very divisive forces. What does standing together mean? Does it mean we all have to resign ourselves to the simplest in the group?

I hope not.

John Podesta, Democratic insider and informal adviser to Obama says US political system is in trouble

http://www.ft.com/cms/885d7916-e3aa-11dc-8799-0000779fd2ac.html?_i_refer...

toniD's Ya Think?

CLIFFSIDE PARK, N.J. — An aide to U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey says the 86-year-old Democrat has fallen and has been taken to a hospital as a precautionary measure.

Spokesman Caley Gray tells The Record newspaper of Bergen County the senator was taken by ambulance Monday night from his Cliffside Park home.

Gray says he doesn't know if the senator fell inside the apartment.

Lautenberg returned Friday from a trip to Haiti with a congressional delegation. He was scheduled to discuss the trip and the U.S. aid effort at a news conference on Tuesday.

Lautenberg was first elected to the Senate in 1982 and is the first New Jersey senator to be elected to five terms.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20100215/us-lautenberg-hospital...

toniD's Ya Think?

wherein Parry indicates Cheney's repeated confessions of illegality are disregarded yet again.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/021410.html

[excerpt]

On Sunday, Cheney pronounced himself “a big supporter of waterboarding,” a near-drowning technique that has been regarded as torture back to the Spanish Inquisition and that has long been treated by U.S. authorities as a serious war crime, such as when Japanese commanders were prosecuted for using it on American prisoners during World War II.

Cheney was unrepentant about his support for the technique. He answered with an emphatic "yes" when asked if he had opposed the Bush administration’s decision to suspend the use of waterboarding – after it was employed against three “high-value detainees” sometimes in repetitive sequences. He added that waterboarding should still be “on the table” today.

Cheney then went further. Speaking with a sense of impunity, he casually negated a key line of defense that senior Bush officials had hidden behind for years – that the brutal interrogations were approved by independent Justice Department legal experts who thus gave the administration a legitimate reason to believe the actions were within the law.

However, on Sunday, Cheney acknowledged that the White House had told the Justice Department lawyers what legal opinions to render. In other words, the opinions amounted to ordered-up lawyering to permit the administration to do whatever it wanted.

[end excerpt]

but when good people can't even get along, nothing good will ever happen.

Good people work hard. Good people love. Good people don't

but when good people can't even get along, nothing good will ever happen.

Good people work hard. Good people love. Good people don't just lie. Good people don't shoot people.

Submitted by toniD on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 9:58pm.
Stress, I knew does make things worse for auto immune problems...Here's the link to the video:

Dr. Gabor Maté: “When the Body Says No: Understanding the Stress-Disease Connection”
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To temporarily reduce stress I recommend this video:

Best In Show

http://www.answers.com/topic/best-in-show-film

(There is a good, two minute, composite video clip at the link.)

...now we have a conversation or in my terminology a debate -- next topic perhaps: "...simplest in the group" ... I do not find one here so please explain... ...
{ better than ur explanation as to WHY re: M Theroy & String...{now that is my form of a joke (teehee)or one may sea it as LBH:}
;)

No one will take a step toward bringing Chney to justice because Cheney still controls an assassination team maybe?

(RE: Seymour Hersch's concerns)

Yesterday I was puzzled by Bob Schieffer of Face The Nation spending so much time questioning current V.P. Biden about ex-president-of-vice Cheney's opinions/confessions(!) on torture and Cheney's charges against the Dem administration. Why give Cheney's twisted torture arguments and Global War on Terror Chicken Little tantrums any more validity than they have already garnered in America?, as if torture were just an opinion and not an obvious crime. Was Schieffer trying to clarify whether or not there are differences between the the Obama Adminstration and the Bush Administration? Whatever the overall goal of that line of questions, it was sickening to see Cheney and his sick words given any more exposure.

Transcript of show--

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/FTN_021410.pdf?tag=contentMain;content...

Then it looks like Bayh is looking to create a Bayh Machine (or continue the existing one): Seems likely someone wired to Bayh is all set and ready to take Bayh's spot with Bayh's blessing, and has been ready because they're on Bayh's inside track.

If this is what is happening -- it would make the 4-days-to-get-on-the-ballot a real Machiavellian move.

how do you and Nora disagree?

I feel we are "teaching" our children how to LIE & CHEAT unless bush & cheney are "JUDGED"!

I can't write that. It just makes me feel bad.

I feel Cent is a Male... and born near when I was...
BOTH calm & listen... for you both {and others} have very good minds here...

... now what is the point you were making, since last night and tonight many points for my tired brain were made ... not by who {cuz I barely ever have time to backread... So Sorry :( }
;):(

Life's not fair. There's no free ride.

That's not changing.

Our only hope is to make it more fair than it is now. Now. How does that happen?

Submitted by nora on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 10:55pm.
No one will take a step toward bringing Chney to justice because Cheney still controls an assassination team maybe?
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Without a doubt you are correct.

All of the people who take a step toward bringing Cheney to justice are assassinated by Cheney's private team of assassins.

All of the remaining people who would like to take a step toward bringing Cheney to justice are afraid of being assassinated by Cheney's private team of assassins.

You can see Russia from your porch, too.

stop trying to bring Cheney to justice.

Submitted by Fernando on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 11:14pm.

"...Pretty sure cent's not male...."

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Hmmm. What's that supposed to mean? Is that the worst way to insult a man in your 'sexist' world?

Does GENDER determine whether one's comments are acceptable?

By the way, Fernando, in case you didn't know it, both males and females have rights in this country.

honestly, I've never seen you in the same place at the same time.

I apologize. Not sure to whom.

Evil & a wrong PATH if we do not take bush/cheney to trial... Fernando, in my soul i feel this truth...and how would we seek a compromise? I was hoping you as a parent would see The Wisdom in Teaching the/our children "the correct" path. :)

A TRIAL is ALSO to show FAIRNESS to WHOMEVER BREAKS THE LAW!

Somehow, not the response I was expecting...

It has a Magic 8-ball quality to it...

*munching popcorn*

"this machine kills fascists"

Even Echeveria wasn't brought down. - Wiki

But there are no statute of limitations. It's just not going to happen in this life span.

That's just one reason we can't coddle. Life's not fair. But we can make it more fair. At best. The corporations are winning. Our Politicos don't even matter anymore.

This is CREEPY. Who needs horror movies and spooky novels?

Just how did that guy have the right to OWN and SELL Einstein's brain?

[excerpt]

1985
Feb. 14: The woman who cut up Albert Einstein's brain said yesterday that Al had exactly 73 percent more upstairs than the average guy. Marian Diamond, a professor at UC Berkeley, has been slicing and dicing the physicist's brain and peeking at it through a microscope. What she found, she said, was exciting. There are two kinds of brain cells - glial cells and neurons. The neurons do the thinking and the glial cells are "support cells," doing the more mundane chores of running a cerebrum. Back in the left portion of Section 39 of Einstein's brain, Diamond said, there were a whole lot more glial cells for every neuron than there were in Section 39 of the average brain. Seventy-three percent more. Which may be the reason why Einstein was so smart, although Diamond said she could not be sure. "No one knows how cells think," she said. Diamond said she dreamed up the project after seeing a picture of Einstein's pickled brain in a magazine. The brain was owned by a Missouri pathologist, one of the doctors who conducted the autopsy on Einstein in 1955. It took three years of phone calls and letters before the man in Missouri could be persuaded to mail off small chunks to Diamond last spring. Where is the great man's brain now? Diamond strolled down the hall to her laboratory where the walls were covered with bottles full of human and rat brains. "Somewhere in there," she said, "I'm not exactly sure what we did with it."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/02/14/PKOC1BN8HV.D...

[end excerpt]

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And rounding out the creepy tale:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_brain

stop trying to be cool it only makes you dorkier...

I get the feeling someone had been posting and deleting behind my back...you got some questions about my gender?

You got something else you are trying to say fern?

Here I am....

the john turns tricks cent.

I thought you were nora. Even now, nora is a user but you don't show up. Are you her doppelganger?

cheap pooch version of Spinal Tap...

Your taste is with your brains...in your ass.

Actions by humans: it was discovered that in War Games "The Military" decided that most are "concrete" thinkers and can be manipulated by The Military; whereas, the others are Abstract Thinkers and cannot be manipulated.

It has been said The Masses are lead by The Rich few, so it is also written 1% can change the direction of The Masses, even for a better direction. {One reason as to WHY:}
...{it is late}

Is that what follows CB and dr like a mist and tries to divert attention from them?

prostitutes turn tricks...just what "barrio" did you grow up in fern?

Ask crank...he likes calling people "motherfuckers" so much it wouldn't surprise me if he is a "trick baby"...which is the child a whore has by a trick....

Let's not get too chauvinistic here...I don't know what female tricks are called...janes I'd expect....

By A Whore saying: "He's a nice 'trick'" {meaning "He's a Good Fuck." {I didn't make this up ...}
also a trick also means a Whore. :}

we've skyped more than once dude...what is wrong with you?

put down the crack pipe for a week every once in a while...your mind will be less muddled...

...what the probability is that the crotch bomber's intel led to this:

Exclusive: A U.S. Intelligence Breakthrough in the Persian Gulf?

"In late January, an Al Qaeda operative headed from Pakistan on his way to Yemen was arrested in the Persian Gulf country of Oman, a U.S. counter-terrorism official confirmed.

Even more noteworthy, the postings -written by a fellow Al Qaeda "brother" - reported that Al Eidan had with him 300 "important phone numbers" as well as pictures, names and documents from Afghanistan."

And, what the probability of that having led to the offensive of the past week and Mullah Baradar's capture.

That would pretty much incinerate a host of right wing talking points and memes on "keeping us safe"

These are game changing events.

"this machine kills fascists"

I suppose there are different customs in different ghettos...

the one I grew up in there were tricks and hos

the hos was da hos and the tricks was da tricks...and da pimps got all da money....

Does Bayh have links to Eli Lilly?
Submitted by nora on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 10:01pm.
Seems that would be a lobbying avenue....

...and see what their doing in a couple of years.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/02/15/world/AP-ML-Palestinians-US.h...

[excerpt]

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) -- The United States should break Israel's blockade of Gaza and deliver badly needed supplies by sea, a U.S. congressman told Gaza students.

Rep. Brian Baird, a Democrat from Washington state, also urged President Barack Obama's Mideast envoy to visit the Hamas-ruled territory to get a firsthand look at the destruction caused by Israeli's military offensive last year.

The Obama administration, like its predecessor, shuns Hamas because the Islamic militant group refuses to recognize Israel or renounce violence.

Israel and Egypt have restricted access to Gaza since Hamas' victory in parliament elections in 2006 and tightened the blockade after Hamas seized Gaza by force in 2007.

Israel allows humanitarian supplies and food into Gaza, but has kept out cement and other building supplies needed for reconstruction. Israel argues such materials could be diverted by Hamas for military use.

Baird, who has announced his retirement from Congress, told a group of Gaza students Sunday evening that the U.S. should not condone the blockade.

''We ought to bring roll-on, roll-off ships and roll them right to the beach and bring the relief supplies in, in our version of the Berlin airlift,'' he said, adding that the supplies could be delivered to U.N. aid agencies.

[end excerpt]

Says guest on tonight's Coast to Coast show.

Eli Lilly's board of directors -- according to one blog I read. Sorry, I don't have any links.

Are you totally lacking in couth?
Hmph!

"I feel Cent is a Male"
Submitted by 60th Street on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 12:00am.
Somehow, not the response I was expecting...
It has a Magic 8-ball quality to it...
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It's pretty funny from where I'm sitting.

Most people on the blog know that cent is a sexist who uses faggoty and girly insults straight out of an eighth grade locker room. His language implies that manliness is next to godliness.

Fernando made a joke directed at the heart of cent's sexism by intimating that male cent might actually be female cent (an insult taken directly from cent's catalog of insults, second only to being called a queer).

The irony flew over the top of nora's head causing her to accuse Fernando of sexism. nora loves -isms.

The joke continued flying over the top of Ms_Anthrope's head causing her to postulate that cent's birthplace indicates that cent is male. (Don't ask. Whatever her reasoning process is, you don't want to know.)

Then cent showed up and instantly wrote "in your ass" imagery followed by indelicate commentary on mothers and whores.

It doesn't get any funnier nor more predictable than this.

I couldn't get through it. Not my cup of tea...wifey's neither...

There was another one that came out around the same time, same type of genre, about a folk singing group, like Peter Paul and Mary...well, that one sucked too...they are all spinal tap knock offs. Christopher Guest is a good writer and all, but there is only on Rob Reiner...

couth? well, yeah, I could probably use a refill now and again.

Best in Show was a snoozer!?
Submitted by Cat Chew on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 1:30am.
Are you totally lacking in couth?
Hmph!
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Stand down, Chewie. I didn't recommend it to cent. It was a comedy recommendation for toniD.

If I were recommending a comedy for cent, it would be loaded with teen age humor; nothing deeper than Porky's.

that's right
crank's speciality is taking things out of context

the missing link to "in your ass"
"You[r] taste is with your brains...in your ass."

note also, crank using "shit-for-brains" is given a free pass, by crank...
man, he's ready for prime time on fox

[full disclosure: because fernando edited the post @ 11:26pm - it's difficult to know if fernando was serious... who knows with, nando]

ps. a john in the prostitution biz is the client

CARE-frontation
Clarify your intention(s)
Accept your responsibility in the matter
Remain calm and civil in the discourse
Explore solutions together.
http://www.masterfacilitatorjournal.com/samples/skill23.html

I am someone who cares about and has a high regard for each of you and I don‘t think I‘m alone.

Sunday’s thread was a pretty tough read; and, as I did so, I remembered my father telling my three brothers as youngsters, who frequently used the living room as a wrestling mat to settle whatever they were fighting about, “take it outside.”

I enjoy a spirited debate. I even appreciate that there are times when someone just needs to get something off their chest or make a particular observation. So, may I suggest: if it's just impossible to scroll past a specific comment, as Sandy has suggested several times, and if the discussion will likely take several, and heated, rounds to resolve, it might be better to save the space on the current thread and take it to an “Open Mike.” If others want to mix it up, or give their two cents worth, they can wander over and participate in the fray, or just be a spectator or not get involved at all. And no matter how intense it gets, it's in separate forum and left there when it's done.

All of the posts, whether it is regarded as fact or fiction, are relevant and of value to some of us if not all. I’ve said before and I’ll say it again and again, I want to read everything you’ve got because it tells me where I want to draw the line for myself. For me, that line varies issue to issue, day to day, and the more information the better. I even appreciate the troll posts for it reiterates to me, there for the grace of God (or insert your preference), go I. Everyone’s contributions, whether it’s news, fact, theory, or, a seemingly pointless and/or over-the-top assertion, are random puzzle pieces of life that might fit somewhere to possibly make sense of it all. Or not.

Clearly, what we all have in common is our regard for Sam’s insight and sense of humor to say the least; and, he in turn favors us with his blog with so few restrictions, trusting us to do right by each other. IMHO, we are all intelligent enough to make our own assessment of the posts submitted and opinions expressed, and to respectfully respond whether we passionately agree or not.

Now with that said, do you want to take this outside?…
Submitted by Crank Bait on Sun, 02/14/2010 - 10:26pm
Submitted by Crank Bait on Sun, 02/14/2010 - 11:38pm.

Forgive me if I am mistaken, are you saying I’m full of it.
I’ve always been grateful when you have had my back…or was it about something else? Clarify please! :)

I have to draw the line somewhere. Otherwise, next thing you know, someone will call Stuart Saves His Family unmemorable, and some other philistine will claim Defending Your Life is poorly paced, and then, well... be warned, I cannot be held responsible for my actions!

both spinal tap & best in show were mockumentaries
both were co-written by christopher guest, who co-wrote both and is a comic genius

so you'd expect to see similarities...
so your criticism that best in show is second rate because it's in the same mould is ridiculous

just because christopher guess directed his gaze to dog shows
doesn't detract from it being a brilliant comedy

in conclusion, and if i may paraphrase you
Your rationale for dissing best in show is in your ass

don't talk too loudly or you will upset him...the watch out... he will make you his "enemy" ...he can be sooo mean...

pfft...here's some more "faggotry" for you crank...why don't you blow me...and some more butt references for you...you are an anal retentive control freak...

I lost all respect for you yesterday crank...you are nothing more than an abusive asshole, know it all, who rages when someone disagrees with him. I am sure that has gone over with people in your world, but your raging does not bother me...just so much background noise...

You are sharp as a tack but you have the emotional depth and maturity of a raging 2 year old...

2 year old...anal-retentive...hmmmm...did we have potty training issues Crank? is that why you are so hung up on butt references? ...where is michele when you need her..

get help crank...or don't...but one thing is for sure...I will NEVER back down from you... for all your smarts you are too stupid to identify your opponent...the one sure way to get me to fight is to try to intimidate me... the more you bellow, the stronger and more determined I will become... so you are going to need to develop some emotional chops, and a different strategy if you want to go through me....

another thing...I have decided to make your picking on nora personal to me...why? because you are an asshole, thats why...so we will be going shot for shot until you knock it off...you may be smarter and better educated than I am, but I am tougher than you are Crank...and the better street fighter, so in the end you will lose...

sorry toni, and the rest of the blog, but this has got to end... you all need to understand that even if nora were to leave, it wouldn't be long before crank would target someone else...for some other bullshit reason, and do the same thing...he has a sick pattern going here, and no one else is standing up to him...

I know who you are crank...and I am not afraid of you...rage on asshole...

you're a treasure...
and smart, too
: )

Loved Meryl Streep...and Rip Torn...Albert Brooks is not my cuppa jo though...

Great story line too...seems like a remake of another film, but I could never figure out which one...

this is getting serious

as cee-cee said
//what we all have in common is our regard for Sam’s insight and sense of humor//

we have much more i common...
we despise sweat shops
we despise the brutality that occurs in the congo
the rape of the planet
(etc)

but i have many personal problems with the blog
they're mostly of an aesthetic nature
and it is pathological
so it's essentially my problem
and i could harp on about it, as i used too
but i cram it

and i feel crank should cram his own pathological distaste of nora's posts
whom many here enjoy

i'm not defending nora's posts
i'm defending nora

she is one of the sweetest good-natured people i've ever known
and to have crank maul her will not be tolerated

CeeCee, I agree and I also suggested that in the past.

But one has to wonder, can even that work?

Is it worth the effort discussing even the time of day with bullying cowards who do childish stuff like erasing their posts?

[To the Eraser: It was too incriminating to leave lying around, huh? Do REAL "men" scurry back up the thread and erase their posts in order to make challeges look pointless?
You must have been sooooo scared.]

:(

forgive them, father
for they know not what they do
except for nora...
smite her

He makes me think of my little poodle. It's wonderful. Goodnight.
_______________________

Fear is like a giant fog. It sits on your brain and blocks everything -- real feelings, true happiness, real joy. They can't get through that fog. But you lift it, and buddy, you're in for the ride of your life.

i take umbrage with the truthiness of that post

i don't know which post nora is referring to...
is it nando's?

now if it is, and nando decided that on second thoughts
it was a little on the inflammatory side
that's fair enough
there's no cowardice in that
in fact, it's quite noble

i've been requested to remove some of my posts
i've also deleted some, of my own accord

also, nando is no coward
he's never shyed away from a blog fight/disagreement

this video should at least please dan
it's taylor made to please dan

please dan enjoy this video

I value all points of view expressed here, that's why I'm voting for CeeCee for president 2012!

As Rodney King once said,
" can't we all just smoke a bong? "
Or was that Chubby?

I miss Chubby.

and that is one thing I can say about bait...no matter how badly he behaves...he never apologizes, or back edits his posts for content once they have been commented on...although I can't say he is being virtuous, as it is probably only because he thinks he is never wrong or out of line...it's that two year old stubbornness again...

Fernando does it so often it is hard to blog with him sometimes, you have to wait a half hour for him to get the final version finished...I mean I add to my posts too, but not the way fern does...

and deleting a post once someone has been commented on it...well, thats just rude.

someone should write a blog on etiquette

bernie madoff got started somewhere

do some manual work downstairs :|

for dan...
The Madoff Affair
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/madoff/
will everybody stop trying to please dan...
pleasing people is exhausting
and dan needs his rest

how true. its exhausting being me.

I need Mardi Gras, but what I get is Polish donut day.

G'night, again.

we're viscerally repulsed by the sanctioned criminal activity of the bankstas...

If what you call "savvy" are people who rig the game, then these people are savvy. But it's disconcerting, nonetheless, to hear the president of the United States endorse that definition.

Dean Baker explains what was so savvy about Goldman Sachs

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/savvy-savvy-by-digby-dean-baker.h...

: )

wifey made a good point. There will be more money for treating it, or now, its symptoms, and less difficulty getting approval for treating it, as there is so much more money available for and public attention on autism these days...

so folding it completely into the autism spectrum, without distinction, although historically confusing to some, might actually be a good thing in the end for those who suffer from it....

split the difference and make some beignets.

just found out a few hours ago that the lead in my short film is going to be filming a Paramount comedy alongside Michael Madsen...
to think, when I met him he was just a pup who had arrived in L.A. from North Carolina....
Well, a 43-year-old pup, but an L.A. newbie who has rocketed up the fame chart apparently

ANYWAY, now I'm thinking of delaying this short film's release then releasing it with the banner of "STARRING ______ from the Paramount film _________!!!!"

What can I say? I'm a shameless male whore.

"You look so tired-unhappy
Bring down the government
They don't, they don't speak for us"
-Radiohead.
www.sigzone.blogspot.com

uh...don't want to burst your as of yet un-inflated bubble...but isn't that called junkmail?

"...bloody Vikings...."

Quasi-Moto
Submitted by Crank Bait on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 9:37pm.

Submitted by jbenet on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 9:01pm.
Got the cable and on a hunch also replaced the mass airflow sensor...
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(Must have been shopping at the Auto Zone of Notre Dame.)
==
NASCAR question
Submitted by Fernando on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 9:49pm.
=
yes bumpers of all cars on the road should have a common alignment. You couldn't have bumper cars, remember the amusement park with the metal floor and the pole that went to the metal roof to complete the circuit, unless the bumpers lined up.

Wasn't there some guy from Calif. that advocated that years ago.

[cue alice]

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

"The joke continued flying over the top of Ms_Anthrope's head causing her to postulate that cent's birthplace indicates that cent is male. (Don't ask. Whatever her reasoning process is, you don't want to know.)"

Notice his self aggrandizing narcissism as he snickers while the lowly inferiorites struggle to comprehend what he imagines to see so clearly....

In his head, they are all morons and it is his duty, and sacred burden to teach them the truth...as only he can.

The reality, of course, is quite different Crank...

"I feel Cent is a Male... and born near when I was..."

Ms A was referring to our ages...you fucking arrogant idiot...I didn't even have the benefit of reading fern's deleted post, and I figured that out without having to read it twice...

Once again Crank, you need to learn to listen to people and try to at least comprehend their viewpoint if you are to be taken seriously when you respond to them...many of your most vicious abusive responses on this blog happen after you misinterpret what someone else has said...that post makes sound like nothing more than a hate filled narcissist with contempt for those you feel not worthy to share the same planet as you....

You are damaged goods Crank...get help

they're giving spam email the personal touch...
i thought it would be obvious

the video i posted is the original version of the skit, which leaves out the preamble
that can be found here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvdSNVl723c

incidentally, junk mail is unsolicited commercial mail stuffed into your mail-box

ya, cent, it's scary
when crank's infallibility is challenged
he swings from being a guy who has admirable qualities
to dropping all pretence of propriety
and resorting to rush limbaugh smears

Be Back... have to brew more tea &
Submitted by Ms_Anthrope on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 3:24am.

do some manual work downstairs :|
===
I was thinking that Evan Bayh knows a Lily but not necessarily an Eli. She had a little pillow talk with him; "you hate the Senate, the left bloggers and you quit the reelection race, OK? You can go on and no one will find out about me. OK? Ok, lets get downstairs and see Manuel."

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

I'd say not. To much trying to put people in boxes so we can be certain who they are. In my opinion this medium is a notoriously difficult one to get to know people, although I find the occasional photograph helps.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

self esteem is. He is hurting people on this blog every single day with his hateful garbage...

He thinks he has the right to abuse anyone he is smarter than, and everybody lets him get away with it because they are scared of him...they end up victimizing the people he abuses just to shut him up. He is toxic. FUCK HIM, that narcissistic prick.

I tried pleasant and patient...I tried short sharp shock...now its siege time. He wants contempt, and hatred...he shall have it...all day, every day.

He likes to fixate on one person and grind on them...lets see how he handles it after a month or so...personally, I don't think he is that strong...most abusers are pretty weak underneath.

where's the love? Not for the outside, your inside.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

normally I am a pretty nice guy, live and let live, Buffalo energy...but my child protector, the one I rely on for safety, the energy of last resort, is all Badger...

And he is one mean sob...

people here have seen glimpses of him from time to time. He is not pretty, but I am glad he is on my side...

his major problem with nora & ghetto...
they don't engage with him on a humourous level
nor do they lavish the praise upon him that he's become accustomed to

to crank, that is a cardinal sin
and a ballistic reaction results

if he accepted that nora & ghetto have different sensiblities
and can't respond to the stimuli in a manner deemed appropriate by crank
he'd be less aggressive...
but he can't

he has been snubbed and he demands his pound of flesh
and come hell or high water that's what he'll get, by golly
even if that means playing dirty pool

honestly, i don't read 90% of nora's posts
as i don't read 90% of the disputes that fester here
(if i had time on, i probably would)

now having declared that i don't read 90% of nora's posts
although i know enough that she dwells into the mystic...
she's going to write a certain amount of bollocks that would be easy to disprove
and a piece of cake for crank's intelligence

however, his rage at having been snubbed overwhelms him
and the criticism becomes a diatribe
fuelled by revenge

so it's not so much the nasty tone that disturbs me, as bad as it is
but the disingenous self-serving portrayal of her as a hateful insidious bitch
which is at odds with her sweet nature

i have enough to keep me amused...
if i'm not careful i'll amuse myself into a stupor

both you guys are important to the health of the blog
and i can't figure out a way to surmount this impasse

when crank has an adverse reaction to nora
you have an adverse reaction to crank, as do i
and it makes for bad blood

Feb. 16 (Bloomberg) -- The Afghan Taliban’s top military commander, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, has been captured near Pakistan’s biggest city of Karachi in what may be the most significant blow to the eight-year insurgency. - Bloomberg

it's the diversity...
and nora has her own flavour
which i value

Ya think we can get back on track?

I'm really tired of all of this here.

I don't read Nora's posts either.

We've got a major problem in this country and the world and I want to hear solutions, ideas for change. I don't want to waste time and threads on conspiracy theories and blog fights.

toniD's Ya Think?

-

HAPPY FAT TUESDAY!!!!

i disagree with your assessment of crank as an "abuser"

abusive, yes...
like i said, it's more of an allergic reaction
than him being a systematic abuser

I tried to plead with him about it too...but he is not having any...he just does not give a shit.

The trouble, also is, ono, he does it to a lot of different people, not just nora...he has a list of people he believes are inferior and therefore justify reception of his abuse.

Since I have been on the blog, he has always targeted at least one person like this...the targets vary, but it is always someone receiving his abuse, and always for different reasons...and mostly all female...which is another one of my triggers...but not for the reasons he thinks...I've definitely got my own personal shit going on here too...

and its not like it happens only occasionally, it happens every single day lately. my guess is, if we let it run, it will continue to happen, until he eventually gets around to everyone, and ends up alone. Which is not an uncommon pathology with narcissists. He just cant help it.

but like I said...I don't care anymore...cryin time is over...

badinage is the spice of life
and to castigate him for this is to the detriment of the blog

you know the old saying...
when you're a hammer, everythings a nail

well right now, nora is crank's nail
and crank is your nail
so everything is infused with sinister intent

i hope puts things into some perspective

we occupy a tiny spec of a tiny spec of the world
and as fucked as each of us may think the other guy is...
everything is relative

behold the wider world!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7uLzgnERUc

stress FROM HOLDING YOU LEGITIMATE FEELINGS OF RAGE INSIDE taking a toll on the body. Don't have time to post a link now. Can't be late for work. You all know where it is.

toniD I do apologize, but part of being part the solution is not being part of the problem. Crank and Fernando distract from the discussion of possible solutions with abuse to cover their own asses and stay in their own comfort zones. That is a BIG part of the problem HERE.

When somebody is in a bar-room brawl, I got no problem with him acting like it if that is what comes naturally and he is on the the right side. And the rest of you boys in that 3 on 1 fight barely even give the respect that is supposed to be behind political correctness a nod--ever.

cent is not the one who talks about putting tape over women's mouths or "drilling down to it."

Fernando, you can't justify some wars (for your convenience)and then say "good people don't shoot people." Make up your goddamn mind and stop acting crazy! It's not going to protect you anymore. It's not going to protect you from having your insults and threats recognized for what they are...

where'd you read that hell was pomo?

I defer to you, I guess. (YOU are way smarter than me. Got no problem recognizing THAT.)

But from what I hear, pomo having no hell is what some people think is part of its problem.

So now I am going to be late. Drat.

but I can... I am working on projects, so I do not have time for useless banter - although tempting... but I am glad there are "more" "SederFolks" that see thru his "frustrated rhetoric" and are speaking out...for Crank B is an adorable curmudgeon- to us Warriors of Truth. Besides "toxic-bitch'n" & toxic banter here, what else has he done? He is good "practice" for the Fangs. mwah haha ;)

Almost time for a M.G. Parade -- "B4 The Parade Passes By..." :):( ooxx

and i'm not smarter than you
i'm just cooler than you

fucking-a, ms-a
: )

"we occupy a tiny spec of a tiny spec of the world
and as fucked as each of us may think the other guy is...
everything is relative"

I need 60th - - - ?????

Not only is Bahy a member of the DLC, but he is the founder of the very conservative New Democrat Movement. If you read below, you will see that groups like this ,and the DLC, conspired to defeat Howard Dean.

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New Democrat Movement

GROUP

The right wing current of the Democratic party, characterized by its neoliberal economic policies, support of Israel, desire to increase defense spending, and links to heavy donors and fundraisers.

Believes that "left-wing" positions are not politically viable. Describes itself as "moderate and pro-growth". Probably responsible for erosion of the Democratic Party's historical labor and minority base due to support of treaties like NAFTA, lack of support for affirmative action and poverty programs, and their siphoning away of campaign funds from minority groups.

At the national level, the movement was founded by the Democratic Leadership Council (501c4 educational non-profit, founded 1984) and includes the House New Democrat Coalition (founded 1997), the Senate New Democrat Coalition (founded 2000), the New Democrat Network PAC (founded 1996), the misnamed Progressive Policy Institute (501c4 think tank, "Bill Clinton's idea mill", founded 1989), and the umbrella funding group The Third Way Foundation (501c3 non-profit, founded 1996).

Since coming to power within the Democratic Party with Bill Clinton's presidency, the New Democrats/DLC have worked towards "essentially the same purpose as the Christian Coalition... to pull a broad political party dramatically to the right" according to John Nichols of The Progressive.

DLC operatives actively worked to sabotage Howard Dean's candidacy for the US Presidency in 2004, claiming that the "far-left" Democrat was wrong to attack George W. Bush's tax cuts and national security policies.

Corporate contributors to the DLC and New Democratic Network include Bank One, Citigroup, Dow Chemical, DuPont, General Electric, Health Insurance Corporation of America, Merrill Lynch, Microsoft, Philip Morris, RJR Nabisco, Chevron, Prudential Foundation, Amoco Foundation, AT&T, Morgan Stanley, Occidental Petroleum, Raytheon, and many other Fortune 500 companies.

"[Democrats should] shift the primary focus from racism, the traditional enemy without, to self-defeating patterns of behavior [among blacks]" --Chuck Robb, 2nd DLC Chairman, Governor & Senator of the Great State of Virginia, White Man, 1986.

"I'm from the democratic wing of the Democrat Party" --Paul Wellstone, progressive Democrat, criticizing the New Democrat Movement.

"Democrats for the Leadership Class" --Jesse Jackson, progressive black Democrat, describing the DLC.

Official Website:
http://www.ndol.org

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just sayin

I think of Sederville as a certain Microcosm to the Mind of this Macrocosmic Nation (plus more).
Crank & Me & Cent & ALL Folks here are all "shards to the whole crystal" & are needed & Valid - even a War Dog type.

...but Cent did "cover me" in "battle" -- here between Crank Bait & Chubby Bubba against "moi"... & Cent "proved" I was correct & he even had "the name" of whom I was speaking thereof ... teehee

Kewl Mardi Gras "Masks" ;);( ...

Evan Bayh

Evan BayhAKA Birch Evans Bayh III

Born: 26-Dec-1955
Birthplace: Shirkieville, IN

Gender: Male
Religion: Anglican/Episcopalian
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Politician
Party Affiliation: Democratic

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: US Senator from Indiana

As Governor of Indiana in 1989-97, Bayh was the youngest governor in the nation. Elected to US Senate in 1998, defeating Paul Helmke.

Father: Birch Bayh (hog farmer, Indiana Senator)
Mother: Marvella Hern Bayh (d. 24-Apri-1979 breast cancer)
Wife: Susan B. Bayh (law professor, m. 13-Apr-1985, twin sons)
Son: Birch Evans Bayh IV ("Beau", twin, b. 9-Nov-1995)
Son: Nicholas Harrisonn Bayh (twin, b. 9-Nov-1995)

High School: St. Albans School, Washington, DC (1974)
University: BS, Indiana University Bloomington (1978)
University: JD, University of Virginia Law School (1981)

US Senator, Indiana (1999-)
Governor of Indiana (1989-97)
US Secretary of State Indiana (1986-88)
Law Clerk for a federal court judge
Alfalfa Club 1999
Bilderberg Group Portugal, Jun-1999
Committee for the Liberation of Iraq Honorary Co-Chairman
Council on Foreign Relations
Democratic Leadership Council Chairman
National Endowment for Democracy Board Member
National Student Leadership Conference Honorary Board of Advisors
New Democrat Movement Founder, Senate New Democrat Coalition
District of Columbia Bar
Indiana State Bar Association
Phi Kappa Psi Fraternity

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cooler than me. yeah that too. cept when you're not. which does happen.

funnier than me. yeah. always.

His "banter" is not playful in the same manner yours is, it is designed to injure and humiliate...his rationalization is "instruction"...he is full of shit.

Crank is a toxic asshole who is bent on running everyone out of here who does not pass his personal mental hygiene test. He is a friggin megalomaniac thought eugenicist...

...and I don't want him to leave, I just want him to stop...live and let live, and quit being a a vicious thought nazi...civility is all I am asking for here ono, and that is not too much to ask...and I have, repeatedly, but he prefers to be a dick, so he deserves what he has got coming.

Who the fuck does he think he is treating people the way he does? And why the fuck isn't the rest of the blog stomping his ass for it?

goes to the "battle" you and I had b4 Yule.

you think I can't say that shit? and didn't I just say I can ignore it when it should be?

that's all I'm gonna say or this IS going to degenerate into something counterproductive.

if he did, I didn't read it...has he ever apologized to anyone for anything ever?

hello - look in your e-mail box for photos
of critters from the Mid-East.
Sorry I have taken so ling to send u those
pictures. It will take a couple of e-mails
- unless my pictures come to you in a small
manner.
Hope u r well.

...... wtf was I talking to you or just stating my OPINION?! If you wanted to deal, then deal...

{...& stupid me, I thought we had goodwill}

and i may be forced to enforce that same strict code of coduct that has served us so well, here on this blog

so i nominate myself to be the blog infringement officer, effective immediately...

smcgee - covering up titties with raccoon hide... $450 fine
glory - trying to knock me off my perch... $1,000
cent - disagreeing with the infringement officer... that'll cost you $40,000, son
edna - fuck me - failure to trim your post... $200 and 6 months hard labour in bed with me

ok, anyone else want to suffer my wrath
well then smarten up

but I've got pretzels to untwist.

Crank, I can do this all day every day...I will not stop.

it is entirely up to you.

HaHaHa Bon Chance & I will look in "me" mail 2 -- AFTER TEA ;D

violence does happen on the rhetorical and verbal level. it may not be as serious or damaging as actual physical violence all other things being equal.

then again, no things are ever all equal.

if I got punched in the mouth once in my adult/adolescent life, or even ten times, with no serious/permanent physical damage resulting I'd probably still be better off than somebody who got repeatedly verbally insulted in their home during their formative years.

what goes to the "battle" b4 Yule is this. i appreciated what you said about different people's dna and compromise and how everybody still has a moral responsibility to come correct and at least believe/support the "right" thing(s) even when it's not convenient.

all the rest of us ask of you (i.e, you-all, which includes the "you" that you have portrayed here) is that you don't talk about not talking but instead doing. if you are going to do, go do. don't talk about doing and not talking to delegitimate other people's concerns.

and either appreciate/acknowledge diversity or don't.

worked out between you and me then, mr. infringement officer sir.

which is gonna hurt you more than it does me.

----
I suppose I could pay you in beads. And you wouldn't even have to show me nuthin. Curses.

----
btw, bbk : P is based on a concept stolen from a/o, so I already owe you royalties.

Oy! You may as well be Citi.

are all a certain sign & we "take sides" {kinda hahaha} (unless Crank B is the same as my "distant" husband's hahaha)
{yet we all have MANY signs & planets & stars within, so that & a "cup of coffee" will buy you a cup of coffee {or tea giggle}

BUT We are here in Sederville, so oneday we should get along... 4 we r brilliant {kinda} :D

I have suggested that we pull back from our myopic view of the world and think globally.

I try to read everyone's posts or at least the links that they post. I am dissapointed that Tonid doesn't read Nora's posts. I think That some people need to take a rest and stop bombarding this open forum with useless local politics.

There is a game going here about who is more valid or on the money. I have posted what I thought was current and politically acceptable and gotten no response. Why don't we all change our nics and start fresh and prove our worth with a discussion based on a desire to be good citizens?
In the Mean times (lately the town seems awfully mean) I I give up on trying to be part of this circular firing squad . I will miss some of those that are coming from a vulnerable point of love and friendship.
I do know that when one is not flexible intellectually they get physical manifestations of that stiffness.
Now there is one less player and those that need to dominate can feel more powerful and give themselves a better grade on their imaginary score card.

ASKING ALL OF YOU TO "DO SOMETHING!" -- whether just E-PETITIONING...
WE ARE ALL NEEDED! I HAVE DECIDED TO DO & DID SINCE I WAS 13/14 ... BUT I SAID THAT HERE MANY TIMES B4.
TIME IS FLEETING ... THIS IS CODE 3 FOR THE EARTH ... this was said in the 60s/70s to the 80s so just say'n NO MORE TIME. NOW WHAT? I DID. YOUR TURN. Tag You're It!

I have TOOK over things, wrote many other things, lead MANY ISSUES in The 80s in LA ... B4 The Massive Kewl NET!!!!
One does not have to get as "physical" as I did and as was done to me! ... WE ARE ALL NEEDED - IN ALL WAYS ... To Save Our Planet & to be kind to other oneday planet visits...

{gotta people watch & have some tea}

"Do Me - BelBivDevoe" by Richard Cheese....-

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Would you suggest everyone have plastic surgery in a "real world" political group when there are internecine conflicts?

I hear ya, but still.

Besides, the differences going on here are real AND political.

Don't leave. Don't get involved if you don't want to. Just post the kind of stuff you want to read. If enough people do that, you will all drown us, and them, out.

But, everyone, stop scolding.

It’s difficult to grab the public’s attention during a political protest because most such gatherings are uninspired. Oftentimes, participants hoist cardboard signs. There may be a chant or two. Penned inside city-approved cages, citizens rarely slow their gait when passing such a non-spectacle.

Then, there are the times protesters use brilliant displays of creativity and passion– not just to make a point in that moment — but to take a stand for all time and become legends.
...

http://trueslant.com/allisonkilkenny/2010/02/16/creative-political-prote...

"I have toke over things." (teehee)

By Scott Ritter

...
Fears about a phantom Iranian nuclear weapon would have dissipated, and with it the illogical U.S. insistence on ballistic missile defense initiatives that have fatally undermined the current round of U.S.-Russian arms control negotiations. Had the Obama administration remained consistent with its September 2009 decision to terminate the controversial Bush-era missile defense plan involving the stationing of interceptor missiles and radar systems in Poland and the Czech Republic, there would be a START treaty today. But the sleight-of-hand approach, in which one program was terminated only to be replaced by another, triggered concerns among Russian military leaders about the real policy objectives of the Obama administration.

The administration has demonstrated that, for all the noble intent and objectives in the arena of arms control and nonproliferation exhibited at its inception, it too is susceptible to the addiction to nuclear weapons that has plagued America since 1945. This addiction, which feeds the notion of the United States’ self-appointed status of global savior and policeman, prevents any policy formulation that is perceived to weaken or undermine America’s nuclear supremacy. At a time when the world needed American leadership in the field of disarmament and nonproliferation, it instead got nothing but a replay of past policy, wrapped in the paranoid delusions of a nation that is unable or unwilling to come to grips with reality. Genuine international security is derived not from any nation, even the United States, seeking to impose deterrence-based policies through nuclear supremacy. True security comes from a world free of nuclear weapons.

To secure America, a president must have the courage to dismantle what, in the past, has been proclaimed as the foundation of our survival, but in reality presents us with the seeds of our destruction—nuclear weapons. President Obama had articulated such a vision in his groundbreaking speech in Prague back in April 2009. Since that time the United States has embarked on arms control and nonproliferation policies that have not only failed to move America and the world further down the path of peace and security, but actually made matters worse.

Policies must be judged not by their intent but their results. In this, the Obama administration’s policies represent an abysmal failure. The administration seeks to place the blame for these failures elsewhere, on Iran, China, Russia and North Korea. But the root cause of such failure lies with the utter lack of courage and conviction on the part of Barack Obama. He claimed to possess a vision of a world free of nuclear weapons, only to succumb to the same hubris and avarice that afflicted past U.S. presidents when tempted by the world supremacy that nuclear weapons promise.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_end_of_obamas_vision_of_a_nuke_f...

... I agree with Glory...Taozen

{it toke my breath away ... hahaha I died when saw & already changed hahaha;}

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_information_super-sewer_20100214...

Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 8:48am.

... toniD I do apologize, but part of being part the solution is not being part of the problem. Crank and Fernando distract from the discussion of possible solutions with abuse to cover their own asses and stay in their own comfort zones. That is a BIG part of the problem HERE.

When somebody is in a bar-room brawl, I got no problem with him acting like it if that is what comes naturally and he is on the the right side. And the rest of you boys in that 3 on 1 fight barely even give the respect that is supposed to be behind political correctness a nod--ever.

cent is not the one who talks about putting tape over women's mouths or "drilling down to it."

Fernando, you can't justify some wars (for your convenience)and then say "good people don't shoot people." Make up your goddamn mind and stop acting crazy! It's not going to protect you anymore. It's not going to protect you from having your insults and threats recognized for what they are...

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Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 10:46am.

... But, everyone, stop scolding.

;)

http://rock-hard.do.am/Beatles/05-IllFollowTheSun.mp3

I was calling out.

And dissing.

And reading.

For cause.

And accurately.

I don't get confused about the difference, unlike some.

Didn't Ritter get popped (entrapped!) recently for soliciting a young girl?

Yes. It's happened before (of course you probably know). Entrapment is a relative term. Still sad.

I wouldn't say "sad" if the girls were any younger. Or if we learned he was doing it in the place that it was going to get the girl stoned to death (or whatever).

And yes, he does certainly seem to know his shit in the relevant area.

we only post things on-thread-subject like all the other blogs

"Bye, Bye Baby" by Janis Jopli....-

I often feel ignored, that I have no impact etc. I know it is an illusion [ I forgot to check if my surf wave - roof collapse - nora as cia plant - post caught anything ] [there really is a nora.cia facebook page] [no it's not an illusion a tells me, I am ignored][well that was two years ago]

The medium is not set up for that kind of response to everything that catches ones thought. I do make an effort to respond when someone makes the effort to write original words. [taozen, nice post above]

An interesting observation is that I don't see nora asking for any help, or engaging in endless repartee. She just does what she does. [gender is hard to tell just from the words]

I could go on there is lots of interesting dynamics going on here, and everywhere.

Blue Roots Radio

And that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about in this area...

is one way that power silences those who challenge them. Drugs and sex related charges. (Ritter is still wtiting articles...What usually happens is that media outlets will close up on you when accused. Anyway, I should check out the quality of the recent charge against Ritter.

February 9th, 2010
By David Goldman

Dollar-denominated risk assets, including asset-backed securities and corporates, are no longer wanted at the State Administration of Foreign Exchange (SAFE), nor at China’s large commercial banks. The Chinese government has ordered its reserve managers to divest itself of riskier securities and hold only Treasuries and US agency debt with an implicit or explicit government guarantee. This already has been communicated to American securities dealers, according to market participants with direct knowledge of the events.

http://blog.atimes.net/?p=1352

and as far as I've seen, he never denies the charges--just points out their convenient timing.

That's my impression--something I noticed particularly while I was looking. I will of course now look for links and I will be happy to admit it if I am wrong.

Be back asap, inasmuch as "the traffic will allow."

;)

From a seemingly trustworthy source.

I am still reading the linked documents myself.

Does say 01 charge was dismissed.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/1/14/224741/027

-Submitted by Leah on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 11:26am.-

Oh, I was not scolding there dr...

Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 11:12am.

I was calling out.

And dissing.

And reading.

For cause.

And accurately.

I don't get confused about the difference, unlike some.

______________

We disagree.

It's a remarkable phenomenon, gloryoski, which may astonish you to learn, but what you consider "calling out" is predicated (wholly) upon your fervent perspectivalist belief that you're right.

Self-righteous justification, like yours, finds no better outlet than scolding. You prefer to label it "calling out". Makes you feel better about yourself, go for it.

It sounds like scolding to anyone else that don't happen to agree w/you. (Perhaps you've yet to consider the possibility that not everyone agrees w/you?)

Also, as long as we're on the subject, it may also astonish you to learn that cent uses homophobic terms such as "butt boy" (and don't forget the misogynistic terms of "abuse" he's also fond of when mad!) to describe Crank and Fernando. (B/c cent reverts, apparently, to junior high when he's angry and imbalanced.)

And you, gloryoski, deign not to notice, but rather scold, er, (excuse me) "call out" whomever it is you are calling out about "drilling down to it". By your rules, you see, I'ma calling you out, tho' I'm quite comfortable if you wish to call it scolding when someone else does it. It seems appropriate from you.

Look, I get that you heart cent. What'd be nice is if you'd be a little consistent. If you wanna scold, er, call out whomever the taping mouths person is, perhaps the least you could do is not use cent as the poster boy of yer "at least cent doesn't" antithesis.

cent, when mad, often resembles yer most scold-worthy remarks.

I guess you ain't noticed.

Also, for the record, not that you or anyone is axed or wants to know, but I personally think Crank has been rude to nora. Often. I don't pretend to know or unnerstand why nora sends him over the rainbow like she do. I also think, fwiw, that nora is wrong a lot. I mean a whole lot.

One don't justify the other, but then, by your rules, Crank is merely calling out nora, ain't he?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...

"Intelligent discontent is the mainspring of civilization.
Progress is born of agitation. It is agitation or stagnation."

Eugene V. Debs

Born November 5, 1855

is to stop scolding about blog fighting.

I get that people don't agree with me. That's where fighting usually comes from. Sometimes there is a "righter" side and a "wronger" side of a fight. Of course we can always fight about who that is.

All the trash and bullshit about cent...I've covered it. So has he.

cent is my friend because I agree with him most of the time (not the other way around). And when we don't agree, he doesn't use violent imagery and abusive behavior to try to scare and silence me. Another reason he's my friend.

Drilling down and mouth taping were both your good buddy's "witticisms."

I am done for now if you are. There IS more important stuff going on.

If not...

I read the fight that took place last night. What I liked was how the Australian came in and just shut shit down and spanked everyone. lol :D

That was pretty funny I think.

[we're in tune a, was writing this about the same time as yours]
==========================
Cheney -- international criminal on the lose
Submitted by nora on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 10:57pm.

Yesterday I was puzzled by Bob Schieffer of Face The Nation spending so much time questioning current V.P. Biden about ex-president-of-vice Cheney's opinions/confessions(!) on torture and Cheney's charges against the Dem administration. Why give Cheney's twisted torture arguments and Global War on Terror Chicken Little tantrums any more validity than they have already garnered in America?, as if torture were just an opinion and not an obvious crime. Was Schieffer trying to clarify whether or not there are differences between the the Obama Adminstration and the Bush Administration? Whatever the overall goal of that line of questions, it was sickening to see Cheney and his sick words given any more exposure.
================================
Why doesn't Cheney get grilled in that way.

On morning Joe this am, Joe is trying to keep everybody in line, no talk overs when the guest ignors the question and starts to spout spam. What caught my eye is the need to clean the fingerprints off the desk more often.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
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Blue Roots Radio

I thought this was really good
Submitted by Bob26003 on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 11:38am.

Bill Maher on the Tea Baggers Pining for the 1950s...a great time to be male and white

"For too long Puerto Rican women have had their boot on the neck of the white man..."

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

in here. WOW!!! Chill out folks....it's all going to happen to you.

Enjoy the ride.

Hi David....great to read ya. Are you well?

PD

nice to see a peek
: )

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 11:49am.

... All the trash and bullshit about cent...I've covered it. So has he.

cent is my friend because I agree with him most of the time (not the other way around). And when we don't agree, he doesn't use violent imagery and abusive behavior to try to scare and silence me. Another reason he's my friend.

Drilling down and mouth taping were both your good buddy's "witticisms." ...

________________

re: cent

Trying not to be uncharitable here. Is you saying so long's cent uses misogynistic and homophobic slurs to insult *other people* (i.e. not you), you're fine w/it? Is that what you're saying? B/c you (pointedly) didn't address the issue apart from saying that cent does not say those slurs to you. (Yay you!) But he pointedly does say those slurs to other people. You gotta problem w/it w/other peoples but not w/cent b/c he don't direct his fire at you?

Do you see any inconsistency there? (Maybe you can call yerself out!)

Far's "my buddy" referenced above, I don't know who or what yer talking about. Will sez this: you are making assumptions about who "my buddy" is.

Just as you made assumptions about the supposed 3-on-1 "fight" (which is rather a juvenile way of looking at it, imo).

Look, I speak for myself. Crank speaks for himself. Fernando speaks for himself. You speak for yourself. And cent speaks for himself.

People disagree. We is all big boys and big girls (just not both at the same time) and we oughtta be accountable for our own statements w/o trying to implicate, say, gloryoski for, say, cent's language, unless you, gloryoski, after bein' extended the courtesy of having been axed (what I'ma doin' right now!) whether you endorse it or not.

Then you can feel free to league peoples together in yer little cliques you got establisht in yer mind.

That seems fair.

He's actually talking sense today (and not repeating himself).

(Of course, that's only my p-word.)

(Which is a word I never use because it is blasphemy in my bible.)

Submitted by Peter Dragon on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 12:08pm.

Peeking in and I see you guys are STILL fighting in here. WOW!!! Chill out folks....it's all going to happen to you.

Enjoy the ride.

Hi David....great to read ya. Are you well?

PD

___________________

Ahoy, Peter. Am well. Just back from Panama. Many strange 'n curious 'n wunnerful 'n horrific sights 'n sounds 'n smells 'n tastes 'n touches was had. Headin' back to the frozen north shortly, then on to Bellingham 'n the ferry further north yet.

How'z'bout you? What's new in yer world?

http://www.aidtoisrael.org/

-

Lawdy it was hot!

I don't like that language.

It IS also important to me who is using it, to whom and why (or with what provocation).

That's a more nuanced way of looking at language one might "scold" about. (This is not a concept that originates with me. I am sure if you rack your brain you can think of some other examples.)

It's also more nuanced than stereotyping your enemies in a facile way.

It's also less disingenuous than bullshitting about who ones friends are and are not. (Although, of course, it's strategically "brilliant" to do so.)

I am still done now if you are done. There ARE more important things going on the world.

If not...

Well 2010 is here, a.k.a. the International Year of Biodiversity, and to us at the SCQ, it means that we're finally ready to go ahead with our long awaited phylomon project. “What is this?” you ask? Well, it's an online initiative aimed at creating a Pokemon card type resource but with real creatures on display in full “character design” wonder. Not only that - but we plan to have the scientific community weigh in to determine the content on such cards (note that the cards above are only a mock-up of what that content might be), as well as folks who love gaming to try and design interesting ways to use the cards. Then to top it all off, members of the teacher community will participate to see whether these cards have educational merit. Best of all, the hope is that this will all occur in a non-commercial-open-access-open-source-because-basically-this-is-good-for-you-your-children-and-your-planet sort of way.

Why are we doing this?

Well, it was conservationist Andrew Balmford's letter (Why Conservationists Should Heed Pokemon, Science. 2002 Mar 29;295(5564):2367.), published in Science, that provided the proverbial kick in the pants. Essentially, he did this eye opening study to show that children as young as eight had the remarkable ability to identify and characterize upwards of 120 different Pokemon characters. However, when the same rubric was applied using photos of “real” flora and fauna (animals and plants that lived in the children's back yards) the results were simply horrendous.

More here: http://phylomon.org/

As I think I implied before dr

Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 12:27pm.

I don't like that language.

It IS also important to me who is using it, to whom and why (or with what provocation).

That's a more nuanced way of looking at language one might "scold" about.

It's also more nuanced than stereotyping your enemies in a facile way.

It's also less disingenuous than bullshitting about who ones friends are and are not. (Although, of course, it's strategically "brilliant" to do so.)

I am still done now if you are done. There ARE more important things going on the world.

If not...

_____________

fwiw, I think you use "nuanced" where you actually mean self-deceptive. It's understandable when you don't wish to concede a transparent point b/c it'd embarrass yer off-kilter (only when mad!) friend.

Glory is loyal beyond reason. Good to know.

re: "my buddy"

Can you cut the bullshit? For just a moment? Is that possible?

I'm not a mind-reader and I don't know who you are claiming "my buddy" is. I also don't know the nature of the "taping" or "drill down" charges (nor its blessed "nuance", if any).

I could, if I were of your apparent ilk, gloryoski, *assume* you meant either Crank or Fernando, tho' I still couldn't be sure who it was you meant.

Not wishing to impugn someone w/o the courtesy of actually knowing what I'm (or you're) talking about, all things considered, specially since I have no idea which, if either of them you might mean:

Could you extend me the fucking courtesy, gloryoski, as a deep personal favor, of explaining what the fuck you mean instead of being pissily passive-aggressive and complimenting me on my strategic "brilliance" and letting slip all manner of elliptical and thinly veiled insults.

It'd be greatly appreciated if you could find it in yer heart to do that.

Man, Fernando, that looks fucking delicious. Me wantee!

This blog is fun. It's why I come. This recent kerfluffle is, frankly, hilarious. The animosity makes it even more comical.

Did all this really start over a nora post? Or, did it start over a Crank Bait reaction to a nora post? Does it matter?

No.

Is far as I'm concerned, those occurrences are like battles between immortals: so established, timeless and irreconcilable, so as to be beyond my ability to process as a mere human meatsack.

When I'm on my deathbed Crank and nora will be somewhere up in the ether making thunder and lightning, causing earthquakes and floods and scattering the tiny villagers every now and then in the turmoil.

So it is written. In the unwritten blog rules.

We can only chronicle such wonders, we can never affect them.

"this machine kills fascists"

Crank Bait said those things.

I will find links.

"Drilling-down" implication also in the ear of the hearer AND her/his experience with the speaker. Another example of what I am saying above.

You want to say there's one objectively "reasonable" standard of behavior and language for every person at every time--be my guest.

Of course you will now deny you are saying that.

a man in a boat 60th.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

ego is very happy with this.

I love you all...

I bought a house on a hill with a great view. Panama? Hey now!

How was the muta if ya don't mind my asking?

PD

first I pictured Jesus, then I remembered that's a euphemism for clitoris...then I pictured Jesus as a clitoris...all downhill from there...LOL!

"this machine kills fascists"

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbenet

Blue Roots Radio

Well I was always
the last to follow
and I made it a point to be the first to laugh

You know that kind of cool
Is kind of cold and hollow
And you can write that on my epitaph.

--Ferron (suck on it)

-

Not Jeebuzz.

No problem dr

Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 12:53pm.

Crank Bait said those things.

________________

Now yer cookin'. Thank you.

Won't disavow that I like Crank. I do. I think he's funny and intelligent and as much as a person can know another w/o never meetin', I expect he's prolly a purty good shit.

Now, that said, I will repeat:

I think Crank's been rude to nora. Can say it w/o qualification. Don't know why nora sends him over the deep end but she do.

Again, I will repeat: The fact that nora is annoyingly wrong and/or talking about things she hasn't the first clue about don't make Crank's rudeness right, and it ain't a justification.

But will also sez: I ain't the one to scold or call out here, b/c, based on yer rules, glory, Crank definitely is calling out nora. That's what he's doin'. In the process, he has, at times, devolved into rudeness.

What I don't get about the rudeness (i.e. labels like "moron", etc.) by Crank is it don't appear to be inspired by any reciprocity from nora. She just kinda flits about and does her thing. Personally, I ignore her posts. Some people find my bullshit folksy writin' style annoying. I get it. I find her EMPHATIC shouting off-putting, but that's my problem.

Now there are peoples who can get under yer skin if you let them, but what surprises me in the Crank case (ha-ha, pun, oh, never mind) is, unless I is missed it, which is entirely possible, I ain't aware of any barbs comin' from nora that would inspire the rudeness.

So that's what I gots to sez on that.

re: the "taping" and "drilling down" bit

Hope you'll forgive me, but I ain't exactly disposed to take yer word for things. It's possible you have mischaracterized things (either inadvertently or b/c blinded by dislike for Crank), it's possible the bits were said in jokes and you are being humorless b/c you dislike Crank. It's possible, but unlikely, imo, that Crank said something truly misogynistic w/malice in his heart.

Now, you can axe yerself at this point, gloryoski -- if you care to exercise some fairness inna similar parallel -- does cent have malice in his heart b/c he uses misogynistic and homophobic slurs in his epithets? (But against people you don't like!)

fwiw, no, I don't think cent is either misogynistic or homophobic just b/c cent uses the slurs he does when he's mad. I suspect cent is just yer garden-variety unreconstructed epithet-hurler who posts before he thinks when he's spitting mad.

These slurs is the kinda thing many of us learn when yer an impressionable kid and spend the rest of yer life unlearning, but they slips when a person w/poor impulse-control (go Janeane!) is vulnerable (like, say, when yer inna blind rage!)

Now that's the most charitable, and imo, accurate estimation for why cent uses the slurs he does when he does.

So.

If you wanna go to the trouble of actually dredging up what Crank wrote, I will give you my impression w/o restraint and let you know whether I think you are being fair or not (as will everyone else, so I think it'sa valuable exercise).

If you don't, then don't. But as for me, given what I've seen of yer performance on this blog, you can calls me *purty* skeptical of the charge till proven.

(And you might review yer bit on "nuanced". It might prove useful should you elect to undertake the assignment. Unless of course "nuance" only works when you use it.)

On you, now.

Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 12:58pm.
..."Drilling-down" implication also in the ear of the hearer AND her/his experience with the speaker...
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[Making notes to self]

Eliminate the following from vocabulary to suit politically-correct sensibilities:

drill
ball
insert
lay
disseminate
poke
ram
climax
couple
birds
bees
storks
cabbage

somebody (not Somebody) find the Hairy Ham-Fisted fella, and start talking biofuels.

We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
And the machine is bleeding to death

Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 12:58pm.

... You want to say there's one objectively "reasonable" standard of behavior and language for every person at every time--be my guest.

Of course you will now deny you are saying that.

_______________

Wow.

Not only do you know what I'ma thinking, you know what I'ma gonna say *and* how I'll fake ever'one out by *not even* saying it.

Boy, I'ma purty clever fellow. I guess I haz to be w/a mind-readin' super-sleuth truth-to-power-teller like you on mah trail!

(btw, do you ever tire of being this presumptuously and irritatingly supercilious?)

:D :D :D :D

The Bastard Dane!
Delighted (and relieved) to see you here again!

I thought I'd seen it all, but I never expected to see conniptions over yachting hereabouts.

Duct Tape:

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/5634#comment-393262

Drilling (more about violence than sex here, IMO):

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/5654#comment-395365

I'm out of here. Out of respect for some. Not you three. (Don't pretend you don't know who are.)

You're boring me. Go on and tell me it's because I'm retarded again, Bait. I'll just yawn.

Mme. Chew.

:-)

We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
And the machine is bleeding to death

Quick,
Submitted by The Bastard Dane on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 1:35pm.

somebody (not Somebody) find the Hairy Ham-Fisted fella, and start talking biofuels.

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"...and start talking biofuels."
new
Submitted by Cat Chew on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 1:41pm.

:D :D :D :D

The Bastard Dane!
Delighted (and relieved) to see you here again!

__________________

Chew's welcome reminded me to axe you:

Is you the English Opium Eater of yore?

If so, howdy, how the hell you been?

If not, who the hell are you?

I used to be "waits", if you asked ono. I was marking time for Marcus Tullius.

We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
And the machine is bleeding to death

bbl

Many blessings, Mme. Chew, dr, Bait, et all.

We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
And the machine is bleeding to death

Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 1:47pm.

Duct Tape:

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/5634#comment-393262

Drilling (more about violence than sex here, IMO):

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/5654#comment-395365

_________________

Here, for the curious, are the two "charges" gloryoski is leveling at Crank. Judge for yourself:

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Somebody Find The Duct Tape
Submitted by Crank Bait on Wed, 02/03/2010 - 12:26am.

Barf me out, Rachel, seriously...
Submitted by gloryoski on Tue, 02/02/2010 - 11:48pm.
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Take 400 milligrams of ibuprofen. The fever is making you delirious.

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Let's Drill Down To It
Submitted by Crank Bait on Sun, 02/14/2010 - 9:51pm.

Submitted by nora on Sun, 02/14/2010 - 8:56pm.
So sorry I offended him. I didn't realize Crank owned a yacht -- either in reality or vicariously in his less than progressive dreams.
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What a coincidence; I didn't realize you owned a brain.

And so, as it turns out, I don't own a yacht and you don't own a brain.

All is as before. I remain devoted to accuracy while you manufacture opinions out of whole cloth.

Would you care to retract the foolishness you stated about Ellison disembarking prior to the race, or do you prefer to stand on your steaming pile of fact-free and feckless shit?

______________________

Well, now, this WAS valuable, gloryoski.

So, this is it, right, glory? This is the sum of alla yer fears re: Crank and his supposed misogyny. This is the basis for your little vendetta?

This is, imo, some really fucking weak tea, glory. Really weak.

So weak that you've proven to my satisfaction, by being willing to go to the mat w/this example of Crank's perfidy (yer revelation is like Geraldo Rivera uncovering his hidden fucking vault), that yer judgment, again, imo, is only to be trusted [once it's] been verified.

You wanna break hard on Crank for being rude, you go right ahead. I will second you w/the full knowledge that, one, it's true, and two, I'm guilty of the same goddamn offense myself a-times.

But alla yer other charges in this realm: I call bullshit.

And not just call bullshit, but say, to you, that it's perfectly fine to go after someone for something they're actually guilty of, but to invent bullshit charges just b/c you gotta fuckin' thin skin is purty cold and purty shitty.

But, ever' juicy rationalization ain't never found wanting for its sunny justification, so I'm sure you'll figger sumpin' out.

Now thet wuz a foight...

Do you have any idea how long it takes me to look up the damn words you fucks use? I aint got all day. Simple words work too. Not all of us are blessed with your f'n vocabularies.

And he's constantly shitting on me every time I miss a freaking semi-colon. It's just not right even if it did make me write gooder.

"Joy lies in the fight, in the attempt, in the suffering involved, not in the victory itself."

Submitted by Fernando on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 2:10pm.
...he's constantly shitting on me every time I miss a freaking semi-colon...
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It should be obvious by now: I hate women AND Mexicans.

Senate Quartet Urges Reid To Pass Public Plan Via Reconciliation

Four senators have signed a letter urging Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to pass a public option for insurance coverage through the use of reconciliation.

The list of signatories includes both usual and somewhat unusual suspects, from the progressive wing of the party -- Sens. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), and Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) -- to less ideological lawmakers who find themselves in primary election contests -- Sens. Michael Bennet (D-Col.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.).

"Dear Leader Reid," the letter says:

We respectfully ask that you bring for a vote before the full Senate a public health insurance option under budget reconciliation rules.

There are four fundamental reasons why we support this approach - its potential for billions of dollars in cost savings; the growing need to increase competition and lower costs for the consumer; the history of using reconciliation for significant pieces of health care legislation; and the continued public support for a public option.

The petition is part of a larger effort by a coalition of progressive groups to rally Democratic lawmakers around the idea of passing a government run health insurance option through a parliamentary maneuver that would allow an up-or-down vote.

The Progressive Change Campaign Committee, Democracy for America and Credo -- a socially-conscious business -- have already secured the signatures of 119 House Democratic lawmakers for the late-stage public option push. The progressive advocacy group MoveOn.org also has emailed constituents asking them to push their representatives to co-sign the petition.

The effort is an uphill one. There is little reported willingness among Democratic leadership to reenter the public option battle. And while using reconciliation would allow the policy to be made law by majority vote, there is an open debate as to how strong of a public plan can be passed this way.
Story continues below

"Senator Reid remains a strong supporter of the public option, but it's always a question of where the votes are," said Reid spokesman Jim Manley in a statement to HuffPost.

The popularity of the idea, nevertheless, remains relatively high. As the letter to Reid notes, the most recent CBS/New York Times poll shows that the public option is supported by 59 percent of respondents and opposed by just 29 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/16/senate-quartet-urges-reid_n_464...

toniD's Ya Think?

Clever!

toniD's Ya Think?

You can dance to it.

Happy Mardi Gras!

Roger Ebert: The Essential Man. Read this article!

And, follow his Twitter feed, too. It's worth it in more ways that I can express.

A quote in this article:

"Ebert is dying in increments, and he is aware of it."

Ebert's response on Twitter:

"I'm physically feeling tip-top these days. It's true I'm dying--but no faster than anyone else."

"this machine kills fascists"

Conservative Is Not Opposite Liberal: That's Totalitarianism
Timothy Ferris
Posted: February 16, 2010 10:48 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-ferris/conservative-is-not-oppos_b...

"No experiment can be more interesting than that we are now trying," wrote Thomas Jefferson in 1804, "and which we trust will end in establishing the fact, that man may be governed by reason and truth."

toniD's Ya Think?

That's always been my definition...

nothing wrong with that, too bad today's conservatives have lost sight of that.

Progressives point out that tradition is flawed and often contra human and civil rights

Therein is where the debate should take place...

"this machine kills fascists"

-

dr, I'm just getting old and laying low.

Submitted by Peter Dragon on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 1:00pm.

I bought a house on a hill with a great view. Panama? Hey now!

How was the muta if ya don't mind my asking?

PD

____________

Sorry for late reply.

Congrats on the house, btw, PD. Seems I recall hearin' tell of it.

Muta were available ('long w/other stuff), but it warn't near near so fine as the gang a five Swedish touristical doctors-to-be I met on the San Blas Islands. Playin' Circle a Death (drinkin' game) ain't never been so much fun.

Brains 'n beauty sure is a bewitchin' combo.

p.s. When we's on the Bayano R. down Coquina way, we met the jefe of the policia 'n he let us camp out in their cop-shop 'n give us the run of the amenities. Nicest cop I is ever met, fwiw. Tried to get him to let us use his barco, but he tolt us no on account of it were too peligroso.

(They does drug interdiction on the coke runners from Columbia, so the sorceror's apprentice is bizy haulin' buckets ever'wheres, seems.)

Some traditions need to be respected.

Others, not so much.

"this machine kills fascists"

"this machine kills fascists"

I just want to pet them. It doesn't matter that they are two different colors but the green one is bigger.

Black-Throated Tit

Submitted by 60th Street on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 3:40pm.

______________

Mebbe he was axin' to see yer tufted tit-mouse?

(When I's in New Orleans at Mardi Gras in '92, I b'lieves (takin' a break from my six-year four-year under-gradjit slog, me), I found out the "Show yer ..." worked in the good-fer-the-goose-good-fer-the-gander sense.

"Show yer dick! Show yer dick!"

Whatever become a them beads, I wonders?

Green-backed Tit
Submitted by 60th Street on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 3:44pm.
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a/k/a surgically enhanced tit.

**

Missing Persons - Words

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

MMRules

"Happy birthday to Sarah Palin. I hear
John McCain bought her a Toyota.

-- Letterman

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

MMRules

always messing with a perfectly good tradition.

Showing off their North American Peckers

Former Liberian dictator, on trial for war crimes, implicates U.S. con man Pat Robertson.

As reported by Foreign Policy, former Liberian dictator Charles Taylor has implicated U.S. con man Pat Robertson as being complicit in war crimes carried out by Taylor.

Former Liberian President Charles Taylor, testifying in his own war crimes trial today, said that the American conservative evangelist Pat Robertson was awarded a Liberian gold-mining concession in 1999 and subsequently offered to lobby the Bush administration to support his government.

The revelations came in the midst of a U.N.-backed trial of Taylor at The Hague on 11 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity during Sierra Leone’s 1990s civil war. Taylor is accused of directing a Sierra Leone rebel group, the United Revolutionary Front (RUF), in a campaign aimed at securing access to the country’s diamond mines. The rebel movement stands accused of committing mass atrocities in the late 1990s in the West African country, including the mutilation of thousands of civilians.

The international prosecutors contend that Taylor offered concessions to Western individuals in exchange for lobbying work aimed at enhancing his image in the United States. The prosecution maintains that Taylor also spent $2.6 million on lobbying firms and public relations outfits in the hopes of influencing the policies of former President Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. more...

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/29911

toniD's Ya Think?

Sorry,if posted before..

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Big Pharma's firing of Billy Tauzin hardly seems fair, after all the damage he did to Obama and healthcare reform

By Joe Conason

Billy Tauzin, Washington's epitome of the legislator-turned-lobbyist, resigned from his job as PhRMA’s chief hustler this week. According to the New York Times, Tauzin surrendered his lavish expense account and $2 million salary because his bosses in the pharmaceutical industry believed he had somehow failed to safeguard their interests sufficiently while killing real healthcare reform. So he has gone off to pursue other interests, as they always say, but let us note that his firing reeks of ingratitude. Not only did Tauzin protect the industry from hundreds of billions of dollars in potential cost savings for consumers and taxpayers, but he managed to draw the Obama White House (meaning chief of staff Rahm Emanuel and his deputy Jim Messina) into a deal that discredited the reform effort -- and damaged the president's own reputation.

Con't..

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2010/02/12/druglobby/

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

MMRules

Have a stop on the way. A man I worked with died of cancer and I'm stopping at the funeral home. Wonderful man. Great to work with. He was 77.

Try to have a great afternoon.

Later

toniD's Ya Think?

Have a stop on the way. A man I worked with died of cancer and I'm stopping at the funeral home. Wonderful man. Great to work with. He was 77.

Try to have a great afternoon.

Later

toniD's Ya Think?

section in today's paper!

And I'll be on the Newsmaker of the Day segments on the disgusting right wing radio station tomorrow morning at 645, 745 and 845 am... weee! :)

Allow me...